Ken Dorsey fired by Browns

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

He'll be on Joe Brady's staff next year. QB coach. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, beebe said:

he got saddled with a bottom 5 QB (in play, not talent) who the whole team probably hates, only to have him suffer a season ending injury and get replaced by the likes of jameis winston, DTR and bailey zappe. star RB also got hurt, and by season's end their leading rusher was d'onta foreman. oh, and they traded away their best receiver. 

 

surprised this didn't go well. 

Stefanski started out the year calling plays and turned duties to Dorsey after the Browns started 1-6.

 

There’s a theory I read that Stefanski was looking for a scapegoat which is why he let Dorsey call plays.  
 

I wasn’t a fan of Dorsey as an OC in Buffalo.  I thought he was ok in 2022 but then pretty bad in 2023 and deserved to be fired. 

But he was in a no-win situation in Cleveland with Watson at QB.  .  

 

14 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

He'll be on Joe Brady's staff next year. QB coach. 

Remember when folks in here tried saying Dorsey was a Sean McDermott scapegoat?  
 

And that Joe Brady wasn’t much better than Dorsey, even after the closed the season winning their final 5 games?  

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

If the Browns clean house, I’d love to bring Schwartz in as DC.  What the team needs is a fresh take on defensive philosophy.  It won’t happen, of course.  McDermott won’t ever allow it. Schwartz probably wants nothing to do with a franchise that wanted Rex Ryan over him.

We really need to bring back the glory years of 2014

[Mikie2times]

58 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Joe Marino had a pretty good breakdown of Ken Dorsey which made total sense - Basically said Dorsey has "answers" built in to every single play.

 

Like if it's cover 3, then the receiver should go to "X", and the qb should have his eyes in that same particular area.

 

Basically asks his receivers and QB to be on the same page and read coverage the same on every single play, Which in theory works well, but it's just way too complicated.  This is why the bills receivers had tons of spacing issues and always seemed to run into each other

Ya, for all those calling him stupid, I don’t know if its that. A lot to be said for overcomplicating things in leaderships roles. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

11 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Remember when folks in here tried saying Dorsey was a Sean McDermott scapegoat?  
 

And that Joe Brady wasn’t much better than Dorsey, even after the closed the season winning their final 5 games?  

 

Both can be true. Firing Dorsey at that specific moment did appear to be scapegoating. And Joe Brady certainly has gone on to be a better OC for the team.

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, beebe said:

he got saddled with a bottom 5 QB (in play, not talent) who the whole team probably hates, only to have him suffer a season ending injury and get replaced by the likes of jameis winston, DTR and bailey zappe. star RB also got hurt, and by season's end their leading rusher was d'onta foreman. oh, and they traded away their best receiver. 

 

surprised this didn't go well. 

What was his excuse last year? 

[die hard bills fan]

Good for him!

[NoSaint]

58 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Sucks for Dorsey. I think he was dealt a bad hand. Chubb out. Trade top wideout. Watson mess, then stuck w DTR and Zapper off the street. Winston alone is a coach- killer. Dorsey may need some remedial work, but he's not miracle worker. 

 

 

right but perhaps the decision wasn’t just made based on points per game but things like film prep, play design, demeanor, ability to run meetings, relationships with players and coaches, game day communication, play calling etc…

 

if he was firing on all cylinders but they just had no real talent there are still ways to showcase your value adds in your role that isn’t just points per game 

[Donuts and Doritos]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

Poor guy, another tough break for him. Soo dedicated, soo talented, yet not appreciated.

 

After all of his hard work, dedication, diligent prep during the week for the game, and great play calling, he was fired by the Bills.

 

Now this same work ethic and high level skills mean nothing, again, for dorsey.

 

Just like in Buffalo, a scapegoat once again, like many on this board recognized after he was fired.  It was McClappy that was, and is, the problem.

 

If Brady gets a head coaching job of course the Bills should consider hiring dorsey for another round, to work his magic here again.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

We really need to bring back the glory years of 2014

Penalty:  Captain Hindsight.  Failure to report to officials as a 'sarcastic post'.

😁

[T master]

2 hours ago, DJB said:

To the absolute surprise of nobody 

 

Not a good look for a resume . But if they look at what he had to work with he might have another chance as a QB coach, maybe him and Dabol can reconnect ?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

Not a good look for a resume . But if they look at what he had to work with he might have another chance as a QB coach, maybe him and Dabol can reconnect ?

CFL looking for a few good coaches.  Plus, there's the offseason job granted at Canadian Tire.

[gonzo1105]

4 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Not a good look for a resume . But if they look at what he had to work with he might have another chance as a QB coach, maybe him and Dabol can reconnect ?

He had a pretty solid college coaching career going before the NFL, I’d expect him to head back that way. 

[JohnNord]

17 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Both can be true. Firing Dorsey at that specific moment did appear to be scapegoating. And Joe Brady certainly has gone on to be a better OC for the team.

But it wasn’t scapegoating.  Dorsey’s offense wasn’t good over his final 6 games as OC.  Plus it’s not like McDermott was under any pressure to lose his job.
 

When Brady took over you saw a more efficient offense that scored more points and utilized talent better.  Instead of deep shots to Diggs and Davis that often failed, Brady spread the ball around getting Shakir and the RB’s involved in the passing game.  
 

A few games into the Brady era at OC, I was convinced McDermott made the right choice firing Dorsey and I’m even more certain now.  

[Joe Mama]

37 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

We really need to bring back the glory years of 2014

I think Schwartz had a #1 defense one year in Buffalo. Rexy sh** canned him when he arrived so we could have a mediocre defense.

Edited Sunday at 04:14 PM by Joe Mama

[JohnNord]

28 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Ya, for all those calling him stupid, I don’t know if its that. A lot to be said for overcomplicating things in leaderships roles. 

I wouldn’t say stupid… just not a great OC

[T master]

41 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Both can be true. Firing Dorsey at that specific moment did appear to be scapegoating. And Joe Brady certainly has gone on to be a better OC for the team.

 

If given what Brady did after Dorsey was fired with the same players and scheme with only a few tweaks here and there if that was looked at as a "Scape goat" move, that in and of it self tells us that that opinion came from a fan and at the very least should be yet another feather in Beane/McD's hat .

 

Beane & McD aren't afraid to make the hard decisions that this team needs to move into a better looking future for the team, but can and will be twisted by some to look as if it wasn't a sound decision when in fact it was the best thing that could have happened to the team !

 

And it was more than likely the entire reason behind hiring Brady in the first place !! He was a good, young, offensive mind and McD & Beane saw it as a good alternative if the Dorsey thing didn't work out which it didn't and here we are !!! 

 

So i applaud the Bills FO for putting a plan in place (just incase) and having it work out flawlessly !! GO BILLS !!! 

 

Edit: given the Babich hire and his input for the draft this coming year i'd say it could work out to do the same for the teams future ! 

Edited Sunday at 04:29 PM by T master

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, beebe said:

he got saddled with a bottom 5 QB (in play, not talent) who the whole team probably hates, only to have him suffer a season ending injury and get replaced by the likes of jameis winston, DTR and bailey zappe. star RB also got hurt, and by season's end their leading rusher was d'onta foreman. oh, and they traded away their best receiver. 

 

surprised this didn't go well. 

 

This is true but may also be a case of false reductionism.   Maybe poor production isn't the entire story.

 

Maybe Stefanski watched how Dorsey prepared for games, worked with his fellow coaches, worked with the players... and decided the Browns needed better.   A little over a year ago McD made the same decision about Dorsey when Josh Allen was Dorsey's QB. 

 

Maybe it's not the players fault that Dorsey was fired.  Maybe it is Dorsey's fault. 

[RunTheBall]

35 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Both can be true. Firing Dorsey at that specific moment did appear to be scapegoating. And Joe Brady certainly has gone on to be a better OC for the team.

How is firing the guy that was the cause of the problem considered scapegoating? Dorsey sucked. His offense was too complex for the players to run consistently. McD recognized this and made the change at OC that immediately paid dividends. That’s not scapegoating, that’s good head coaching recognizing you made a mistake in hiring him as OC and rectifying the problem. 

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

21 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

CFL looking for a few good coaches.  Plus, there's the offseason job granted at Canadian Tire.

 

I saw where the offseason jobs program between the CFL and Canadian Tire has been scaled back.

 

The coaches now only receive a 5 gallon pail with assorted promotional merchandise and giveaways.

 

It includes a pretty sweet tire pressure gauge though.