Jets interviewing Mike Vrabel today

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Oh the guy that took the raiders from 6-10 team to 8-8 team after 3 years? The guy that drafted Clein Ferral number 4 overall. Gruden is the most overrated coach in NFL history. He has parlayed that into legendary status for winning a super bowl in 2002 with Tony Dungy's roster

 

Him going to the Jets, with that media market would be hilarious. The only hire that might be funnier is if they hired Rex again

 

I didnt say he was a good choice, just that he was a legit candidate for the Jets and multiple teams.  In fact, from what I am told he could even have a FO title along with being HC in his next job, which I think would be an even worse decision.  

1 hour ago, Malazan said:

 

Please let them hire Gruden. He's track record is nowhere near what people think it is.. he rarely had a top offense and had more bottom offenses than he did top ones. He missed the playoffs way more than he made them. His rolodex of competent coaches is pretty small these days. It would be beautiful.

 

If the Jets want Vrabel, they need to 'not let him out of the building'. I think if he goes off to talk to other teams, their chance of getting him is extremely low.

 

Agreed, I would rather them hire him than Vrabel.  But I think there is a better chance Gruden goes to the Bears than the Jets

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yeah it was stupid to keep him but I also think McDermott is too much of a control freak to not have a proper amount of time to pick his QB. I get that too. Than again I personally don’t think that picking mahomes would have definitely made the Bills any more successful over the last 8 years. It’s possible but not guaranteed given all the variables. 

 

Yeah, not sure it makes the Bills much better than they are now, but it does make the Chiefs worse and it's almost addition by subtraction (for us anyways).

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

 I think Vrabel would be a solid choice. I don't have confidence that Woody Johnson will make a solid choice. 

 

Honestly, I'm betting before it's all said and done, Jon Gruden is the hire. Woody likes splashy names.

 think even Gruden is too toxic for Woody.

 

If you think he really wants attention, look no further than the old Blowhard Rex Ryan, perfect for the Jets.

[Alphadawg7]

40 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

As there should be.  Gruden Is a hell of a coach and got treated unfairly compared to how others have been. 

 

Im not so sure he is as good as reputation...I think he missed the playoffs 6 of his last 7 years as a HC if I am not mistaken.  And when he was ousted from Tampa Bay, it was because he had lost the locker room and team.  

 

He is going to be a hot candidate when he is back, whether its this year or next, but I think he is overrated personally.  

[Sierra Foothills]

 

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

Gruden has a 117-112 record as a head coach.  He's 5-4 in the playoffs.   Both his regular season and postseason records become sub .500 if we ignore 2002.  

 

So let's look at that season.  It was Gruden's first year in Tampa.  He finished 12-4 and went 3-0 in the playoffs to win the Lombardi.  Did he just ride into the playoffs on Dungy's horse and or did he get the team over the hump?  Warren Sapp observed, "Tony baked the cake and Jon put the icing on it."  Maybe that's a fair take and both deserve credit.  

 

But here's some context.  In the five years before the Super Bowl year, the Bucs won 58 regular season games under Dungy.  In the five years after the SB under Gruden, they won only 36 games.  Post SB, Gruden had a losing record with Tampa.  Some Buc fans rightfully believe that Gruden killed Dungy's horse.  

 

So instead of Vrabel, let the Jets hire Gruden and his lifetime .511 record.  He's basically Marvin Lewis with more personality - sadly including hints of homophobia, misogyny, and racism.  As a owner, player, or fan, I wouldn't want him.

 

Yeah, Gruden is an overrated, egotistical blowhard who has duped many casual fans into thinking he's a good football coach... IMO.

 

2 hours ago, T.E. said:

And the team they played in that Super Bowl was his roster in Oakland. Tony Dungy never got that team over the hump, and he did. Winning a SB is not easy - no coach in our history ever has, as we all know.

 

There's tons of context to the Super Bowl that Gruden "won." This includes but is not restricted to simply outsmarting his former O-line coach, Bill Callahan who became the Raiders coach after Gruden's departure. It also includes Callahan deciding to change the gameplan the Friday before the Super Bowl, to the shock and horror of the Raiders players and coaching staff... which is what caused the Barrett Robbins meltdown... and of course the fact that Callahan didn't change any of the audibles that were used when Gruden was the coach and the Tampa Bay players had a really good idea of what play was gonna be run before the ball was snapped.

 

You wanna talk about a Super Bowl victory that was gift-wrapped...

 

[K D]

Jets are going to have to rebuild. No top coaching candidate would want to go there knowing they will have a bad team for the next 5 years. Belichick was like screw that I'd rather coach in the ACC

[Mat68]

19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh for sure. I'd even argue that was a worse way to handle it than if the Jets were to hire Vrabel and then a GM. At least the Jets know they have to replace both and will do so quickly. Stringing it along and keeping Whaley was a bad move. I understand they didnt want to lose all the scouting work, but we essentially lost out on Mahomes and directly created our biggest hurdle to a Championship because we couldnt take a QB until we had a new GM.

They didn't want to retro fit a scouting department.  Ultimately it paid off.  White, Dawkins and Milano were culture guys.  Beane and Mcdermott from that point knew they were going after a qb in 2018.  Played put great for Buffalo.  

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

What on earth are they thinking?  Interviewing Vrabel when Wrecks is available? Bring in dirty sanchez as OC!  Git er dun Woody!

[GETTOTHE50]

I was hoping he’d never get hired again. I hate seeing his ugly face on tv 

[T.E.]

16 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

Yeah, Gruden is an overrated, egotistical blowhard who has duped many casual fans into thinking he's a good football coach... IMO.

 

 

There's tons of context to the Super Bowl that Gruden "won." This includes but is not restricted to simply outsmarting his former O-line coach, Bill Callahan who became the Raiders coach after Gruden's departure. It also includes Callahan deciding to change the gameplan the Friday before the Super Bowl, to the shock and horror of the Raiders players and coaching staff... which is what caused the Barrett Robbins meltdown... and of course the fact that Callahan didn't change any of the audibles that were used when Gruden was the coach and the Tampa Bay players had a really good idea of what play was gonna be run before the ball was snapped.

 

You wanna talk about a Super Bowl victory that was gift-wrapped...

 

You're splitting a lot of hairs here in regard to a 27-point Super Bowl victory, though I will concede that it was in a completely different era.

[DrDawkinstein]

14 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

They didn't want to retro fit a scouting department.  Ultimately it paid off.  White, Dawkins and Milano were culture guys.  Beane and Mcdermott from that point knew they were going after a qb in 2018.  Played put great for Buffalo.  

 

It has played out alright for the Bills, but until we get past the Chiefs and win our Championship it will always be questionable.

[Sierra Foothills]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

You're splitting a lot of hairs here in regard to a 27-point Super Bowl victory, though I will concede that it was in a completely different era.

 

The outcome was determined before the ball was kicked off.

 

[Billl]

No way the Jets hire Vrabel.  He’s competent.

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Rodgers is as good as gone. He will be cut/released or retire.  Which sucks for us Bills fans as it is removing one poison piece.

 

And if Woody goes back to England, and Chris Johnson takes over again, and brings in Vrabel, it would all be a huge step forward for the Jets.

I thought I read that woody wanted Rodgers back, but either way, they are team without a Qb (with no great options in the draft or FA) and have brutal ownership. No top HC will choose the jets if they have other options. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

On NFL Radio Rich Gannon believes Vrabel will end up in Vegas with Brady.

[Andrew Son]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I thought I read that woody wanted Rodgers back, but either way, they are team without a Qb (with no great options in the draft or FA) and have brutal ownership. No top HC will choose the jets if they have other options. 

They are good at drafting QB's though, look at Geno and Darnold!

[BuffaloBillyG]

37 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 think even Gruden is too toxic for Woody.

 

If you think he really wants attention, look no further than the old Blowhard Rex Ryan, perfect for the Jets.

Here's the thing. Gruden has already been doing work in the NFL. And I really don't think having toxic people around is the determent to Woody as you may think it is.

[Behindenemylines]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Here in the NYC area the media is saying that Mara will sit down with Schoen and Daboll early next week and listen to what they have to say in how they intend to rebuild the Giants. Then he will make a decision after those conversations. It's not a done deal that he cleans house like the Jets are going to do.

The Giants are a very patient organization for certain. I can see them giving another year or two for Daboll and Co. 

[JP51]

44 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I didnt say he was a good choice, just that he was a legit candidate for the Jets and multiple teams.  In fact, from what I am told he could even have a FO title along with being HC in his next job, which I think would be an even worse decision.  

 

Agreed, I would rather them hire him than Vrabel.  But I think there is a better chance Gruden goes to the Bears than the Jets

I will say this he is better than their current coach, I think firing Saleh was a mistake and that he is better than Rex... at least Rex would make it hilarious I think Vrabel would make them a boring team.. But they would play hard

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, ganesh said:

Vrabel in some sense is like McDermott.  He has struggled to get his team over the top...Always solid and very good in the regular season...they could beat any team..but then always choked in the playoffs (2-3 record)

Vrabel seemed to be a little more game day savvy. With a QB like Josh Allen, he may have a title...hint, hint