Ken Dorsey fired by Browns

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Offense regressed from last year. Watson of course was the major issue. Dorsey got a bit screwed with oline and TE injuries.  He got Jerry Jeudy over 1000 yards. Nobody can fix Winston's high INT rate. 

He needs to go back to college at this point.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

13 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

But it wasn’t scapegoating.  Dorsey’s offense wasn’t good over his final 6 games as OC.  Plus it’s not like McDermott was under any pressure to lose his job.
 

 

 

I don't disagree a change was good. But the timing was ridiculous. The Bills offense was moving the ball against Denver all game. The players just made boneheaded turnovers, Rb's fumbling, WR letting balls go through their hands for INT's. Allen loose with the ball for a fumble. Dorsey called a fine game. A game that should have had them scoring 30+ points if the Bills just had two turnovers on the game instead of four. Bills offense even engineered a go ahead score with 2 minutes left. 

 

Then McD defense lets he Broncos go down the field for a game winning FG that they miss. Only to get called for 12 men on the field and then lose on the second FG attempt. McD had to fire someone after that game. It was just kind of ironic that Dorsey who did need to be let go, actually called a game that didn't warrant a firing. 

[Sojourner]

17 minutes ago, Joe Mama said:

I think Schwartz had a #1 defense one year in Buffalo. Rexy sh** canned him when he arrived so we could have a mediocre defense.

You’re right. 
 

It was the #1. 
 

It fell into the mid 20’s. 
 

Sometimes it’s the players but more often than not it’s the coaches. 

2 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I saw where the offseason jobs program between the CFL and Canadian Tire has been scaled back.

 

The coaches now only receive a 5 gallon pail with assorted promotional merchandise and giveaways.

 

It includes a pretty sweet tire pressure gauge though.

 

Better be electronic. You tried reading the lines on the piston gauge during a snow storm? F that!

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

10 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

How is firing the guy that was the cause of the problem considered scapegoating? Dorsey sucked. His offense was too complex for the players to run consistently. McD recognized this and made the change at OC that immediately paid dividends. That’s not scapegoating, that’s good head coaching recognizing you made a mistake in hiring him as OC and rectifying the problem. 

 

 

 

Because that one game (again, not denying Dorsey was sub par in many games leading up to the Denver game) Dorsey was probably near last on the list of "who do we blame for this loss?" Good move, really bad timing in terms of firing the guy after that game as opposed to just firing him the week before. Dorsey didn't do anything that game to lose himself the job. It was the weeks leading up to that game that put the Bills in a situation record wise where a change had to be made.

 

It reminded me of Rex firing Roman after his defense gave up over 30 points to the Jets in a prime time game in like week2. 

[JohnNord]

17 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I don't disagree a change was good. But the timing was ridiculous. The Bills offense was moving the ball against Denver all game. The players just made boneheaded turnovers, Rb's fumbling, WR letting balls go through their hands for INT's. Allen loose with the ball for a fumble. Dorsey called a fine game. A game that should have had them scoring 30+ points if the Bills just had two turnovers on the game instead of four. Bills offense even engineered a go ahead score with 2 minutes left. 

 

Then McD defense lets he Broncos go down the field for a game winning FG that they miss. Only to get called for 12 men on the field and then lose on the second FG attempt. McD had to fire someone after that game. It was just kind of ironic that Dorsey who did need to be let go, actually called a game that didn't warrant a firing. 

That was the consistent them over his last 6 games though.  A lot of mistakes, bad turnovers, and a failure to put up points.  
 

I don’t have an issue with your take as much as I do with some others who tried to dismiss the work that Brady did as OC or the decision to fire Dorsey.  IMO both moves saved the season - as did figuring out how to run the undermanned defense 

[Breakout Squad]

2 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Rick Dennison enters the chat 

Good ole’ Rico 

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Because that one game (again, not denying Dorsey was sub par in many games leading up to the Denver game) Dorsey was probably near last on the list of "who do we blame for this loss?" Good move, really bad timing in terms of firing the guy after that game as opposed to just firing him the week before. Dorsey didn't do anything that game to lose himself the job. It was the weeks leading up to that game that put the Bills in a situation record wise where a change had to be made.

 

It reminded me of Rex firing Roman after his defense gave up over 30 points to the Jets in a prime time game in like week2. 

Didn’t we turn it over at least 3 times in Denver? Maybe 4?

 

 

do we think Dorsey’s ***** “everyone run comeback routes offense” was a contributor of that?

Edited Sunday at 04:57 PM by FireChans

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, BRH said:

Stefanski has two COY awards and is still 40-44 as Browns HC. 

Dick Jauron and Wayne Fontes each won COY awards as well. That's about how much post season awards mean

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Didn’t we turn it over at least 3 times in Denver? Maybe 4?

 

 

do we think Dorsey’s ***** “everyone run comeback routes offense” was a contributor of that?

 

It was four times. The problem is two of them were fumbles. One by Josh and one by a RB. Really can't ever put fumbles on the OC.

 

Sure, sometimes INT's can go onto poor play design or calls. But fumbles blamed to the OC?

 

One of the INT's went through Davis hands. Don't believe we can attribute that to the OC either. The one that could possibly be on the OC (still an assumption) would be the one right before the half. Think it was an out route and just terrible read by Allen. 

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Ya, for all those calling him stupid, I don’t know if it's that. A lot to be said for overcomplicating things in leaderships roles. 

Ya agreed. Hes definitely not a dumb guy. If anything, he's too smart lol. Needs to simplify things more for his players is his problem 

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fired twice in 2 years? Ouch.

 

He may still be paid by both.

[BillsfaninSB]

Maybe time to go to the collegiate level.

[Mike in Horseheads]

45 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I saw where the offseason jobs program between the CFL and Canadian Tire has been scaled back.

 

The coaches now only receive a 5 gallon pail with assorted promotional merchandise and giveaways.

 

It includes a pretty sweet tire pressure gauge though.

 

Its pry a 5 litre bucket

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

You’re right. 
 

It was the #1. 
 

It fell into the mid 20’s. 
 

 

It was 4th. In both yards and points. The following year was 19th and 15th.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Its pry a 5 litre bucket

5 gallon pail (U.S.) equals 20 litre pail.  Good sight I married a Canadian, and took up residence there. 😁

*
Although C to F, and F to C temperature conversions continue to baffle me to this day. 🙁

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Not a good look for a resume . But if they look at what he had to work with he might have another chance as a QB coach, maybe him and Dabol can reconnect ?

 

Dabes wanted to take him to New York so if he ends up OC somewhere then I can see Dorsey catching on as QB coach.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Dabes wanted to take him to New York so if he ends up OC somewhere then I can see Dorsey catching on as QB coach.

They can attend 'Rageaholcs Anonymous' meetings together.

[TheBrownBear]

Life comes at you quick as an NFL coach 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Life comes at you quick as an NFL coach 

And football is hard!

[VaMilBill]

3 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

Poor guy, another tough break for him. Soo dedicated, soo talented, yet not appreciated.

 

After all of his hard work, dedication, diligent prep during the week for the game, and great play calling, he was fired by the Bills.

 

Now this same work ethic and high level skills mean nothing, again, for dorsey.

 

Just like in Buffalo, a scapegoat once again, like many on this board recognized after he was fired.  It was McClappy that was, and is, the problem.

 

If Brady gets a head coaching job of course the Bills should consider hiring dorsey for another round, to work his magic here again.

 

 

 

 

Disagree big time. Last year our offense was basically Allen going out there and making magic happen. There was no rhythm, run game was weak besides Josh’s scrambles, and Josh and his receivers were constantly on different pages. 
 

his scheme did not work well with our personnel.