Our offensive depth is so good that players are playing in ideal positions

[BillsFan619]

Me and @NewEra started a good convo in the “Ty Johnson wife’s sign” thread that I thought would be a good thread on its own.

 

NewEra said, “Our depth at the (RB) position is fierce. As is WR, TE and OL…while we may be lacking top tier talent across the board, our offensive depth is impressive.  Beating KC without our last 2 1st rd picks,  both playmakers, is a testament to that.”

I said “We have such good to really good offensive players that it allows each player to play in the number role (ie- TE2, WR3, RB1) that they’ll do best in, be most effective in and be most dangerous in. We have it with Kincaid and Knox. We have it with our WRs, which was one reason I’m so glad we got Cooper. And, we have it with our RBs as well.”

 

Gabe Davis is a great example of this in a previous offense. He was a great WR3, but then struggled to become a great WR2 after (he wasn’t a bad WR2).

 

This year though, we have it at every weapon position: WR, TE and RB. This is one reason our offense is so dangerous and playoff ready.

 

Props to Beane and McD especially with what they had to work with cap-wise. Bring on the playoffs!

 

Go Bills!

Edited December 31, 2024 by BillsFan619

[BearNorth]

The best weapon we have is at QB.  He raises the level of everyone on the field with him, and he has reduced his giveaways by an order of magnitude.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Josh Allen would be an absolutely dominant tight end

[3rdand12]

43 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Me and @NewEra started a good convo in the “Ty Johnson wife’s sign” thread that I thought would be a good thread on its own.

 

NewEra said, “Our depth at the (RB) position is fierce. As is WR, TE and OL…while we may be lacking top tier talent across the board, our offensive depth is impressive.  Beating KC without our last 2 1st rd picks,  both playmakers, is a testament to that.”

I said “We have such good to really good offensive players that it allows each player to play in the number role (ie- TE2, WR3, RB1) that they’ll do best in, be most effective in and be most dangerous in. We have it with Kincaid and Knox. We have it with our WRs, which was one reason I’m so glad we got Cooper. And, we have it with our RBs as well.”

 

Gabe Davis is a great example of this in a previous offense. He was a great WR3, but then struggled to become a great WR2 after (he wasn’t a bad WR2).

 

This year though, we have it at every weapon position: WR, TE and RB. This is one reason our offense is so dangerous and playoff ready.

 

Props to Beane and McD especially with what they had to work with cap-wise. Bring on the playoffs!

 

Go Bills!

I agree muchly, depth has become a focus of Beane during his tenure.

This year show pretty danged strong on offense. Even Receivers. No stars but everyone can run and catch it seems.

 Josh is pleased

 Good points to bring up for discussion as well TY

2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I agree muchly, depth has become a focus of Beane during his tenure.

This year show pretty danged strong on offense. Even Receivers. No stars but everyone can run and catch it seems.

 Josh is pleased

 Good points to bring up for discussion as well TY

That move to center we most all thought might be a liability.
Maybe one of the better adjustments post Morse ?

[BearNorth]

36 minutes ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:

Josh Allen would be an absolutely dominant tight end

If he were a tight end, there would be a lot of 6-1 195 pound strong safeties that would be contemplating a career change.  He also might retire the angry runs sceptre.

[Chandler#81]

I agree. Van Pran Granger , Gouraige (sp?), Doyle, VanDemark & Clapp very good players, learning from an exceptional coach and the players in front of them.

[dwight in philly]

Kromer is a difference maker..

[Shaw66]

30 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

That move to center we most all thought might be a liability.
Maybe one of the better adjustments post Morse ?

You know, the Morse replacement thing is a good example of how little we know.  It's obvious now that the Bills had a high degree of confidence that McGovern beside Torrence would be a fierce combo, and that Edwards could do the job. 

 

Some or a lot of the credit has to go to Aaron Kromer. 

 

But the point is, we don't really understand what these guys can do and can't do; McDermott and his staff are good at that evaluation. 

 

How we all felt about Bernard going into 2023 is another example. Receiver by committee is another. 

 

 

[3rdand12]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

You know, the Morse replacement thing is a good example of how little we know.  It's obvious now that the Bills had a high degree of confidence that McGovern beside Torrence would be a fierce combo, and that Edwards could do the job. 

 

Some or a lot of the credit has to go to Aaron Kromer. 

 

But the point is, we don't really understand what these guys can do and can't do; McDermott and his staff are good at that evaluation. 

 

How we all felt about Bernard going into 2023 is another example. Receiver by committee is another. 

 

 

yes do agree.
I recall all the discussions generally about Our thoughts about Center post Morstem  (sorry)

And Left guard. Lost of speculation for sure. 

 Kromer

Loved this guy well before Beach Chairs Was thrilled to get him back. Not unfounded by me either !

Took a year or two but.  O line is my favorite to watch at the snap this year. Fun guys having fun in the run game  

[ProcessTruster]

I agree that the Bills depth was instrumental in them being a top 5 regular season team for the past several years, perhaps turning in the best regular season in the league.   Having a top 5 QB is a huge factor as well.   I am thoroughly enjoying the Bills beating the crap out of the rest of the league.  

 

"The Process" everyone on this board likes to sh-t on, ie, continual roster improvement 12 months a year with quality/high character guys has made it so.   Beane and McD have made this happen, no one else.  

 

Unfortunately, the NFL is not like the Premier League where No. 1 in the regular season is No. 1, period. 

 

My point to the OP is that Depth doesn't mean much in the league/media-manufactured, single elimination tournament that is the NFL Playoffs.   If you don't win the Super Bowl, so it goes, your season is a failure and your team and organization needs to "figure out what went wrong!" and change a bunch of sh-t. .  What a bunch of BS.   All kinds of random events can swing that one playoff game that you win or lose

 

The real test of success in the NFL is how you come out of a 4+ month regular season playing 17 games.   That test tells you who built the best organization and team , including the depth (as pointed out in the OP) needed to win when your starters are out. 

 

As Belichek always says, "you are what your record says you are" .   He doesn't talk much about Super Bowl wins.  He talks about preparation, winning, doing your job.   The "process" that leads to winning, and yeah, maybe a couple tournament wins as well , to boot. 

 

The media asks "well, you didn't win the tournament, therefore something is wrong and needs to be fixed now!'.   So many fans fall into this trap as well.  

 

 

 

[Since1981]

Brady is using Beanne Swiss army properly.
1) heavy package with Anderson wow OL6

2) Ty RB3, yah!

3) Shakira, his YAC don’t lie. WR3

4) Reggie. Josh butt. FB, really. 

Four examples of using the right skills, right place, right BRADY 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I agree. Van Pran Granger , Gouraige (sp?), Doyle, VanDemark & Clapp very good players, learning from an exceptional coach and the players in front of them.

 

Is Doyle still actually on the team?? LOL  Thought he was let go with an injury settlement or something??  I noticed it on Allens X-Mas gift, first time I'd seen his name mentioned in months. 

 

I do think Van Pran Granger , Gouraige (sp?),  VanDemark, and Anderson are all very good backups too.  That was one of the big concerns if any of the starters got hurt, our backups basically were all inexperienced.  At this point all have a year under their belt and cheap contracts.  Beane could consider trading one of them as barring  injury can't see any of them getting on the field over the life of their rookie contract.

 

[klos63]

6 hours ago, BearNorth said:

The best weapon we have is at QB.  He raises the level of everyone on the field with him, and he has reduced his giveaways by an order of magnitude.

2nd best weapon is our oline. We have 3 RB's that are very effective and Allen has so much time to throw.  One big reason for the reduced giveaways is the time he has to find an open receiver. 

[billieve420]

I think it goes to show outside of having Franchise QB position is the 5 guys blocking up front. 

[MasterStrategist]

Our depth is absolutely better and Cook is a borderline upper echelon RB, improving each year.

 

Said it in August and will say it again:

1. Decrease offensive turnovers

2. Improve playcalling

3. Improve OL play

4. Improved situational football/redzone efficiency

 

Every box above has been checked.  Brady has done an excellent job putting our guys in great position and Josh has vastly improved decision making.  When you see that and a run game become a major part of our offense, you win a ton a games.

 

Not discounting the depth, but best thing Beane and McD did was promote Brady to OC and get Josh to take on a greater leadership role/loosen the reigns and put him in more control.

[Richard Noggin]

6 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:

Josh Allen would be an absolutely dominant tight end

 

TE2

 

(In the spirit of the OP)

[NickelCity]

6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I agree. Van Pran Granger , Gouraige (sp?), Doyle, VanDemark & Clapp very good players, learning from an exceptional coach and the players in front of them.

 

Anderson, Van Demark, VPG, Gouriage, Grable...and behind the starting line we have. I've been asking for this OLine and depth since...well, decades. I hope we manage the next several years well. Would be a shame to squander our talent pipeline.

[GolfandBills]

The lack of production at outside WR is a little worrisome for me going into the playoffs… Obviously our defense the major weak link but hopefully we can get better production on the outside going forward 

[Simon]

7 hours ago, Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD said:

Josh Allen would be an absolutely dominant tight end

 

He could be but he'd probably get himself killed before he had a chance to really develop.

[Mikie2times]

6 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

I agree that the Bills depth was instrumental in them being a top 5 regular season team for the past several years, perhaps turning in the best regular season in the league.   Having a top 5 QB is a huge factor as well.   I am thoroughly enjoying the Bills beating the crap out of the rest of the league.  

 

"The Process" everyone on this board likes to sh-t on, ie, continual roster improvement 12 months a year with quality/high character guys has made it so.   Beane and McD have made this happen, no one else.  

 

Unfortunately, the NFL is not like the Premier League where No. 1 in the regular season is No. 1, period. 

 

My point to the OP is that Depth doesn't mean much in the league/media-manufactured, single elimination tournament that is the NFL Playoffs.   If you don't win the Super Bowl, so it goes, your season is a failure and your team and organization needs to "figure out what went wrong!" and change a bunch of sh-t. .  What a bunch of BS.   All kinds of random events can swing that one playoff game that you win or lose

 

The real test of success in the NFL is how you come out of a 4+ month regular season playing 17 games.   That test tells you who built the best organization and team , including the depth (as pointed out in the OP) needed to win when your starters are out. 

 

As Belichek always says, "you are what your record says you are" .   He doesn't talk much about Super Bowl wins.  He talks about preparation, winning, doing your job.   The "process" that leads to winning, and yeah, maybe a couple tournament wins as well , to boot. 

 

The media asks "well, you didn't win the tournament, therefore something is wrong and needs to be fixed now!'.   So many fans fall into this trap as well.  

 

 

 

So our inability to advance past a certain round for several years or the Patriots and Chiefs ability to consistently do so is just randomness? It shouldn’t matter how a team does in the playoffs when evaluating the best team? 

Maybe actual difference makers become more important come playoff time and maybe as nice as “The Process” sounds it doesn’t create difference makers?