Ken Dorsey fired by Browns

[thenorthremembers]

3 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

If the Browns clean house, I’d love to bring Schwartz in as DC.  What the team needs is a fresh take on defensive philosophy.  It won’t happen, of course.  McDermott won’t ever allow it. Schwartz probably wants nothing to do with a franchise that wanted Rex Ryan over him.

 

Schwartz's defense is currently ranked 29th in points given up, the Bills are 12th.  The Browns are only one spot better than the Bills in yards per game.   That's with an elite pass rusher.

 

Why would you take a net loss to change defensive philosophies?

Edited Sunday at 02:21 PM by thenorthremembers

[oldmanfan]

Sacrificial lamb 

[GunnerBill]

The Browns season was a mess and Stefanski basically gave up playcalling when Watson went down so that the stink of what followed was on Dorsey. 

 

But when you watch them... a lot of the same issues we saw when he was here arose. Dreadful at blitz pickup, seeming lack of hot route adjustment, receivers runnning downfield and ending up crashing into one another at the same spot, total lsck of quick game. Limited motion even as a means of identifying coverages. 

 

Just all a mess. I don't think he is good at this. If he wants to coordinate college is his route. If he wants to coach in the NFL I am sure there will be QB coach opportunities for him.

[US Egg]

[Mister Defense]

3 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Not a Dorsey fan at all but not sure what anyone could expect with the injuries and severe lack of game breaking talent he had to work with. Seems like a fall guy for Stefanski and Andrew Berry

 

But like I said when he was the OC here--if the big obvious things are so glaringly bad, and often incompetent, just imagine what the 'smaller', detailed work of being a coach looked like behind the scenes, the things details that make an offense go.

 

Like Josh Allen said after he was fired, "it had to be done", for a coach he had said he loved. Imagine how bad the things we did not see directly were, behind the scenes..

[Mister Defense]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The Browns season was a mess and Stefanski basically gave up playcalling when Watson went down so that the stink of what followed was on Dorsey. 

 

But when you watch them... a lot of the same issues we saw when he was here arose. Dreadful at blitz pickup, seeming lack of hot route adjustment, receivers runnning downfield and ending up crashing into one another at the same spot, total lsck of quick game. Limited motion even as a means of identifying coverages. 

 

Just all a mess. I don't think he is good at this. If he wants to coordinate middle school or pee wee football is his route. If he wants to coach in the NFL I am sure there will be QB coach opportunities for him.

 

I agree with all of what you say above.  He is not just bad, but incompetent, as if he literally does not know what he is doing as an OC. McDermott's biggest mistake as a head coach, and I think he would agree.

 

But I replaced your 'college' with what I think is more accurate, in bold.

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

3 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

I agree with all of what you say above.  He is not just bad, but incompetent, as if he literally does not know what he is doing as an OC. McDermott's biggest mistake as a head coach, and I think he would agree.

 

But I replaced your 'college' with what I think is more accurate, in bold.

 

Rick Dennison enters the chat 

[buffblue]

2 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

But like I said when he was the OC here--if the big obvious things are so glaringly bad, and often incompetent, just imagine what the 'smaller', detailed work of being a coach looked like behind the scenes, the things details that make an offense go.

 

Like Josh Allen said after he was fired, "it had to be done", for a coach he had said he loved. Imagine how bad the things we did not see directly were, behind the scenes..

I don't disagree with any of this. I just think his firing points to a larger issue, which is the the entire Browns regime is incompetent and their roster build has been a joke.

 

Even if you give them a mulligan for the epic disaster that is DeShaun Watson, what exactly has Cleveland done right? About the only thing I can think to give them credit for is building a solid offensive line. The rest of their team is littered with holes and a lack of talent. This goes way beyond Dorsey and points to Stefanski, Berry (who should have been fired 2 years ago), and maybe the worst owner in the league in Jimmy Haslam

[Augie]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

To the absolute surprise of nobody 

 

Yeah, clearly it was all their fault. 

 

The Browns keep on being da Browns. As long as Haslam is at the helm, they will continue to cruise along…..like the Titanic. I honestly feel badly for their fans. 

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

I agree with all of what you say above.  He is not just bad, but incompetent, as if he literally does not know what he is doing as an OC. McDermott's biggest mistake as a head coach, and I think he would agree.

 

But I replaced your 'college' with what I think is more accurate, in bold.

 

Joe Marino had a pretty good breakdown of Ken Dorsey which made total sense - Basically said Dorsey has "answers" built in to every single play.

 

Like if it's cover 3, then the receiver should go to "X", and the qb should have his eyes in that same particular area.

 

Basically asks his receivers and QB to be on the same page and read coverage the same on every single play, Which in theory works well, but it's just way too complicated.  This is why the bills receivers had tons of spacing issues and always seemed to run into each other

Edited Sunday at 02:47 PM by BillsFan130

[NoSaint]

27 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Not a Dorsey fan at all but not sure what anyone could expect with the injuries and severe lack of game breaking talent he had to work with. Seems like a fall guy for Stefanski and Andrew Berry

perhaps it wasn’t solely based on output but also his performance in the day to day process 

[Roundybout]

I couldn’t stand Dorsey and his Shotgun Draw of Doom, but you have to feel for him getting stuck with Groper Cleveland at quarterback 

[Mister Defense]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Joe Marino had a pretty good breakdown of Ken Dorsey which made total sense - Basically said Dorsey has "answers" built in to every single play.

 

Like if it's cover 3, then the receiver should go to "X", and the qb should have his eyes in that same particular area.

 

Basically asks his receivers and QB to be on the same page and read coverage the same on every single play, Which in theory works well, but it's just way too complicated.  This is why the bills recovers had tons of spacing issues and always seemed to run into each other

 

But the worse thing was he never corrected this and his other faults, and that is why he is so disliked here--he seemed extremely lazy, careless. And yes, incompetent, as if he did not know a significant amount of what needed to know to even consider being an NFL OC.

 

While his problems were being increasingly called out by some in the national media, like Mike Robinson and Dan O,  it just got worse and worse.

 

 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Joe Marino had a pretty good breakdown of Ken Dorsey which made total sense - Basically said Dorsey has "answers" built in to every single play.

 

Like if it's cover 3, then the receiver should go to "X", and the qb should have his eyes in that same particular area.

 

Basically asks his receivers and QB to be on the same page and read coverage the same on every single play, but Which in theory works well, but it's just way too complicated.  This is why the bills recovers had tons of spacing issues and always seemed to run into each other

also would connect back to reports that Deshaun was unable to keep up

[H2o]

He's more than likely headed back to just being a QB coach somewhere. Cam had some solid years when he served in that capacity in Carolina. Josh seemed to like him as well. I think running an entire offense just is not his thing. 

[boyst]

51 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Next step for him is probably back to college. 

QB coach to Drake Maye 

[RichRiderBills]

Sucks for Dorsey. I think he was dealt a bad hand. Chubb out. Trade top wideout. Watson mess, then stuck w DTR and Zapper off the street. Winston alone is a coach- killer. Dorsey may need some remedial work, but he's not miracle worker. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

January in Berea

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

...receivers runnning downfield and ending up crashing into one another at the same spot...

I think Dorsey got his plays from those 'vibrating table' football games, that were popular in the 60s and 70s.

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[Coach Tuesday]

Suspect he is bad at “managing up,” perhaps among other flaws.