Broncos at Bills Sunday 1pm (confirmed)

[SoCal Deek]

24 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Sean McDermott is one game under .500 in his postseason career.

Andy Reid was one game over .500 in his postseason career in Philly.

Their records are absolutely comparable.

McD took his team to ONE championship game, and that was during a pandemic. Come on man! 

[Boatdrinks]

35 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re just going in circles. I cannot believe ANYONE legitimately believes that McDs playoff record compares to Reid taking the Eagles to the championship game multiple times. Lots of homerism on here today. 

As I said, I don’t love the comparison. There may not be a great one out there at the moment. We’ll see what happens. I also don’t put McD in the same tier on defense as Reid is with offense. Obviously Reid is currently light years past McDermott in terms of legacy. 

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD took his team to ONE championship game, and that was during a pandemic. Come on man! 

I don’t care that it was during a pandemic at all. 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD took his team to ONE championship game, and that was during a pandemic. Come on man! 

 

With all the byes the Eagles got, Reid had to win just one playoff game to get in the NFCCG.

With the changes in playoff formatting and being in the same conference as the Chiefs, McDermott has to win two games to get into the AFCCG.

McDermott's and Reid's postseason records in Buffalo and Philly are only two games apart relative to .500.

They are indeed comparable whether you like it or not.

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD took his team to ONE championship game, and that was during a pandemic. Come on man! 

The moniker of the game is rendered somewhat moot because the NFL changed the playoff parameters. Did it take one win to get there or 2 ? I haven’t looked into the history, but calling a 2 seed a wildcard is just a completely new ballgame. 

[Yobogoya!]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

With all the byes the Eagles got, Reid had to win just one playoff game to get in the NFCCG.

With the changes in playoff formatting and being in the same conference as the Chiefs, McDermott has to win two games to get into the AFCCG.

McDermott's and Reid's postseason records in Buffalo and Philly are only two games apart relative to .500.

They are indeed comparable whether you like it or not.

 

It annoys me to no end that the NFL not only expanded the playoff format, but erased the 2nd seed bye week JUST when the Bills started to become a perennial playoff team. 
 

How many seasons could we have had bye weeks by now? Certainly at least three. 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

The moniker of the game is rendered somewhat moot because the NFL changed the playoff parameters. Did it take one win to get there or 2 ? I haven’t looked into the history, but calling a 2 seed a wildcard is just a completely new ballgame. 

So you’re saying McD is going win multiple Super Bowls with his next team. Got it! 

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So you’re saying McD is going win multiple Super Bowls with his next team. Got it! 

 

Nobody has said anything remotely resembling that which means that at this point, you're just trolling.

[TheFunPolice]

Anyone making the case that McDermott and Reid's playoff records are similar by comparing McDermott's playoff record with Josh Allen to Reid's playoff record with guys like Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, and Jeff Garcia is not making a great case for McDermott. 

 

No disrespect to McDermott, but there's simply no comparison between him and Andy Reid, who I think is going to be known as the GOAT when he retires. 

 

Andy Reid was in the top 10 all-time in HC wins before Mahomes ever took a snap for KC. For comparison, McDermott is currently 54th on the all-time list with 86 wins. Reid is currently 4th with 273 wins, 29 behind Belichick. 

 

Reid is the all-time leader in HC wins for 2 different franchises. 

 

The knock on Reid was always "yeah, but he can't win the big one." So comparing his Eagles playoff career to McDermott's Bills playoff career doesn't make sense if you're trying to make a case for McDermott. Reid had McNabb and other assorted QBs, who were fine to good but not all time greats. McDermott has Allen, who will go down as an all time great. Not even close in terms of QB talent to work with. 

 

Now Reid has 3 SB rings as a HC. So much for that "can't win the big one" argument. 

 

What happened with Reid is he finally got his superstar QB prospect late in his career so he had a reputation as "can't win the big one" from coming up against better QB talent early in his career. Reputations get baked in early and it takes a lot to change them. 

 

It's the Brady/Manning argument all over again. 

 

Manning actually had a winning record against Brady in the playoffs (3-2) but Manning "couldn't win the big games" to many NFL fans. 

 

All the above said, the stories of all these guys' careers are still being written. McDermott can absolutely win a Super Bowl. But he has to prove he can do it. 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:45 PM by TheFunPolice

[Mikey152]

29 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Anyone making the case that McDermott and Reid's playoff records are similar by comparing McDermott's playoff record with Josh Allen to Reid's playoff record with guys like Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, and Jeff Garcia is not making a great case for McDermott. 

 

No disrespect to McDermott, but there's simply no comparison between him and Andy Reid, who I think is going to be known as the GOAT when he retires. 

 

Andy Reid was in the top 10 all-time in HC wins before Mahomes ever took a snap for KC. For comparison, McDermott is currently 54th on the all-time list with 86 wins. Reid is currently 4th with 273 wins, 29 behind Belichick. 

 

Reid is the all-time leader in HC wins for 2 different franchises. 

 

The knock on Reid was always "yeah, but he can't win the big one." So comparing his Eagles playoff career to McDermott's Bills playoff career doesn't make sense if you're trying to make a case for McDermott. Reid had McNabb and other assorted QBs, who were fine to good but not all time greats. McDermott has Allen, who will go down as an all time great. Not even close in terms of QB talent to work with. 

 

Now Reid has 3 SB rings as a HC. So much for that "can't win the big one" argument. 

 

What happened with Reid is he finally got his superstar QB prospect late in his career so he had a reputation as "can't win the big one" from coming up against better QB talent early in his career. Reputations get baked in early and it takes a lot to change them. 

 

It's the Brady/Manning argument all over again. 

 

Manning actually had a winning record against Brady in the playoffs (3-2) but Manning "couldn't win the big games" to many NFL fans. 

 

All the above said, the stories of all these guys' careers are still being written. McDermott can absolutely win a Super Bowl. But he has to prove he can do it. 

 

 

McNabb's 2004 season (the year they went to the SB) was his FIFTH probowl season in a row, and objectively very comparable to Josh's 2024 statistically and record wise. He might not have been Josh Allen, but he wasn't exactly a scrub, either.

Edited Tuesday at 10:13 PM by Mikey152

[boyst]

I need to watch more tape on the Broncos but I keep coming back to a few thoughts. These thoughts revolve around Ray Davis and a lot of pulling/traps/stunting.

 

Davis isn't the type of back who will break one outside the same way Cook could but Davis will bring physicality to hit the edges. I want to run directly at Surtain. I want to pull an OL or use the extra big guy to push the edge Surtain is on.

 

This isn't just for winning this game it is setting strategy up for the Ravens who have become one of the best pass defenses in the league since we played them.

 

Having heavy sets and showing physicality on tape for the Ravens to plan against allows us to set up these plays into deeper layered passes against Hamilton is who their single high safety generally in cover 1 or 3...which is getting ahead of this game. 

 

The Broncos have a great defense who is going to be desperate to keep Josh in the box to bring him down. Using extra protection is going to be important. They're not household names in Denver but they're every bit as good as any other defense in the playoffs we will face. A far fetched notion is Denver plays opossum to box in Josh until a blitzer is revealed to strike.

 

Bonito will be the blitzer and be moved across the field. Putting the heavy bodies against him will be critical. This is why establishing a run early and committing to it will pay off in the long run against a defense that chips away at the pocket getting coverage sacks.

 

With a healthy dose of running out backs early we set up easier pass blocking and winded defenders trying to keep up with Josh. 

[Boatdrinks]

59 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So you’re saying McD is going win multiple Super Bowls with his next team. Got it! 

With his next team ? No way anyone could possibly say that. Who’s the QB? These things matter a LOT. Just ask Andy. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

My concern is Sertain.  Look at the top end WR's he has really shut down this year, and we don't have one of that caliber.  The entire WR corp is going to have to step up. 

[MikePJ76]

9 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

McNabb's 2004 season (the year they went to the SB) was his FIFTH probowl season in a row, and objectively very comparable to Josh's 2024 statistically and record wise. He might not have been Josh Allen, but he wasn't exactly a scrub, either.

more importantly Jim Johnsons defense was a menace to the entire nfc.  Go look at the Defensive staffs in those first 5-7 years in philly.   They should have won a superbowl.  Reid made lots of time management issues and refused to run the ball for a few years.  

 

this idea that reid was the goat when he was in philly is absolutely ridiculous.  When Gibbs Parcells and Coughlin showed up in the division he lost his huge advantage he had.  they spent years building towards 04 then they lost in the superbowl.  Never really threatened to get there again except 08 and that team was not very good they just got to play a lousy giants team that self destructed after plaxico burress shot himself in a nightclub.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Nobody has said anything remotely resembling that which means that at this point, you're just trolling.

Simon….geeez! Keep your sense of humor. We’re all Bills fans here. 

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

My concern is Sertain.  Look at the top end WR's he has really shut down this year, and we don't have one of that caliber.  The entire WR corp is going to have to step up. 

He can still only cover one WR at any given time 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

McD took his team to ONE championship game, and that was during a pandemic. Come on man! 

I get your overall point but what does the pandemic have to do with it?

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I get your overall point but what does the pandemic have to do with it?

It was an odd year for everyone and everything….no? 

[oldmanfan]

I’m getting a little tired of pundits talking up Bronco things and ignoring Bills things.  Like their D line.  What about how great our O line unit has played all year?  

[Success]

How did another McDermott debate get started on this thread?

 

The man has done an outstanding job this year.  I've had sporadic doubts about him, but for the most part, our playoff shortcomings are more unlucky than anything.  With the exception of the Cincy game, the Bills have always played competitive ball in the playoffs and the losses have generally come down to a play or 2.  And usually those losses were to what many consider to be the greatest team of the past 5 years.

 

Let's have some faith. I think he's ready for a run here, and the stars seem to finally be aligning health-wise for this team.  

[Dan]

44 minutes ago, boyst said:

I need to watch more tape on the Broncos but I keep coming back to a few thoughts. These thoughts revolve around Ray Davis and a lot of pulling/traps/stunting.

 

Davis isn't the type of back who will break one outside the same way Cook could but Davis will bring physicality to hit the edges. I want to run directly at Surtain. I want to pull an OL or use the extra big guy to push the edge Surtain is on.

 

This isn't just for winning this game it is setting strategy up for the Ravens who have become one of the best pass defenses in the league since we played them.

 

Having heavy sets and showing physicality on tape for the Ravens to plan against allows us to set up these plays into deeper layered passes against Hamilton is who their single high safety generally in cover 1 or 3...which is getting ahead of this game. 

 

The Broncos have a great defense who is going to be desperate to keep Josh in the box to bring him down. Using extra protection is going to be important. They're not household names in Denver but they're every bit as good as any other defense in the playoffs we will face. A far fetched notion is Denver plays opossum to box in Josh until a blitzer is revealed to strike.

 

Bonito will be the blitzer and be moved across the field. Putting the heavy bodies against him will be critical. This is why establishing a run early and committing to it will pay off in the long run against a defense that chips away at the pocket getting coverage sacks.

 

With a healthy dose of running out backs early we set up easier pass blocking and winded defenders trying to keep up with Josh. 

Thank you for attempting to get the conversation back onto this weeks game.   
 

 

31 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

My concern is Sertain.  Look at the top end WR's he has really shut down this year, and we don't have one of that caliber.  The entire WR corp is going to have to step up. 

Are you suggesting that he is so good, he’ll single handedly shut down our entire WR core?    Which game was it….Detroit?  That they completely took Cooper out of the game.   How did that go for them?  
 

I’m not as worried about Surtain.  Let him blanket whoever he wants.  I’m more  interested, as Boyst pointed out, in using the outside run game to keep their defensive line and pass rushers too busy to T off on Josh.  Establish the run, hit the open guy quickly.  It’s a formula the Bills have done pretty effectively in many of their games.  
 

Defesively… this game should favor us.  Their strength is passing.  But… let’s just hope we don’t make their pedestrian run game look all world as they are apt to do at times. Stop the run early and force the game onto the rookies shoulders.