Pats* to release Yannick Ngakoue

[Dan]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

I have no hate for Dorian at all. 

But let's be realistic - he's a 2nd year guy just learning to play the OLB position on the Bills.  He was observed to be in the wrong gap or out of position on a number of plays.  That's not hate, it is what it is.  It's his first year playing, first year players make mistakes.

 

I want to see him succeed, and see the Bills succeed, and needing to play Williams at a position he's never played as far as I can tell (MLB) and where one of his duties would be to call the plays and get the other players into position - in a playoff game (!!!!!)- is not the path for success either for him, OR for the Bills.  

 

If he has to start at OLB, OK - he did that for most of the season.  But not at MLB, not wearing the green dot and calling the plays.

So your answer is to start an end season cut and waiver wire find as the MLB… over a guy that has been on the team since Training Camp and leads the team in tackles?  
 

That makes zero sense.  

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, Dan said:

So your answer is to start an end season cut and waiver wire find as the MLB… over a guy that has been on the team since Training Camp and leads the team in tackles?  
 

That makes zero sense.  

 

It depends on who is there, right?  We're not talking find someone better than Bernard.  We're talking find someone who knows how to play MLB. 

 

Which Williams, as of yet, does not.  

 

We'll see how Buffalo Joe handles himself.

"Cuts" and "waiver wire" are the same thing, by the way - the second choice I mentioned was practice squad.  Teams do carry vets on their practice squads.  Let's pull an example from the Bills PS.  We've been carrying Will Clapp on our PS all season.  He's a 7 year vet.  He's started 21 games in the NFL.  

 

Is he better than McGovern?  Obviously not.  Is he better than Sedrick Van Pran Granger?  Granger has more potential and more likelihood to get sniped if he were put on the PS, so unclear - maybe, maybe not.

 

If a playoff team had an injury to their starting C that put them on IR and needed depth behind their backup, would Clapp be someone they might try to sign off our PS?  Could be a better choice for them than trying to move a 2nd year guard, who is still learning to be a guard, over to C.

 

I don't know who might be out there on a PS or, on IR but who thinks he's recovered enough to ask for an injury settlement.

Edited Thursday at 07:56 PM by Beck Water

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We need a pass rush in the playoffs esp if we see KC and or Cinci

Agree, but we also need to stop the run in the playoffs especially if we see Henry, Pacheco, Dobbins ect. 

[todd]

A question we should always ask about signing a player is what corresponding cut would you make? 

[JP51]

I get the allure of trying to improve... I guess I am not making any moves going into the playoffs with this team unless it is a clear upgrade especially at a position of need and there is a locker room fit... not sure YN is that guy.

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Agree, but we also need to stop the run in the playoffs especially if we see Henry, Pacheco, Dobbins ect. 

I wonder if any BIG DT's will get released by next week so we can bring them in.

[Max Fischer]

Which Bill does he replace? I say no one. Now if Calais Campbell . . .

 

The dream is for a run-stuffing DT to make their way on to the roster. 

 

[RiotAct]

Yannick! At the Disco.

[Logic]

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

One of the most fun names to say, so he’s got that going for him…which is nice.

[Sierra Foothills]

I've heard of him!!!

 

9 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

Any chance he survives to the Bills on waivers?  I'm thinking Balt picks him up.  

 

After waiving him less than 2 months ago?

 

[ProcessTruster]

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So the guy was just waived for a boneheaded roughing the passer decision; he hasn't been impactful enough for the Patriots to overlook it - 9 tackles and 2 QB hits in 6 games where he played like 40% of the snaps -  and you want to bring him in here?

 

Dude.

 

For comparison, Dawuane Smoot has 16 tackles and 4 QB hits in 10 games, 29% of the snaps.

 

I'm thinking Baltimore waived him in November for a reason.

The only position where I'm hoping Beane and his minions are speed-scrutinizing the waiver wire and other team's practice squads is LB because right now if Bernard can't go we're kind of hosed.  I do NOT want to see Dorian Williams trying to play MLB.

Dorian will not be playing MLB, he never has.

 

I believe the depth chart is Spector then Buffalo Joe, maybe Morrow?   This could end up being a problem.  

[Kelly to Allen]

Gotta wonder if it's just a swap of Shavers. And Morrow to the ps. 

 

Maybe they want the extra explosiveness and depth at wr

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Ugh … THIS guy again. He seems to be floating around every season at this time because he’s a “name” who once had a good season in a universe long long ago … There’s a reason he’s ALWAYS available 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

Dorian will not be playing MLB, he never has.

 

I believe the depth chart is Spector then Buffalo Joe, maybe Morrow?   This could end up being a problem.  

 

Exactly my point.  The depth chart has been Bernard - Spector - Buffalo Joe

Spector is on IR and not available until (if applicable) the Conference Championship Game

So now the depth chart is Bernard - Buffalo Joe - and who?

 

Matt Milano has never played MLB.  Dorian Williams has not played MLB in the NFL (don’t know about college).  

Edefuan Ulofoshio hasn’t played defense in the NFL as of yet.

 

Nicholas Morrow is a dark horse to me.  He’s been in the league since 2017.  He’s started in the league for 3 teams (Raiders, Chicago, Eagles) playing at OLB.  He bounced from the practice squad to the active roster for the Eagles last year and this year for the Bills.  He hasn’t so much as taken a defensive snap.  If we think Bernard is undersized at 227, Morrow is playing at 216?  I’m not sure what the plan or thinking is with Morrow, except it doesn’t sound as though we want to see him at MLB.

 

That’s why I feel Beane and Co better be keeping an eye on the cutout bin and scrutinizing the practice squads around the league.

[familykwi]

12 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-to-waive-veteran-edge-rusher-ahead-of-regular-season-finale/ar-AA1wLECr?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=722e06b5dcbf453c9400965defd7fc76&ei=14

 

Did not see this on here yet, if it is, Mods please merge.  

 

Any chance he survives to the Bills on waivers?  I'm thinking Balt picks him up.  

His impact years are LONG gone.  Let him be someone else's bother

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Nicholas Morrow is a dark horse to me.  He’s been in the league since 2017.  He’s started in the league for 3 teams (Raiders, Chicago, Eagles) playing at OLB.  He bounced from the practice squad to the active roster for the Eagles last year and this year for the Bills.  He hasn’t so much as taken a defensive snap.  If we think Bernard is undersized at 227, Morrow is playing at 216?  I’m not sure what the plan or thinking is with Morrow, except it doesn’t sound as though we want to see him at MLB.

 

 

Sadly, yes he has taken a snap. When Babich panicked after the Derrick Henry first snap touchdown and tried to play base the next two drives Nicholas Morrow came in to play SAM and the Ravens took Henry out, matched Justice Hill up on Morrow and violated him in coverage for two drives. He is terrible. 

 

When the Bills have talked about Morrow going back to camp before he was cut and re-signed they talked about him having ability to play MLB and OLB. But he sucks. If we get down to him being on the field we are dead.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sadly, yes he has taken a snap. When Babich panicked after the Derrick Henry first snap touchdown and tried to play base the next two drives Nicholas Morrow came in to play SAM and the Ravens took Henry out, matched Justice Hill up on Morrow and violated him in coverage for two drives. He is terrible. 

 

When the Bills have talked about Morrow going back to camp before he was cut and re-signed they talked about him having ability to play MLB and OLB. But he sucks. If we get down to him being on the field we are dead.

He is another Ramon Humber. a big slow terrible LB vet. Always gotta have one on the roster.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He is another Ramon Humber. a big slow terrible LB vet. Always gotta have one on the roster.

 

In fairness Humber was different circumstances. Originally signed by Whaley to be a special teamer he was retained in 2017 just while they were in the process of turning over the roster. He was let go pretty quick after that. I never really understood keeping Morrow on the 53 and then bringing him back after cutting him was odd other than "he knows the scheme." 

[Sierra Foothills]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He is another Ramon Humber. a big slow terrible LB vet. Always gotta have one on the roster.

 

That's weird... I remember Humber as being small but fast.

 

My memory can be pretty bad though.