Your Favorite (best) and worst President Ever?

[EC-Bills]

Nazi's

 

Nixon Bad!

Watergate!

Vietnam!

 

Comparing something to Nazis/Soviets is a sure sign of a weak argument.

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Am I the only one here who got what Reuban was getting at? He was countering koolaid boy's "brilliant" statement about watergate being insignificant with an equally ridiculous statement to make a point.

[Reuben Gant]

Am I the only one here who got what Reuban was getting at?  He was countering koolaid boy's "brilliant" statement about watergate being insignificant  with an equally ridiculous statement to make a point.

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Thank you!!!!!

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

Am I the only one here who got what Reuban was getting at?  He was countering koolaid boy's "brilliant" statement about watergate being insignificant  with an equally ridiculous statement to make a point.

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No. As I said, I got it too.

 

Then I took my meds... You both, of course, see that there's a HUGE difference between breaking in to a hotel room and invading France...?

[Reuben Gant]

No.  As I said, I got it too.

 

Then I took my meds...    You both, of course, see that there's a HUGE difference between breaking in to a hotel room and invading France...?

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Yep.

[Ghost of BiB]

No.  As I said, I got it too.

 

Then I took my meds...     You both, of course, see that there's a HUGE difference between breaking in to a hotel room and invading France...?

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So now your dissing Poland?

 

Bigot.

[EC-Bills]

Yes, my choice of words did imply that the economic recovery was instant. You are right, it did take a couple of years.

What are your views as to the presidencies of Reagan and Carter?

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I give the nod to Reagan.

 

Beefing up foreign policy and the miliitary

where badly needed when he came to office and Reagan addressed those

issues. On social issues, I am not a fan of Reagan, but that's another

story.

 

As for Carter, good honest person who was trying to do the right thing,

just wasn't the right person for the job. He also got stuck holding the bag when inflation peaked under his watch for stuff started during LBJ's time. One of the better things he did do though (although he didn't directly benefit from it) was appoint Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Reagan benefitted rather nicely from this appointment.

[EC-Bills]

No.  As I said, I got it too.

 

Then I took my meds...    You both, of course, see that there's a HUGE difference between breaking in to a hotel room and invading France...?

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Well, aren't we the "hair splitting monkey" today?!?

 

I guess I should ask what would have been an "appropriate" absurd statement to insert?

[Bill from NYC]

I give the nod to Reagan. 

 

Beefing up foreign policy and the miliitary

where badly needed when he came to office and Reagan addressed those

issues.  On social issues, I am not a fan of Reagan, but that's another

story.

 

As for Carter, good honest person who was trying to do the right thing,

just wasn't the right person for the job.  He also got stuck holding the bag when inflation peaked under his watch for stuff started during LBJ's time.  One of the better things he did do though (although he didn't directly benefit from it) was appoint Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.  Reagan  benefitted rather nicely from this appointment.

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I am not a fan of Reagan wrt labor issues, but I think he was a very good president. Believe it or not, Nixon was a friend of labor.

I will give credit to Carter for negotiating peace between Israle and Egypt, but little else. All in all, I think he was an awful president.

[Reuben Gant]

I am not a fan of Reagan wrt labor issues, but I think he was a very good president. Believe it or not, Nixon was a friend of labor.

I will give credit to Carter for negotiating peace between Israle and Egypt, but little else. All in all, I think he was an awful president.

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Carter did quite a few things that were unpopular but needed to be done:

1. Gave Panama the Canal

2. Normalized relations with China

3. Saved Chrysler

4. Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty I II III

5. Pardoned the Draft Dodgers

 

 

All these were politicals risks and he paid the price.

Most of his unpopularity had to do with the Hostages in Iran,

especially after the aborted rescue attempt.

I have always believed that Carter would have won a second

term if only that helicopter had not crashed during the rescue mission.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

So now your dissing Poland?

 

Bigot.

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Germany didn't invade Poland in WWI. Poland didn't exist then.

[VABills]

Germany didn't invade Poland in WWI.  Poland didn't exist then. 

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You know you're right,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for once.

[Reuben Gant]

  Poland didn't exist then. 

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I don't recommend saying that in Cheektowaga .

Poland has always existed.

[SilverNRed]

Break into the Dems file cabinets.

 

Invade Europe.

 

File Cabinets.

 

Europe.

 

Sorry, just can't put that one together.

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Yes, those were important file cabinets though. And the after effects of breaking into them are much more important here in 2005 than anything else Nixon did during his term.

 

Then again, Watergate is something people have heard of so it must be the most important.

 

File cabinets.

 

DING!

[Ghost of BiB]

Germany didn't invade Poland in WWI.  Poland didn't exist then. 

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Semantics. Try telling that to my Grandmother. Poland has been around a long time, it's just that everyone else has owned it at one time or another.

[beausox]

Worst: President Woodrow Wilson - Two term President of the USA. He passed  the Federal Reserve Act. Wilson chose to introduce the act in 1913 (first year of his administration) although major tariff legislation was also pending.  If you don't knwo what the Act did to us, Google and find out.  It was the beginning of the end for this country and the source of our National Debt.

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The National Debt is the best thing that ever happened to us.

 

1) The debt was nearly nothing prior to WWII and had it grown more quickly the previous 12 yrs the Depression may have been a recession.

 

2) England perfected the practice of ND and it funded their meteoric rise in 15th and 16th centuries. It allowed US to defeat Nazism in 5 years and Communism in 45! Would it have been better to allow Europe and Asia to become Fascist colonies?

[Terry Tate]

Carter became president at a very bad time in America, and could not figure out how to work the country out of its' difficulties.  He was a good man, at the wrong time, in the wrong job.

Out of curiosity, what was so embarrassing about Carter?

That sounds right.  Carter, for as good of a man that he is, he probably should not have been President.

best ex-president: Carter

As for Carter, good honest person who was trying to do the right thing,

just wasn't the right person for the job.  He also got stuck holding the bag when inflation peaked under his watch for stuff started during LBJ's time.

I will give credit to Carter for negotiating peace between Israle and Egypt, but little else. All in all, I think he was an awful president.

Carter did quite a few things that were unpopular but needed to be done:

I am not a student of history, so I don't think I can give an informed opinion on the best or worst presidents. I will say most of my admiration is reserved for those who founded our country.

 

But this talk of Jimmy Carter being a good honest person who got stuck in a bad situation, and how much good he's done as an ex-president, is quite simply, sickening.

 

Jimmy Carter has been a pain in the backside of each subsequent president - he's the anti-president. His actions in North Korea and Haiti certainly upset Clinton, but his lowest point had to be during the lead-up to the Gulf War, when he wrote to members of the UN Security Council, including France and Communist China, to urge them to thwart President GHW Bush's efforts.

 

The "miraculous" Camp David accords? Maybe some credit is due. But Sadat and Begin already had a deal worked out before approaching Washington. Their facilitators at the time were the King of Morocco and Ceausescu of Romania, both fine upstanding men with Carter's ear. But all in all, he did pay for the bill, so there is something to be said for that.

 

From Carter's biographer:

"There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasir Arafat." Carter "felt certain affinities with the Palestinian: a tendency toward hyperactivity and a workaholic disposition with unremitting sixteen-hour days, seven days a week, decade after decade."

 

At their first meeting — in 1990 — Carter boasted of his toughness toward Israel, assuring Arafat at one point, ". . . you should not be concerned that I am biased. I am much more harsh with the Israelis." Arafat, for his part, railed against the Reagan administration and its alleged "betrayals." Rosalynn Carter, taking notes for her husband, interjected, "You don’t have to convince us!" This "elicited gales of laughter all round." Carter himself, according to Brinkley, "agreed that the Reagan administration was not renowned as promise keepers". Douglas Brinkley, The Unfinished Presidency

 

Carter's assessment of the 1996 elections in the Palestinian Authority? "Democratic", "open", "fair", and "well organized".

 

Mr Human Rights? Sure, if you happen to live in Marcos’s Philippines, Pinochet’s Chile, or apartheid South Africa. If you live in Communist China, Communist Cuba, Communist Ethiopia, Communist Nicaragua, Communist North Korea - don't expect him to speak up on your behalf. According to an op-ed article he wrote, titled "It’s Wrong to Demonize China" - "Westerners emphasize personal freedoms, while a stable government and a unified nation are paramount to the Chinese. This means that policies are shaped by fear of chaos from unrestrained dissidents or fear of China’s fragmentation by an independent Taiwan or Tibet. The result is excessive punishment of outspoken dissidents and unwarranted domination of Tibetans."

 

Carter on Yugoslavia’s Tito: "a man who believes in human rights." Carter on Romania’s Ceausescu and himself: "Our goals are the same: to have a just system of economics and politics ... We believe in enhancing human rights." Carter praised Syria’s Assad and Ethiopia's Mengistu. To Haiti's Cédras: he said he was "ashamed of what my country has done to your country." Carter on North Korea's Kim Il Sung: "I find him to be vigorous, intelligent, surprisingly well informed about the technical issues, and in charge of the decisions about this country". On North Korea: "I don’t see that they are an outlaw nation." Pyongyang, he observed, was a "bustling city," where shoppers "pack the department stores," reminding him of the "Wal-Mart in Americus, Georgia."

 

Of course, he's not enamored with all world leaders. Of our current President he says "I don’t think that George W. Bush has any particular commitment to preservation of the principles of human rights."

 

Carter on SDI: "A ridiculous project technologically" and "counter to control of nuclear weapons in the world". "It will be a waste of money" and "it’s driven by pressures from manufacturers of weapons and so forth, among others."

 

Carter on the Kyoto protocol: "I think we should carry it out, fervently."

 

Carter on drilling in ANWR: It would "destroy" it.

 

When Ike spoke privately with JFK after the Bay of Pigs, he had some pretty harsh words for him. To the press, he said, "I am all in favor of the United States supporting the man who has to carry the responsibility for foreign affairs". When former President Bush was pressed constantly to comment on President Clinton's term, he refused every opportunity.

 

Carter has been an embarrassment to the US virtually every time he opens his mouth. He should stick to humanitarian efforts and STFU.

[Gavin in Va Beach]

I am not a student of history, so I don't think I can give an informed opinion on the best or worst presidents. I will say most of my admiration is reserved for those who founded our country.

 

But this talk of Jimmy Carter being a good honest person who got stuck in a bad situation, and how much good he's done as an ex-president, is quite simply, sickening.

 

Jimmy Carter has been a pain in the backside of each subsequent president - he's the anti-president. His actions in North Korea and Haiti certainly upset Clinton, but his lowest point had to be during the lead-up to the Gulf War, when he wrote to members of the UN Security Council, including France and Communist China, to urge them to thwart President GHW Bush's efforts.

 

The "miraculous" Camp David accords? Maybe some credit is due. But Sadat and Begin already had a deal worked out before approaching Washington. Their facilitators at the time were the King of Morocco and Ceausescu of Romania, both fine upstanding men with Carter's ear. But all in all, he did pay for the bill, so there is something to be said for that.

 

From Carter's biographer:

"There was no world leader Jimmy Carter was more eager to know than Yasir Arafat." Carter "felt certain affinities with the Palestinian: a tendency toward hyperactivity and a workaholic disposition with unremitting sixteen-hour days, seven days a week, decade after decade."

 

At their first meeting — in 1990 — Carter boasted of his toughness toward Israel, assuring Arafat at one point, ". . . you should not be concerned that I am biased. I am much more harsh with the Israelis." Arafat, for his part, railed against the Reagan administration and its alleged "betrayals." Rosalynn Carter, taking notes for her husband, interjected, "You don’t have to convince us!" This "elicited gales of laughter all round." Carter himself, according to Brinkley, "agreed that the Reagan administration was not renowned as promise keepers". Douglas Brinkley, The Unfinished Presidency

 

Carter's assessment of the 1996 elections in the Palestinian Authority? "Democratic", "open", "fair", and "well organized".

 

Mr Human Rights? Sure, if you happen to live in Marcos’s Philippines, Pinochet’s Chile, or apartheid South Africa. If you live in Communist China, Communist Cuba, Communist Ethiopia, Communist Nicaragua, Communist North Korea - don't expect him to speak up on your behalf. According to an op-ed article he wrote, titled "It’s Wrong to Demonize China" - "Westerners emphasize personal freedoms, while a stable government and a unified nation are paramount to the Chinese. This means that policies are shaped by fear of chaos from unrestrained dissidents or fear of China’s fragmentation by an independent Taiwan or Tibet. The result is excessive punishment of outspoken dissidents and unwarranted domination of Tibetans."

 

Carter on Yugoslavia’s Tito: "a man who believes in human rights." Carter on Romania’s Ceausescu and himself: "Our goals are the same: to have a just system of economics and politics ... We believe in enhancing human rights." Carter praised Syria’s Assad and Ethiopia's Mengistu. To Haiti's Cédras: he said he was "ashamed of what my country has done to your country." Carter on North Korea's Kim Il Sung: "I find him to be vigorous, intelligent, surprisingly well informed about the technical issues, and in charge of the decisions about this country". On North Korea: "I don’t see that they are an outlaw nation." Pyongyang, he observed, was a "bustling city," where shoppers "pack the department stores," reminding him of the "Wal-Mart in Americus, Georgia."

 

Of course, he's not enamored with all world leaders. Of our current President he says "I don’t think that George W. Bush has any particular commitment to preservation of the principles of human rights."

 

Carter on SDI: "A ridiculous project technologically" and "counter to control of nuclear weapons in the world". "It will be a waste of money" and "it’s driven by pressures from manufacturers of weapons and so forth, among others."

 

Carter on the Kyoto protocol: "I think we should carry it out, fervently."

 

Carter on drilling in ANWR: It would "destroy" it.

 

When Ike spoke privately with JFK after the Bay of Pigs, he had some pretty harsh words for him. To the press, he said, "I am all in favor of the United States supporting the man who has to carry the responsibility for foreign affairs". When former President Bush was pressed constantly to comment on President Clinton's term, he refused every opportunity.

 

Carter has been an embarrassment to the US virtually every time he opens his mouth. He should stick to humanitarian efforts and STFU.

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Bravo.

[erynthered]

Was it not Nixon that had the last balanced budget? Damn, he got caught though. Please tell me, you know it alls, do you really think they dont try to pull that sh*t that Nixon got caught doing 30 years ago? Also, Nixon pulled the troops that the !@#$ stick LBJ sent to Vietnam. Course LBJ did take a truck load of toilet tissue home to Texas.........Ass wipe......

 

 

He's right up there with the ass holes , plus the peanut farmer..........

[Ghost of BiB]

Bravo.

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PPP post of the day.

[Crap Throwing Monkey]

PPP post of the day.

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Could have been better. He forgot to mention double-digit inflation and interest rates...