Broncos at Bills Sunday 1pm (confirmed)

[Cash]

1 hour ago, fergie's ire said:

Hyde was always THE returner that McD clearly trusted the most.  If things started getting squirrelly and returners were doing boneheaded things, he would put Hyde back there.  He wouldn't expect a lot of yards on a return, unless someone on the return team accidentally kicked the ball and then Hyde would pick it up and run for like 50 yards.  He was just a calming influence on the return game. 

 

Agreed.  Hyde was consistently the best "punt catcher" on the team, and also had some return ability.  When McD was most concerned about "not effing up" as opposed to "making something happen", Hyde was usually back there.

[RkFast]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

So you compare our damn good OL to the two best OL in history? Ok...

 

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Edited Tuesday at 04:07 PM by RkFast

[mannc]

13 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

Why doesn’t Shakir play more in the return game? He is dynamic in the open field. Get the ball into your best players hands as much as you can 

Keon returned punts in college…

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, RkFast said:

 

Common knowledge is that A LOT of the reason the Bills sack allowed % is so low is thanks to the legs and feet of Joshua Patrick Allen. The OL contributes to that and it is a good line but lets not pretend the Bills OL are the Hogs or the 91 Cowboys' line. 

Josh is #7 in pressure rate per PFR.  That includes Lawrence and Mac Jones so Bills OL is just outside the top 5.  Additionally, they seemed to be getting lost schematically early and gave up pressures that have since been rectified.  I know they run a lot of extra OL but they also run a lot of 5 man protection.  PFR doesnt have those stats but this is def a good pass protecting line.  

33 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Opponent win %

 

Broncos - 51%

Bills - 49%

Opponents!  Your line seems to be we havent beaten anyone.  Our Strength of Victory is 0.448 and Broncos is 0.394.  Den SoV is also boosted by that silly game against KC last week too.  Only Chargers and Commanders have lower SoV in the playoffs.  Were 6th for SoV in the playoffs but much lower with regard to SoS suggesting we beat some of the harder teams on our schedule (Lions and KC as has been pointed out to you multiple times).  

Edited Tuesday at 04:04 PM by YattaOkasan

[WNYFAN1]

21 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Strength of schedule is one thing, but I thought the Broncos had a dismal record against winning or playoff teams?

Correct, the Broncos have been bad against this year's playoff teams.

 

The Bills, by contrast, went 2-3 against this year's playoff teams.

[RkFast]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Are we watching the same games? Allen has had a ton of time to throw in majority of games

 

Josh Allen is ranked 15th in "pocket time."

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Sure, but that game was only close due to Bills turnovers. 

And dropped passes.  The Bills came out firing on all cylinders to take a 17 - 0 lead.  But even here it should have been 21 - 0 as Knox dropped a 3rd down TD pass in the end zone.  Then you had some fluky TO's and Shakir dropped what would have been a 55 yard completion late in the 2nd and the game was suddenly close.  An Allen fumble returned for a TD at the start of the 3rd quarter set the stage for a bit of a dog fight.

 

Even then the Bills had a 10 point lead going into the 4th quarter and out gained Miami in yards 423 to 231 and in 1st downs 25 to 16.

 

Weird game that's for sure.

 

[WNYFAN1]

Just now, YattaOkasan said:

Josh is #7 in pressure rate per PFR.  That includes Lawrence and Mac Jones so Bills OL is just outside the top 5.  Additionally, they seemed to be getting lost schematically early and gave up pressures that have since been rectified.  I know they run a lot of extra OL but they also run a lot of 5 man protection.  PFR doesnt have those stats but this is def a good pass protecting line.  

Opponents!  Your line seems to be we havent beaten anyone.  Our Strength of Victory is 0.448 and Broncos is 0.394.  SoV is also boosted by that silly game against KC last week too.  Only Chargers and Commanders have lower SoV in the playoffs.  Were 6th for SoV in the playoffs but much lower with regard to SoS suggesting we beat some of the harder teams on our schedule (Lions and KC as has been pointed out to you multiple times).  

Dude I'm just posting facts. Yes, the Lions and the Chiefs were GREAT wins. Our only two wins against the playoff field.

 

I guess my point is for those suggesting that the Broncos just played bottom-feeders, the Bills haven't exactly played a "murder's row" this year.

[RkFast]

1 minute ago, YattaOkasan said:

Josh is #7 in pressure rate per PFR.  That includes Lawrence and Mac Jones so Bills OL is just outside the top 5.  Additionally, they seemed to be getting lost schematically early and gave up pressures that have since been rectified.  I know they run a lot of extra OL but they also run a lot of 5 man protection.  PFR doesnt have those stats but this is def a good pass protecting line.  

 

 

Its a good pass protecting line. Im just saying you have to consider who the QB is when you asses just how good they are in pass protection.

[CincyBillsFan]

27 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Just posting facts. Bills did beat two excellent teams (Chiefs/Lions) and a TON of ***** teams this year.

And this is why "facts" can be misleading.  The Bills victories against KC and at Detroit were arguably the two best wins by any team this season.

 

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, RkFast said:

 

Josh Allen is ranked 15th in "pocket time."

I honestly don't care. I've seen the games. He has more than enough time to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball

[YattaOkasan]

6 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Dude I'm just posting facts. Yes, the Lions and the Chiefs were GREAT wins. Our only two wins against the playoff field.

 

I guess my point is for those suggesting that the Broncos just played bottom-feeders, the Bills haven't exactly played a "murder's row" this year.

Ill agree with we havent played murders row.  SoS clearly shows that we had one of the "easiest" schedules.  Theres context as always.  But I think we have a lot of good wins (> 1 TD margin) against 8-9 teams that just missed the playoffs (1st Dolphins, IND, Ari, Sea).  Common opponents also tells some of the story too.  BUF is 5-1 against and denver is 3-3 (margin of victory is +44 to +18, again DEN buoyed by silly KC game last week)  

6 minutes ago, RkFast said:

 

Its a good pass protecting line. Im just saying you have to consider who the QB is when you asses just how good they are in pass protection.

Agree.  Josh does have the lowest Pressure to Sack % in the league (a fact not discussed in the MVP chatter enough).  But he also isnt getting pressured a ton.  

Edited Tuesday at 04:16 PM by YattaOkasan

[WotAGuy]

25 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Correct, the Broncos have been bad against this year's playoff teams.

 

The Bills, by contrast, went 2-3 against this year's playoff teams.

All road losses too

[Big Turk]

28 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Correct, the Broncos have been bad against this year's playoff teams.

 

The Bills, by contrast, went 2-3 against this year's playoff teams.

 

Bills beat 2 teams who went a combined 30-1(sorry, not counting the last KC game where they essentially rolled over) against the rest of the NFL and did so in dominating fashion in both games.

[WNYFAN1]

34 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Ill agree with we havent played murders row.  SoS clearly shows that we had one of the "easiest" schedules.  Theres context as always.  But I think we have a lot of good wins (> 1 TD margin) against 8-9 teams that just missed the playoffs (1st Dolphins, IND, Ari, Sea).  Common opponents also tells some of the story too.  BUF is 5-1 against and denver is 3-3 (margin of victory is +44 to +18, again DEN buoyed by silly KC game last week)  

Agree.  Josh does have the lowest Pressure to Sack % in the league (a fact not discussed in the MVP chatter enough).  But he also isnt getting pressured a ton.  

Agreed

[Buffalo03]

38 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Dude I'm just posting facts. Yes, the Lions and the Chiefs were GREAT wins. Our only two wins against the playoff field.

 

I guess my point is for those suggesting that the Broncos just played bottom-feeders, the Bills haven't exactly played a "murder's row" this year.

Not just other playoff teams but we beat the 2 #1 seeds in the league.and have been a super bowl contender for 5 straight years. The Broncos haven't made the playoffs in 9 years before this year. The other games against bad teams don't matter. The comparison you are trying to make is apples to oranges. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. We are far and away the better team

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Not just other playoff teams but we beat the 2 #1 seeds in the league.and have been a super bowl contender for 5 straight years. The Broncos haven't made the playoffs in 9 years before this year. The other games against bad teams don't matter. The comparison you are trying to make is apples to oranges. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. We are far and away the better team

 

The point about playoff experience is real.  KC hasn't been the most talented team in the field since the Tyreek Hill years, but they keep winning because they are used to playoff pressure and are consistently the most healthy of the field. 

[Hsker4life]

1 hour ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Opponent win %

 

Broncos - 51%

Bills - 49%

Buffalo also has 3 more wins than the Broncos, giving our opponents 3 more losses.

 

More importantly, the Bills have beaten very good teams, the Broncs have not. 

 

 

 

[mbowman14]

1 hour ago, MDH said:

I keep hearing from talking heads how the Broncos are playing “really well.” In one breath they’ll tell you the Chiefs loss doesn’t concern you about the Chiefs and then say the above. 
 

How were the Broncos playing before that? Two straight losses and allowed 30+ points in both. Against Cinci the Denver offense had two chances in OT against one of the worst Ds in the league and went 3 and out both times.

 

The 2 games before that? Both Denver wins but the D allowed 500 passing yards to Jamis and allowed 150 rushing yards to the Colts while Nix had 5 INTs combined in those two games.

 

The Bills can certainly lose this game but somebody needs to do some fact checking before they tell me how well the Broncos have been playing lately.

Correct.  Also, they were a moronic Jonathan Taylor play (at home) from having their playoff control taken from them in a very meaningful game just a few weeks ago vs the Colts.

[Buffalo03]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

The point about playoff experience is real.  KC hasn't been the most talented team in the field since the Tyreek Hill years, but they keep winning because they are used to playoff pressure and are consistently the most healthy of the field. 

We gave them their only legit loss. We are the only team that has score 30 on them in like 50 games. We have had 12 games of over 30 points and I think 5 that we put up over 40 and one of those was against the number 1 seed on the NFC and another against the Rams which are a playoff team. It only makes sense to point out who the Broncos beat because they are not an elite team. They are a good up and coming team. They haven't made the playoffs in a decade. That would be like pointing our who the Chiefs have beaten after winning 3 super Bowls the last 5 years. Like come on. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:03 PM by Buffalo03