Jets interviewing Mike Vrabel today

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

They are good at drafting QB's though, look at Geno and Darnold!

Haha and that shows their biggest weakness over the years - player development, patience, coaching 

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Agreed - I think he’s a pretty good coach.  He’s a better “leader of men” that Saleh and just as good - if not better - defensively.

 

I know in Tennessee he known for being conservative and relying on a ground-and-pound offense.  

 

Well - D. Henry. It would be coaching malpractice if he hadn't. I get the sense that Vrabel shouldn't be labeled than anything other than a good leader and smart enough to adhere to a team's strengths. I'd scoop him up right quick.

[Alphadawg7]

27 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I will say this he is better than their current coach, I think firing Saleh was a mistake and that he is better than Rex... at least Rex would make it hilarious I think Vrabel would make them a boring team.. But they would play hard

 

I hope the Jets hire Rex, that would be the most fun from an entertainment perspective lol

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I hope the Jets hire Rex, that would be the most fun from an entertainment perspective lol

It is my most sincerest of all hopes not only that he hires Rex but that Rexy takes his brother with him... just no Mack Hollins defections to the Jets... cause they will all be barefoot and I am not sure he could take it... although.. that could be a secret weapon LOL 

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I hope the Jets hire Rex, that would be the most fun from an entertainment perspective lol

He would be such a classic Jets hire, what would be even better is allow Rex to hire his Brother Rob.   Jets have a terrible owner and no long term answer at QB, ideal for the Ryan Bros to fix.  It would make me watch ESPN and Mr NY Jets Greenberg to see how quickly he turns on his blowhard buddy.

[Mat68]

56 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It has played out alright for the Bills, but until we get past the Chiefs and win our Championship it will always be questionable.

The difference in Mahomes and Allen is so small you cannot say they made a bad decision.  Too many ripple effects if Buffalo drafts Mahomes.  If Pegual drafts Mahomes he does so with trust in Whaley and Beane never makes it to Buffalo because Whaley stays. I credit Beane’s management and staff changing the culture in Buffalo as much as Mcdermott changed the locker room.  The in fighting and constant leaks during the Brand and Whaley run was terrible.  Ironically, once they were moved the leaks stopped. 

[JohnNord]

42 minutes ago, stinky finger said:

 

Well - D. Henry. It would be coaching malpractice if he hadn't. I get the sense that Vrabel shouldn't be labeled than anything other than a good leader and smart enough to adhere to a team's strengths. I'd scoop him up right quick.

I mean, he had the right idea.  They leaned into the rushing offense to set up the pass.   That worked well until teams shut down the run and Tannehill wasn’t good enough to win the game for them.  It happened on nearly every playoff exit.   

32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I hope the Jets hire Rex, that would be the most fun from an entertainment perspective lol

Rex had an antiquated philosophy a decade ago.  He also was infamous for a poor work ethic - as reporters would see his infamous truck leaving the stadium on their home commute.

 

There’s no way he has evolved working as a studio analyst.  
 

I’m sure he still talks a good game and would for NYJ to fall in the same trap that Pegula did.  

“Don’t let him leave the building, Woody”

[DrDawkinstein]

12 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

The difference in Mahomes and Allen is so small you cannot say they made a bad decision.  Too many ripple effects if Buffalo drafts Mahomes.  If Pegual drafts Mahomes he does so with trust in Whaley and Beane never makes it to Buffalo because Whaley stays. I credit Beane’s management and staff changing the culture in Buffalo as much as Mcdermott changed the locker room.  The in fighting and constant leaks during the Brand and Whaley run was terrible.  Ironically, once they were moved the leaks stopped. 

 

You're making a lot of hypotheticals and strawmen go your way in this.

 

I never said Whaley should have drafted Mahomes. If anything, I say we should have fired Whaley the same day as Rex, and brought in both McD and Beane that January. I understand why they didnt, but plenty of teams reset their FO in January and are able to make a draft in May.

 

Plus, it's been reported that Pegula is the one who pushed for Mahomes, so not sure the GM stays even if we do make that pick. That was simply McD protecting his incoming GM from being saddled with someone else's pick. Which is fair. But the GM should have been in place for that draft.

 

Also, the difference so far is 3 Super Bowl wins, 4 appearances, and multiple playoff wins over the Bills. Which they likely dont do with Watson, or Rosen in 18. Or maybe they get Allen the next year and go on to win the 2021 Super Bowl. Who knows?

 

But I'm not sure I trust the judgement of anyone who tries to argue against the point that the Chiefs would not be the current dynasty Chiefs if they werent allowed to move up and draft Mahomes.

[stinky finger]

36 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I mean, he had the right idea.  They leaned into the rushing offense to set up the pass.   That worked well until teams shut down the run and Tannehill wasn’t good enough to win the game for them.  It happened on nearly every playoff exit.   

Rex had an antiquated philosophy a decade ago.  He also was infamous for a poor work ethic - as reporters would see his infamous truck leaving the stadium on their home commute.

 

There’s no way he has evolved working as a studio analyst.  
 

I’m sure he still talks a good game and would for NYJ to fall in the same trap that Pegula did.  

“Don’t let him leave the building, Woody”

 

I'm not sure anyone shut down their run attack, but Tannehill certainly wasn't capable to get them over the hump. 

[YoloinOhio]

45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You're making a lot of hypotheticals and strawmen go your way in this.

 

I never said Whaley should have drafted Mahomes. If anything, I say we should have fired Whaley the same day as Rex, and brought in both McD and Beane that January. I understand why they didnt, but plenty of teams reset their FO in January and are able to make a draft in May.

 

Plus, it's been reported that Pegula is the one who pushed for Mahomes, so not sure the GM stays even if we do make that pick. That was simply McD protecting his incoming GM from being saddled with someone else's pick. Which is fair. But the GM should have been in place for that draft.

 

Also, the difference so far is 3 Super Bowl wins, 4 appearances, and multiple playoff wins over the Bills. Which they likely dont do with Watson, or Rosen in 18. Or maybe they get Allen the next year and go on to win the 2021 Super Bowl. Who knows?

 

But I'm not sure I trust the judgement of anyone who tries to argue against the point that the Chiefs would not be the current dynasty Chiefs if they werent allowed to move up and draft Mahomes.

I agree that the chiefs would not be the dynasty they are without him. That’s very hard to argue. What I was saying is I don’t know if the Bills are a similar dynasty or even have a SB win at this point had they taken mahomes bc that’s a whole different coaching staff, roster, schedule, etc etc around him. I believe allen was the perfect qb pick for Buffalo and I will say that to my grave regardless of SB victories. We all know HE did enough to beat the chiefs in the 2022 playoffs/ 13 second game and multiple other games they lost but bc of other reasons coaching or defense related. But I agree with YOUR point just saying others have made the latter and I can’t get there. 

Edited Friday at 08:27 PM by YoloinOhio

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Jon Gruden is also a serious candidate for the Jets and multiple teams.  He’s gonna be back this year or next.

Gruden's record since inheriting Dungy's defense to win that Super Bowl in 2003 was 67-81 over ten(ish) seasons with zero playoff wins.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Whatever. As long as they bring back Rodgers.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, stinky finger said:

 

I'm not sure anyone shut down their run attack, but Tannehill certainly wasn't capable to get them over the hump. 

It happened in just about every playoff loss

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Gruden's record since inheriting Dungy's defense to win that Super Bowl in 2003 was 67-81 over ten(ish) seasons with zero playoff wins.

 

Yeah, if you read my follow up posts I am not a fan of his...I was just relaying information

[Beck Water]

For some reason I read the "Subject:" line and that old Jay and the Americans song starts playing in my mind:

 

"And I knew, yes I knew, I should leave, when I heard her say: Come a little bit closer you're my kind of man, so big and so strong"

[JimBob2232]

9 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Agreed. He is one of the few coaches that I do not want them to hire. 

 

Which is why the should...and why they won't.

[Behindenemylines]

19 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

 

Which is why the should...and why they won't.

I’d rather have the jets being on Vrabel than New England.  Mayo is a joke and all of NE knows it, so after Krafts try at being “hip” he’s going to go with experience.  It’s rumoured he’s into Vrabel from what’s here in NE. That would be bad for the East.  
 

I do t want to see a HC succeed in the East other than McD.  Look at the stability of NEP and that’s one of the reasons for decades long success 

[Kelly to Allen]

Please jets hire Ron Rivera 🙏 

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You're making a lot of hypotheticals and strawmen go your way in this.

 

I never said Whaley should have drafted Mahomes. If anything, I say we should have fired Whaley the same day as Rex, and brought in both McD and Beane that January. I understand why they didnt, but plenty of teams reset their FO in January and are able to make a draft in May.

 

Plus, it's been reported that Pegula is the one who pushed for Mahomes, so not sure the GM stays even if we do make that pick. That was simply McD protecting his incoming GM from being saddled with someone else's pick. Which is fair. But the GM should have been in place for that draft.

 

Also, the difference so far is 3 Super Bowl wins, 4 appearances, and multiple playoff wins over the Bills. Which they likely dont do with Watson, or Rosen in 18. Or maybe they get Allen the next year and go on to win the 2021 Super Bowl. Who knows?

 

But I'm not sure I trust the judgement of anyone who tries to argue against the point that the Chiefs would not be the current dynasty Chiefs if they werent allowed to move up and draft Mahomes.

The overlap between McDermott and Whaley was always odd to me.  
 

My belief is that the Pegulas had been consulting with Bill Polian throughout the 2016 season.  IIRC he had a deal in place to take over as Vice President overseeing Coach and GM but pulled out once Marrone quit and Orton retired.  He also was up for a HOF nomination and didn’t want to start the process over. 

 

The old school belief is that you don’t fire a GM until after the draft.  This way if they leave  they can’t share intel with competitors.  Also you don’t put the new GM in a position to do a year’s worth of work in 3 months.

 

I also think that McDermott’s plan involved rebuilding the roster in year 1 before drafting a QB in year 2.  I feel that he knew the gravity and importance of selecting a QB high in R1, and he didn’t trust himself or Whaley’s scouting to make that choice.  

Had they fired Whaley and hired Beane in January, it makes you wonder whether this plan changes.  

[McBean]

Vrabel is a great football coach.

 

I watched His teams because I live in TN and I’m telling you the titans made the worst decision firing him. He won and won big with Ryan Tannehill and a horrible offensive line for years.

 

if you’re into odds, Rex is the favorite to land the job tho.