Joe Brady has created the NFL version of "Total Football" - it's historic

[Danger Mouse]

6 minutes ago, JMM said:

He's done a really good job. But...um...JOSH ALLEN. 

 

ringo was the ideal man for the beatles.

[appoo]

As someone who loves both kinds of football I dig it. And I especially love the Lions game as the prime example when you had you RB3 making down field explosive plays...in the pass game

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, MPT said:

One of Dorsey's best qualities was his mesh concepts which seem to have mostly vanished.

 

Hmm I feel the exact opposite, that if anything Brady over-relies on mesh especially on 3rd/4th downs. That's been a staple of our offense all year.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

Something he has done for years - see Devin Singletary, Gabe Davis, Ty Johnson last year and you could even argue Dawson Knox a couple years back.

I'm not here to say Joe Brady is doing a poor job - he's clearly not. There have been some boneheaded calls, but he's generally done well from what I can see. There's a big gap between doing a great job and historic, best OC of all time though. Joe Brady isn't exploiting defenses with playcalls in a way we've never seen before. This isn't a prime Brady or Manning squad where we are an unstoppable juggernaut picking defenses apart systematically with no way to stop us.

The difference between our squad this year and during Dorsey's reign last season was that Josh has finally bought into, and figured out the message that was being preached going all the way back to the start of last season, and maybe even earlier - Be smart with the football, and trust the open man. He's not looking to heave it downfield, taking off and running at the first sign of distress, or whip the ball into tight windows or multiple coverages nearly as much as he was doing so in years prior.

In short, he looks boring a lot of the time, and boring is exactly what it takes to win consistently against top competition. Brady and Mahomes mastered the art of being boring. Manning never really did until his body told him he didn't have any other choice. Josh finally figured it out and by not putting on the cape every play, he may win his first MVP, and if he can keep evolving as he gets older, it probably won't be his last.

How much credit does Brady get for that? Certainly some, because he's shepherding it, but it wasn't his idea and the catalyst for our success is still mostly Allen.

 

The difference between this and the Dorsey reign is night and day. I also think this thread is hyperbolic nonsense by the way, but Joe Brady is streets ahead of Ken Dorsey as an OC. Brady is a really good offensive mind. Dorsey was just a guy here calling plays. 

 

Josh is the most important man to this offense, of course he is. Quarterback always matters most. But Brady is the second most important.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The difference between this and the Dorsey reign is night and day. I also think this thread is hyperbolic nonsense by the way, but Joe Brady is streets ahead of Ken Dorsey as an OC. Brady is a really good offensive mind. Dorsey was just a guy here calling plays. 

 

Josh is the most important man to this offense, of course he is. Quarterback always matters most. But Brady is the second most important.

Dorsey was a bad OC.

 

I think I can name one play that he actually won with scheme in his entire tenure. The fake QB sweep jump ball to Davis in the 2022 opener against LA.

 

Brady has had a dozen or so this season alone.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Dorsey was a bad OC.

 

I think I can name one play that he actually won with scheme in his entire tenure. The fake QB sweep jump ball to Davis in the 2022 opener against LA.

 

Brady has had a dozen or so this season alone.

 

Yep. Exactly the same play is the standout for me.

[Sharky7337]

Josh Allen has made a few guys look real smart. 

[BillsSonWilson]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Joe Brady may very well go down as one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of football. He has done what no other team in the history of the NFL has done...become prolific in a historical context with no true #1 WR, no 1,000 yard WR and no 1,000 yard rusher thru 16 games.

 

Essentially, he has created the NFL version of "Total Football" that was pioneered by The Netherlands with their great "Orange Crush" teams of the 1970s with Johann Cruyff as their star. Anybody can be the "go to guy" in any given week, and anyone can make the key play.  You cannot simply "take away" one player, the Bills offense is diversified in a way that no other offense has been in the history of the NFL. Just like on those Netherland teams, they don't have true "positions" as thought of by other teams. People are lining up all over the place to create matchups that favor the BIlls dependent on who they are playing.

 

Think I am going too far?  I am not. Consider:

 

1. Points per drive. The 2024 Bills are averaging 3.12 points/drive - In the history of the NFL, only the 2007 Patriots have averaged more at 3.19.  The only other teams above 3 are the 2018 Chiefs, the 2013 Broncos and the 2001 Rams.  All of them featured multiple stars and HOF players.  We are essentially doing what the most prolific offenses in NFL history have done without the supporting casts to do it.
2. 2024 Bills tied an all-time NFL record with 8 straight 30+ point games.
3. 2024 Bills tied an all-time NFL record with 13 different players catching a TD pass.
4. 2024 Bills set a franchise record for most points and TDs in a season and have the highest points per game at 31.8 thru 16 games
5. Josh Allen leads the NFL in EPA/play
6. 2024 Bills set a franchise record for 40+ point games with 4
7. 2024 Bills set a franchise record for 30+ point games with 12

 

Brady is the very definition of doing more with less and doing it in ways where no one person can be keyed on by the defense, meaning they have to be prepared for anyone to beat them at anytime.  This was never more apparent than during the Lions game when Ty Johnson, a 3rd down RB was our leading receiver with over 100 yards, our "#1 WR" Amari Cooper wasn't even targeted and the Bills rolled up 559 yards of offense and 48 points and were so unstoppable that it forced the opposing coach to try a desperation onside kick with 12 minutes to go in the 4th quarter only down 10 points.

 

I am not sure there has ever been a better job done at OC in NFL history considering what Brady had to work with and how he fit together his gameplans to attack the opposing teams weaknesses and create an ever shifting target for who they would try to stop on offense.  The level of absurdity with how good this offense has been with a bunch of "no names" for the most part on it is absurd.  Patently absurd. If Brady does not win assistant coach of the year in the NFL, they should just throw the award away because it has no meaning.

 

Wow... great post and stats. Allen is our Cruyff and the accomplishment is impossible without them. But you're absolutely right, without Brady this never happens.  On a more minor note as well, with Diggs this never happens.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

And if the Bengals miss the playoffs, I would not be surprised for it to be in Cincy...and good God, may He help us if he is re-united with Burrow and Chase.

 

You mean their ridiculous stats could be better?

 

Taylor isn’t going anywhere. 
 

But Higgins is.  
 

And that team’s window has to stay open with Burrow at 40 - 50 plus mill a year and Chase at 30 plus mill.  
 

Good luck with that.  

[Chaos]

Is this the same total offense that saw Allen score 6 tds and have 400 of 450 yards.  This really is not at all similar to the Dutch soccer teams. 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

Here's the deal.  I don't know if Joe Brady is a great leader of men, or a great culture creator.  I have no idea.  I really appreciate McDermott and what he has meant for the Bills and his record of regular season success with Allen has been awesome.  I have never been on that train calling for McD to be let go.

 

BUT,  if the Bills lose in the Wild Card round or Divisional I'd shake his hand if I were ownership, thank McD and name Joe Brady as the head coach.  Why?  because Joe is going to get a head coach job somewhere in the offseason and it might as well be here.  He's not only close with the franchise QB, he's been really really good for the entire offense.  

If you think the Bills are where they are in spite of McDermott and not because of him,I don't know what to tell you 

[Niagara Dude]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Joe Brady may very well go down as one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of football. He has done what no other team in the history of the NFL has done...become prolific in a historical context with no true #1 WR, no 1,000 yard WR and no 1,000 yard rusher thru 16 games.

 

Essentially, he has created the NFL version of "Total Football" that was pioneered by The Netherlands with their great "Orange Crush" teams of the 1970s with Johann Cruyff as their star. Anybody can be the "go to guy" in any given week, and anyone can make the key play.  You cannot simply "take away" one player, the Bills offense is diversified in a way that no other offense has been in the history of the NFL. Just like on those Netherland teams, they don't have true "positions" as thought of by other teams. People are lining up all over the place to create matchups that favor the BIlls dependent on who they are playing.

 

Think I am going too far?  I am not. Consider:

 

1. Points per drive. The 2024 Bills are averaging 3.12 points/drive - In the history of the NFL, only the 2007 Patriots have averaged more at 3.19.  The only other teams above 3 are the 2018 Chiefs, the 2013 Broncos and the 2001 Rams.  All of them featured multiple stars and HOF players.  We are essentially doing what the most prolific offenses in NFL history have done without the supporting casts to do it.
2. 2024 Bills tied an all-time NFL record with 8 straight 30+ point games.
3. 2024 Bills tied an all-time NFL record with 13 different players catching a TD pass.
4. 2024 Bills set a franchise record for most points and TDs in a season and have the highest points per game at 31.8 thru 16 games
5. Josh Allen leads the NFL in EPA/play
6. 2024 Bills set a franchise record for 40+ point games with 4
7. 2024 Bills set a franchise record for 30+ point games with 12

 

Brady is the very definition of doing more with less and doing it in ways where no one person can be keyed on by the defense, meaning they have to be prepared for anyone to beat them at anytime.  This was never more apparent than during the Lions game when Ty Johnson, a 3rd down RB was our leading receiver with over 100 yards, our "#1 WR" Amari Cooper wasn't even targeted and the Bills rolled up 559 yards of offense and 48 points and were so unstoppable that it forced the opposing coach to try a desperation onside kick with 12 minutes to go in the 4th quarter only down 10 points.

 

I am not sure there has ever been a better job done at OC in NFL history considering what Brady had to work with and how he fit together his gameplans to attack the opposing teams weaknesses and create an ever shifting target for who they would try to stop on offense.  The level of absurdity with how good this offense has been with a bunch of "no names" for the most part on it is absurd.  Patently absurd. If Brady does not win assistant coach of the year in the NFL, they should just throw the award away because it has no meaning.

I will hold out until the playoffs,  I'm still not sold on Brady and think he can he too run heavy.  I hope he proves me wrong 

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If you think the Bills are where they are in spite of McDermott and not because of him,I don't know what to tell you 

Each year of the mcdermott era 7 other coaches finished as deep or deeper in the playoffs.  He is a solid coach.  He is certainly not a unique irreplaceable coach. 

[Lfod]

3 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Buffalo at that time was 5-5 and falling on its face offensively! Losses to the NY Jets-Jags-Patriots-Bengals-Broncos. Then under Brady the Bills won 6 straight and made the playoffs. 

 

Plain and simple Ken Dorsey stunk and was a much lesser version of Daboll. McD did the right thing by firing him. BTW, how is Cleveland doing with him as OC?

3-13? 

 

P.S. gotta love watching an O linemen going in motion during a play. 

 

I don't disagree with what your saying in fact in supports how I feel. Dabs got Josh rocking and went off to fix Daniel Jones and failed. 

 

Dorsey picked up the reigns and people were crowning him before he flamed out. Although lets be honest even if Dorsey was decent he still would fail with the Browns they are a clown shoe. Dorsey is the ex girl that makes your new girl look even better.

 

The odds are if two previous OCs went on to fail then...

 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

I will hold out until the playoffs,  I'm still not sold on Brady and think he can he too run heavy.  I hope he proves me wrong 

 

You do realize he was the OC last year in the playoffs right?

[bmur66]

I am not annointing anybody anything yet.

[Richard Noggin]

Totally valid to celebrate Brady's effectiveness since taking over last year. Offense has been humming almost every week in 2024. 

 

However, some of the hyperbole about Brady doing an historic and all-time great job need to be tempered with the continual reminder that he has a TRULY historic and all-time QB in his absolute prime right now. Some credit to Brady for Allen's level of performance is likely deserved, but the Bills roll out the best QB and one of the best OLs week after week, and have serious talent elsewhere (especially since acquisition of Cooper and flashes of Coleman) throughout the skill positions. 

 

Kudos to both McDermott and definitely Brady for a serious emphasis on true offensive balance; McDermott has always wanted this kind of physicality and versatility. He let Daboll cook for a couple seasons and get away from that vision, and it nearly worked, but in general this has been the goal.

 

Love the way (I assume) Brady must be collaborating closely with Kromer. I see his imprint on this offense as well, among other experienced offensive coaches (some of whom are former coordinators). 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Dorsey was a bad OC.

 

I think I can name one play that he actually won with scheme in his entire tenure. The fake QB sweep jump ball to Davis in the 2022 opener against LA.

 

Brady has had a dozen or so this season alone.

 

The thing Brady does very well is sequence progressions. Dorsey's reads were scattershot and it made everything look clunky with Allen's eyes going all over the place. One side was the man beater, the other side was the zone beater. That's amateur stuff, NFL DCs aren't going to let you off the hook with that. Brady on the other hand has Allen following a natural progression where each route should be breaking open right when Allen's eyes get there. I'm still not convinced Brady is overly creative like some of the top offensive minds, and Allen has certainly saved his lunch a few dozen times, but it's hard to argue with the results.

 

For his next step, as we enter the playoffs I'd like to see him develop the vertical game more. He has the horizontal game down, A+ on that. Time to get a few more explosives and really open the entire field. Call a few shots to Cooper when he's 1v1. Who cares if the CB has vertical leverage? Brandin Echols just found out that doesn't mean much with Cooper's catch radius. Make defenses afraid to leave him all alone outside and that will open up everything else.

[Royale with Cheese]

18 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

The hyperbole here is off the charts.

Just checking, the guy still has Josh Allen right?

Andy Reid has Patrick Mahomes and they haven’t scored over 30 points once this season.

 

Remind me who said the Bills WR core this year was the worst in 40 years?

Edited December 31, 2024 by Royale with Cheese

[I'mBuff]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If you think the Bills are where they are in spite of McDermott and not because of him,I don't know what to tell you 

The Bills are where they are because of Allen, any other thoughts are delusional.