Cook getting the paid in a few weeks? Only the Bills can do so as Cook has another year left.

[Buffalo ill]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

The Bills don't owe Diggs any more $ after this season 

You missed the point, but feel free to substitute Oliver for diggs in my statement.

[ghostwriter]

I am usually diametrically opposed to signing RBs to monster deals but Cook is just way too good to not to.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, JimBob2232 said:

 

Most of you were not in favor of paying Saquan a couple (or just one) years ago.  Dude has always been special.  The problem is that the Giants are a different type of special...

Haha. Giants still made the right decision not paying Saquon IMO, even though he is a great player

 

If he is on the team, what do they have 5 or 6 wins instead of 3?

 

They have no QB and their O line is a mess- They need to get those positions right first before they pay 15 million to a RB

Edited Saturday at 12:38 AM by BillsFan130

[The Cincinnati Kid]

23 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

With diggs money falling off and not paying a huge WR contract I kind of disagree his big play ability for this team makes him a top 1-2 weapon 

 

I think they could easily fit it under for a few years. 

 

[ghostwriter]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Haha. Giants still made the right decision not paying Saquon IMO, even though he is a great player

 

If he is on the team, what do they have 5 or 6 wins instead of 3?

 

They have no QB and their O line is a mess- They need to get those positions right first before they pay 15 million to a RB

I doubt the Eagles nor the Ravens regret signing Saquon Barkley or Derrick Henry. 

[BillsFan130]

17 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

I doubt the Eagles nor the Ravens regret signing Saquon Barkley or Derrick Henry. 

But they already have their QBs and were established teams.

Giants were 6-11 with Barkley a year ago , a star RB isn't gonna move the needle on a crap team 

Edited Saturday at 01:09 AM by BillsFan130

[ghostwriter]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

But they already have their QBs and were established teams.

Giants were 6-11 with Barkley a year ago , a star RB isn't gonna move the needle on a crap team 

Oh, I agree but it would make sense for Buffalo. If we can get four more healthy seasons out of Cook I’d say he’s worth it.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, ghostwriter said:

Oh, I agree but it would make sense for Buffalo. If we can get four more healthy seasons out of Cook I’d say he’s worth it.

Fair enough, that's definitely debatable.

 

For myself , I wouldn't want the Bills to pay him 10-12 mil. But Cook is definitely a valuable part to their offence so there's that side of it

[TBBills Fan]

29 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

I doubt the Eagles nor the Ravens regret signing Saquon Barkley or Derrick Henry. 

 

12 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

But they already have their QBs and were established teams.

Giants were 6-11 with Barkley a year ago , a star RB isn't gonna move the needle on a crap team 

Point is an elite RB on a team with a QB may be worth it.  

 

Which looking at the changes that occured makes sense

[Eastport bills]

Have to pay him now because in a year the RB market will be big enough to make him unaffordable. He’s really good and getting better. It’s his running and threat on routes out of the backfield that has translated into so much opportunity for different receivers, and Josh running lanes. We haven’t had a back as good as Cook since Shady and before him Thurman. Get him signed.

[TBBills Fan]

Here would be a good poll....

 

How were your feelings about paying RBs before this season compared to now

 

For me, I was in the you absolutely do not pay a RB a second contract before the year started

 

Now, I'm on the fence and definitely see how their could be value...

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

He's improved so much, he could keep improving. 

 

I agree there's still potential upside for Cook.

 

For one thing his pass blocking has clearly gotten better.

 

For another, before this season began people here were criticizing Cook for being a fumbler but he's touched the ball 229 times so far and only fumbled once. So he's improved there too.

 

He's also proven that he's a good short yardage and goal-line back which is something people were dismissive of.

 

It's been commented here about his dropped passes but he was considered a good pass catcher coming out of college and it's far from settled that he has poor hands. IMO Cook could be used more heavily as a receiver and it's something that the team might be keeping under wraps for the playoffs.

 

Cook is blazing fast, quick, twitchy, and explosive. Miraculously he's also very smooth which QBs love. IMO he's been underutilized as a receiver. Put the ball in Cook's hands in the secondary and he's a lethal weapon.

 

[Doc]

37 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Here would be a good poll....

 

How were your feelings about paying RBs before this season compared to now

 

For me, I was in the you absolutely do not pay a RB a second contract before the year started

 

Now, I'm on the fence and definitely see how their could be value...

 

Yeah, they're becoming valuable again.  Especially dual threat ones.

[Einstein's Dog]

For me it's about choices.  I have preferred the strategy of paying a top tier WR and not paying big money at RB.  I would like a move for DK Metcalf over paying for J Cook. 

 

A succession strategy for value RBs could be one more year of J Cook along w R Davis and Ty Johnson.  Grab another mid round RB.  The RB room would then be done on a fantastic budget. 

 

Use the money saved in the RB room to pay for a top tier WR.

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

For me it's about choices.  I have preferred the strategy of paying a top tier WR and not paying big money at RB.  I would like a move for DK Metcalf over paying for J Cook. 

 

A succession strategy for value RBs could be one more year of J Cook along w R Davis and Ty Johnson.  Grab another mid round RB.  The RB room would then be done on a fantastic budget. 

 

Use the money saved in the RB room to pay for a top tier WR.

 

Metcalf's best season in yards was 1303 and for TDs it was 12.  Cook's were 1,567 yards and 17 TDs.  And Cook will be about 1/3 the price.

Edited Saturday at 03:20 AM by Doc

[Beck Water]

50 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I agree there's still potential upside for Cook.

 

For one thing his pass blocking has clearly gotten better.

 

For another, before this season began people here were criticizing Cook for being a fumbler but he's touched the ball 229 times so far and only fumbled once. So he's improved there too.

 

He's also proven that he's a good short yardage and goal-line back which is something people were dismissive of.

 

It's been commented here about his dropped passes but he was considered a good pass catcher coming out of college and it's far from settled that he has poor hands. IMO Cook could be used more heavily as a receiver and it's something that the team might be keeping under wraps for the playoffs.

 

Cook is blazing fast, quick, twitchy, and explosive. Miraculously he's also very smooth which QBs love. IMO he's been underutilized as a receiver. Put the ball in Cook's hands in the secondary and he's a lethal weapon.

 

 

I have never seen Cook run the routes that (say) Ty Johnson has run and make the receptions he has made.

 

Cook may have been a good pass catcher in college, but he's kind of had mixed success with the Bills.  He has definitely dropped some balls that he could have caught, and if he caught them would have been difference makers in games - to the point where the Bills seem to have maybe moved on from him as a dual threat back?  He catches an appropriate RB percent of his targets, but his targets dropped off.  It seems as though last year they were having him run routes and that's stopped.

 

I definitely would like to re-sign Cook but it's going to depend on what the market is and his expectations are.

Edited Saturday at 03:13 AM by Beck Water

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I have never seen Cook run the routes that (say) Ty Johnson has run and make the receptions he has made.

 

Cook may have been a good pass catcher in college, but he's kind of had mixed success with the Bills.  He has definitely dropped some balls that he could have caught, and if he caught them would have been difference makers in games - to the point where the Bills seem to have maybe moved on from him as a dual threat back?  He catches an appropriate RB percent of his targets, but his targets dropped off.  It seems as though last year they were having him run routes and that's stopped.

 

I definitely would like to re-sign Cook but it's going to depend on what the market is and his expectations are.

I agree. The best example I can give you to illustrate your point:

Eagles game last year: Cook on the 1st or 2nd drive is sent on a wheel route and drops an easy touchdown

 

Lions game this year? They had Ty Johnson in running a very similar route on that 1st drive, and completed a 40 yard pass.

 

Their messaging is pretty clear that they prefer having Ty Johnson in on passing downs. (Pass pro and running routes)

[Sierra Foothills]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I have never seen Cook run the routes that (say) Ty Johnson has run and make the receptions he has made.

 

Cook may have been a good pass catcher in college, but he's kind of had mixed success with the Bills.  He has definitely dropped some balls that he could have caught, and if he caught them would have been difference makers in games - to the point where the Bills seem to have maybe moved on from him as a dual threat back?  He catches an appropriate RB percent of his targets, but his targets dropped off.  It seems as though last year they were having him run routes and that's stopped.

 

I definitely would like to re-sign Cook but it's going to depend on what the market is and his expectations are.

 

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I agree. The best example I can give you to illustrate your point:

Eagles game last year: Cook on the 1st or 2nd drive is sent on a wheel route and drops an easy touchdown

 

Lions game this year? They had Ty Johnson in running a very similar route on that 1st drive, and completed a 40 yard pass.

 

Their messaging is pretty clear that they prefer having Ty Johnson in on passing downs. (Pass pro and running routes)

 

The topic of my post is the ability for Cook to improve... as stated he's improved his pass protection, his ball protection, and his short-yardage, goal-line running.

 

The point is that catching the ball is the final area of untapped improvement. He's actually dropped 3 TD passes that I can remember... against the Dolphins, the Jaguars, and the Eagles. What these TD drops also mean is that he's uncoverable. If he can regain trust as a receiver, the sky is the limit for him.

 

And we can't simply assume Ty Johnson will be back with the Bills next year either so that's another moving part that in the long term, affects Cook's usage and his upside.

 

 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Metcalf's best seasons in yards was 1303 and for TDs it was 12.  Cook this year has 1,239 yards and 17 TDs.  And Cook will be about 1/3 the price.

The point is to fill the boundary WR with a top tier talent.  It's a harder position to fill than RB and is not cheap. 

 

To do that the Bills have generally used a value approach to the RB position.

 

J Cook looks like he will want at least $8M/season.  That could be allocated to the boundary WR.  RBs are more easily replaced in the draft.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

13 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

The topic of my post is the ability for Cook to improve... as stated he's improved his pass protection, his ball protection, and his short-yardage, goal-line running.

 

The point is that catching the ball is the final area of untapped improvement. He's actually dropped 3 TD passes that I can remember... against the Dolphins, the Jaguars, and the Eagles. What these TD drops also mean is that he's uncoverable. If he can regain trust as a receiver, the sky is the limit for him.

 

And we can't simply assume Ty Johnson will be back with the Bills next year either so that's another moving part that in the long term, affects Cook's usage and his upside.

 

 

 

Ya that's fair, My point was separate from predicting James cooks future.
 

Just observing what I have noticed from the bills utilizing Ty Johnson more over cook compared to last year in the passing game