Black Monday...who gets canned?

[TheFunPolice]

I think Glenn earned himself the New Orleans job last night. That was a dominating performance by a banged up D, and also evidence of just how much Anzalone means to the Lions scheme. 

[Low Positive]

20 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I feel like they either need to go Ben Johnson or an experienced guy. They can't go milquetoast assistant again. I don't know if they go there, but Gruden makes sense. Maybe Pederson gets hired again right away. But Ben Johnson should be the #1 target fro those guys. 

Everyone treats Ben Johnson as a slam dunk, but don't know that he is not a "milquetoast assistant." All we know about him is that he calls a good game and has produced an effective and balanced offense. We don't know how he is as a leader and CEO because Dan Campbell is so obviously the head of that show. Also, the fact that he keeps turning down offers is a red flag for me. He turned down Washington at the last minute, and that was a good opening. 

 

But in general, coaching candidates are either retreads or unproven assistants. There are no other options unless you want to take the risk of a college guy. 

[djp14150]

Cincinnati fired DC

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, djp14150 said:

Cincinnati fired DC

 

If Rex Ryan doesn't get the Jets job (which I think he will) that would be the place to go, if they want him. 

 

Pretty much guaranteed to win games with Burrow if you can just fix the D

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, djp14150 said:

Cincinnati fired DC

 

Wow, that's crazy. Scapegoat. I mean they were bad this year, but coach was not the problem. 

[djp14150]

54 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

If the Giants are keeping Daboll it's because the feelers they already put out told them that none of the top candidates are interested. Might as well wait out another cycle

Nobody is touching the giants situation given what they currently have.

 

even if they fired Daboll, the GM is still on a short leash 

[Negan]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Wow, that's crazy. Scapegoat. I mean they were bad this year, but coach was not the problem. 

Stupid move, this guy was the Bills kryptonite, thank God they fired him.

 

Hope he goes to the NFC.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Wow, that's crazy. Scapegoat. I mean they were bad this year, but coach was not the problem. 

 

Meh. I think he is super overrated. Six seasons as DC in Cincy only one year in those six have they been top half of the league in either yards or points (2021 when they were top half for both). They have been bottom 7 in yards four times in six seasons. He had a truly great playoff adjustment at half time of that AFCCG against Kansas City going to the 3 man rush and intermediate flood concept and he totally befuddled Mahomes. That was some great coordinating. But people stick on that moment when the reality is most of his time there the defense has been poorly coached. They have lost some talent the last two seasons with Reader and the two safeties moving on But he still has Hendrikson and Hubbard and Hill and Hilton and Wilson... it's enough talent to make the defensive performance really disappointing. 

39 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I feel like they either need to go Ben Johnson or an experienced guy. They can't go milquetoast assistant again. I don't know if they go there, but Gruden makes sense. Maybe Pederson gets hired again right away. But Ben Johnson should be the #1 target fro those guys. 

 

In a lot of ways Chicago is the best job open. Until you remember they are in a division with three of the best four teams in the conference. 

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Cincinnati fired DC

 

Maybe McD should hire him? His defenses got better in the postseason, not worse.

[Steptide]

Doug Pedersen fired, buncha Cinci coaches 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Doug Pedersen fired, buncha Cinci coaches 

 

No idea how Pedersen lasted til the end of the year 

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. I think he is super overrated. Six seasons as DC in Cincy only one year in those six have they been top half of the league in either yards or points (2021 when they were top half for both). They have been bottom 7 in yards four times in six seasons. He had a truly great playoff adjustment at half time of that AFCCG against Kansas City going to the 3 man rush and intermediate flood concept and he totally befuddled Mahomes. That was some great coordinating. But people stick on that moment when the reality is most of his time there the defense has been poorly coached. They have lost some talent the last two seasons with Reader and the two safeties moving on But he still has Hendrikson and Hubbard and Hill and Hilton and Wilson... it's enough talent to make the defensive performance really disappointing. 

 

In a lot of ways Chicago is the best job open. Until you remember they are in a division with three of the best four teams in the conference. 

Some of this might be correct.  I do think that Lou was able to shine the brightest in the playoffs though.  There’s an interesting stat that compares QB performance in the post season along with defensive support.

 

Josh has mostly been great in the postseason but has gotten little support.

 

Joe Burrow is the opposite.  He’s been mediocre to good in the playoffs but has been supported by strong defensive support.

 

I think this is a great to Lou’s defense and he always seemed to be a “big time” DC 

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Maybe McD should hire him? His defenses got better in the postseason, not worse.

I would love that personally- If the defence craps out again in the playoffs, McDermott is gonna really have to think about changing the philosophy of his defence 

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Maybe McD should hire him? His defenses got better in the postseason, not worse.

I really love this idea.  Lou also knows Baltimore well:

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Some of this might be correct.  I do think that Lou was able to shine the brightest in the playoffs though.  There’s an interesting stat that compares QB performance in the post season along with defensive support.

 

Josh has mostly been great in the postseason but has gotten little support.

 

Joe Burrow is the opposite.  He’s been mediocre to good in the playoffs but has been supported by strong defensive support.

 

I think this is a great to Lou’s defense and he always seemed to be a “big time” DC 

 

Meh. I put that down to simple randomness. I don't think he suddenly remembers how to coach in January. 

[dave mcbride]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. I think he is super overrated. Six seasons as DC in Cincy only one year in those six have they been top half of the league in either yards or points (2021 when they were top half for both). They have been bottom 7 in yards four times in six seasons. He had a truly great playoff adjustment at half time of that AFCCG against Kansas City going to the 3 man rush and intermediate flood concept and he totally befuddled Mahomes. That was some great coordinating. But people stick on that moment when the reality is most of his time there the defense has been poorly coached. They have lost some talent the last two seasons with Reader and the two safeties moving on But he still has Hendrikson and Hubbard and Hill and Hilton and Wilson... it's enough talent to make the defensive performance really disappointing. 

Defensive expected points contributed during Anuromo's full tenure at Cincy as DC (2019-2024):

 

2019 - Cincy's D was 26th in expected points contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm) - sort by last column

2020 - 22nd in expected contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm) 

2021 - 12th in expected points contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm) 

2022 - 9th in expected points contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/opp.htm)

2023 - 26th (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/opp.htm)

2024 - 26th (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm)

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Defensive expected points contributed during Anuromo's full tenure at Cincy as DC (2019-2024):

 

2019 - Cincy's D was 26th in expected points contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/opp.htm) - sort by last column

2020 - 22nd in expected contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/opp.htm) 

2021 - 12th in expected points contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/opp.htm) 

2022 - 9th in expected points contributed (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/opp.htm)

2023 - 26th (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/opp.htm)

2024 - 26th (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/opp.htm)

 

 

 

Even if you accept that as totally indicative all it says is he basically only does as well as his talent. I think Cincy are poorly coached on D most times I watch them and have done for a number of years. 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Even if you accept that as totally indicative all it says is he basically only does as well as his talent. I think Cincy are poorly coached on D most times I watch them and have done for a number of years. 

The thing about "coaching in January" is that you have to get to January. The years his defense performed in the regular season -- coincidentally, when they were most talented -- led to January runs, but in only 2 years out of 6. It was borderline criminal that Cincy didn't make the playoffs this year given how good their offense was.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. I put that down to simple randomness. I don't think he suddenly remembers how to coach in January. 

If it was one random time , I would agree with you .

 

But he's slowed down Josh once, and Mahomes twice in the playoffs. It's hard to say that's a fluke.

 

Spagnulo has also had some seasons where he struggled during the regular season, but turns it on in the playoffs 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Woody's plan should include a bridge Quarterback and Head Coach and bottoming out to try and go get Arch Manning. 

Mayo is available as a bridge coach 

 

 

Edited Monday at 03:23 PM by WotAGuy