OK so who had this on their 2024 NFL Bingo card?

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

To me, the bigger shock is that the top 2 (Darnold and Baker) that were considered more pro ready and polished had to travel to a combined 8 teams to find success while the two looked at as largely flawed blossomed on their first team and have had the same HC their whole career. 

 

Oh and that at one time the Panthers had both Baker and Darnold and couldn't win with them.

 

Says a lot about how important coaching can be.

 

Did I see a tweet about Mayfield playing scout team DT for Carolina at some point that season? There is a pic out there that essentially shows us this. Crazy.

 

3 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The narrative of this class has changed.  Allen and Jackson had the most question marks pre-draft and ended up as the best out of this class.   
 

Baker and Darnold have gone from franchise QB to a QB bust back to franchise QB.

 

And then there’s Josh Rosen who most Bills fans wanted that was a complete and utter bust.  
 

Assuming that Darnold sticks in Minnesota, overall this was a really strong QB class

 

How could Minn sign Darnold to starting QB money while they have a 1st rounder they traded up (slightly) to draft at #10 who just redshirted his first year? MAYBE if Darnold accepted a "bridge" deal (which isn't super realistic) for a few years they'd let the two QBs compete for the job, but I can't see Darnold signing for less than stupid starter money. 

 

2 hours ago, MPL said:

To this day, I still don't understand why Baker Mayfield isn't the Browns QB. 

 

Terrible ownership listening to OBJ and his dad and the disgruntled fans who agreed with them (in large part due to Mayfield boldly but stupidly playing hurt all year...same shoulder injury and harness that Allen also played through with mixed, at best, results)

 

Edited Monday at 04:23 AM by Richard Noggin

[JohnNord]

Just now, Richard Noggin said:

 

Did I see a tweet about Mayfield playing scout team DT for Carolina at some point that season? There is a pic out there that essentially shows us this. Crazy.

 

 

How could Minn sign Darnold to starting QB money while they have a 1st rounder they traded up (slightly) to draft at #10 who just redshirted his first year? MAYBE if Darnold accepted a "bridge" deal (which isn't super realistic) for a few years they'd let the two QBs compete for the job, but I can't see Darnold signing for less than stupid starter money. 

 

 

Terrible ownership listening to OBJ and his dad and the disgruntled fans who agreed with them. 

 

That is their dilemma.  The rumor is that they might trade JJ.  Minnesota loves Darnold and wants him back but also knows they have a rookie QB.  
 

Darnold won’t sign a bridge deal when he can be making way more money elsewhere 

[Richard Noggin]

Just now, JohnNord said:

That is their dilemma.  The rumor is that they might trade JJ.  Minnesota loves Darnold and wants him back but also knows they have a rookie QB.  
 

Darnold won’t sign a bridge deal when he can be making way more money elsewhere 

 

I have not heard this trade rumor. Also, I don't frequent online places where rumors are shared (until they reach us here). That's wild, though, if true. Seems crazy that they'd make a little move up in Round One to guarantee they got McCarthy, with a former QB as their Head Coach, and then fall in love with a former top-3 pick reclamation project and completely light that entire draft process on fire. Would signal a lack of alignment on the pick to begin with. Because if the HC and GM genuinely believed in McCarthy to begin with, this one outlier season of Darnold success would NOT so easily move them to abandon the prospect and pay MUCHO doll hairs to a vet instead. 

 

Just can't see McCarthy getting traded before having a chance to compete for the job, nor can I envision him having enough value to justify the move. Minnesota ain't afraid of paying a vet, to be sure. See: Kirk Cousins. But cutting bait with the hand-picked, traded-up-for top-10 prospect seems bonkers so soon.  

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I never thought Mayfield was a bust. I think, and always thought, the Browns made a mistake moving off him. Baker can play. He isn't a superstar but he is a good starting Quarterback. I have to say I did think Darnold was a bust. Not necessarily just after the Jets but after a promising start when he flamed out with Carolina I thought that was him done. Huge credit to him. He got his chance this year and he seized it. 

 

The strange journey of Baker Mayfield

-Mayfield's 1st year, looked pretty good under Hue Jackson and Todd Haley, then Freddie Kitchens.  Looked like he was worth the #1 pick.  Then Hue Jackson was fired and Freddie Kitchens hired; @BarleyNY may correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the rumor was that Mayfield was given a strong voice in those decisions

-Mayfield's 2nd year, big fall-off.  Lower completion %, as many INTs as TD, just looked like a hot mess

-Mayfield's 3rd year under Stefanski and Alex Van Pelt was like "Jim Dandy to the Rescue!  Jim Dandy to the Rescue!  Completion percentage back up, Interceptions way down, TD up - looked once again as though the Browns had something.  

-Mayfield's 4th year, played through an injury (was it a shoulder?), missed some games, did not look so good.

 

Then of course came the organizational decision to ditch Mayfield for You_Sick_*****.

 

My feeling was, Mayfield is confident, which is needed, but at times it verged on cocky or arrogant early in his career.  He's had some of the arrogance knocked out of him, and replaced by solid football knowledge when he had a chance to work as an understudy to a Great Football Mind out in San Francisco, and he's solid now - absolutely a QB a team can win with.

 

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

Did I see a tweet about Mayfield playing scout team DT for Carolina at some point that season? There is a pic out there that essentially shows us this. Crazy.

 

Scout team reps as QB is what I can find online.

 

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

How could Minn sign Darnold to starting QB money while they have a 1st rounder they traded up (slightly) to draft at #10 who just redshirted his first year? MAYBE if Darnold accepted a "bridge" deal (which isn't super realistic) for a few years they'd let the two QBs compete for the job, but I can't see Darnold signing for less than stupid starter money. 

 

It seems to me the more likely thing the Vikings do, if they're smart, is franchise Darnold and trade him.  

 

The model in my mind is what the Chiefs did with Mahomes, where they drafted Mahomes while they had Smith under contract for 2 more years, let Mahomes have a full year to watch and learn, and then traded Alex Smith to Washington with a year left on his contract.

 

Darnold has had a very very good year for the Vikings, and he's going to get paid.  It seems like a very low-risk thing for the Vikings to try the tag-and-trade on him.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, eball said:

Darnold is still flawed. Holds the ball, feels the pressure. But he has played incredibly well this year and shown he can be coached. 
 

 

 

Yea he is still flawed. But he isn't a bust. Which he looked in New York and Carolina. 

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

The strange journey of Baker Mayfield

-Mayfield's 1st year, looked pretty good under Hue Jackson and Todd Haley, then Freddie Kitchens.  Looked like he was worth the #1 pick.  Then Hue Jackson was fired and Freddie Kitchens hired; @BarleyNY may correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the rumor was that Mayfield was given a strong voice in those decisions

-Mayfield's 2nd year, big fall-off.  Lower completion %, as many INTs as TD, just looked like a hot mess

-Mayfield's 3rd year under Stefanski and Alex Van Pelt was like "Jim Dandy to the Rescue!  Jim Dandy to the Rescue!  Completion percentage back up, Interceptions way down, TD up - looked once again as though the Browns had something.  

-Mayfield's 4th year, played through an injury (was it a shoulder?), missed some games, did not look so good.

 

Then of course came the organizational decision to ditch Mayfield for You_Sick_*****.

 

My feeling was, Mayfield is confident, which is needed, but at times it verged on cocky or arrogant early in his career.  He's had some of the arrogance knocked out of him, and replaced by solid football knowledge when he had a chance to work as an understudy to a Great Football Mind out in San Francisco, and he's solid now - absolutely a QB a team can win with.

 

 

 

Darnold was the one who was a backup in San Fran. Baker never was. He went Cleveland, Carolina (I think it is a rule everyone has to spend 3 games as QB of the Panthers) and then the Rams for a cup of coffee before signing in Tampa. He has just had a career year. Likely he will not match it again, but he is who he has always been to me. A good QB who with pieces around him can win you 9,10,11 games and make the playoffs.

[Tenhigh]

11 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Josh Rosen will be back and you will all be very sorry

I will finally get to say I told you so, can't wait to take back my "wrong Josh" apologies!  Aim small, miss small biotches...

[Dan Darragh]

12 hours ago, Beck Water said:

In the intervening years, it certainly looked like pick #1 and #3 were busts

#3 sure looked like a bust against the Lions.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

12 hours ago, Beck Water said:

OK so who had this on their 2024 NFL Bingo card?

 

[Don Otreply]

12 hours ago, MPL said:

To this day, I still don't understand why Baker Mayfield isn't the Browns QB. 

You kinda answered your own question within your question, 

 

“The Browns” 

 

 

[Bills!Win!]

13 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Josh Rosen will be back and you will all be very sorry

Hey if Geno Smith can make a comeback…

[DrDawkinstein]

Browns, Jets, and Panthers are complete dumpster-fire organizations. This year just confirms that.

 

Happy for both Baker and Darnold, especially Darnold. Great to see such resiliency nowadays.

[BearNorth]

13 hours ago, MPL said:

To this day, I still don't understand why Baker Mayfield isn't the Browns QB. 

Haslam, the name is Haslam

[DrDawkinstein]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

It seems to me the more likely thing the Vikings do, if they're smart, is franchise Darnold and trade him.  

 

The model in my mind is what the Chiefs did with Mahomes, where they drafted Mahomes while they had Smith under contract for 2 more years, let Mahomes have a full year to watch and learn, and then traded Alex Smith to Washington with a year left on his contract.

 

Darnold has had a very very good year for the Vikings, and he's going to get paid.  It seems like a very low-risk thing for the Vikings to try the tag-and-trade on him.

 

This is a good and smart plan for the organization, but I'd be surprised if they actually pull that since it would be a major screw-job on the player who was the good soldier, did everything he was asked, and just got you 14 wins. Not sure it's worth the bad karma with the players.

[chongli]

13 hours ago, djp14150 said:

challengers are ….
 

2020– Burrow, Tua, Hebert, Love in 1st round, Hurtz  in 2nd

 

2024– Williams, Daniels, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix

 

 

1983 - Kelly, Marino, Elway, Blackledge, O'Brien, Eason (5 of the 6 were drafted by AFC East teams)

 

2005 - Rodgers, Fitzpatrick, Cassel, Smith, Orton, Campbell, Anderson

 

2004 - Manning, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Schaub

Edited Monday at 03:09 PM by chongli

[corta765]

Baker was always pretty decent but culture and circumstance messed up his time in CLE. It was beyond ironic that he gutted out his final year there which had he sat would've been criticized... only for him to then be cut because he didn't have a great year.

 

He is a top 10 type guy, not top 5 although at times he can be there but you can certainly win a lot with the right offense and coaching as shown the last two years in TB. Darnold I am more surprised that he had the year he did and I do wonder how sustainable long term it is.