Joe Brady has created the NFL version of "Total Football" - it's historic

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The hyperbole here is off the charts.

Just checking, the guy still has Josh Allen right?

 

That is irrelevant. All those other teams had all-time QB's as well. What separates this team is that there is nobody at an All-Pro or HOF caliber level on offense outside of Allen, whereas the other teams had multiple players at that level outside the QB.  

 

Effectively Allen is elevating the people around him at off the chart levels.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Big Turk

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

It boils down to how much credit you want to give Joe Hines-Brady and how much you want to give Josh.

 

In light of the data, it's unfair to not give Hines-Brady high marks.

 

Even if you want to give more credit to Josh than to Hines-Brady, you have to ask yourself: Why is Josh playing so well, especially compared to how he was playing under Dorsey?

 

Give credit where it's due.

OL and run game are huge factors. This is a true SB caliber offense 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Here's the deal.  I don't know if Joe Brady is a great leader of men, or a great culture creator.  I have no idea.  I really appreciate McDermott and what he has meant for the Bills and his record of regular season success with Allen has been awesome.  I have never been on that train calling for McD to be let go.

 

BUT,  if the Bills lose in the Wild Card round or Divisional I'd shake his hand if I were ownership, thank McD and name Joe Brady as the head coach.  Why?  because Joe is going to get a head coach job somewhere in the offseason and it might as well be here.  He's not only close with the franchise QB, he's been really really good for the entire offense.  

I would actually be fine with this as it would ensure Josh had the same offensive play caller the rest of his career.  Pegula would never make that bold of move though.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That is irrelevant. All those other teams had all-time QB's as well. What separates this team is that there is nobody at an All-Pro or HOF caliber level on offense outside of Allen, whereas the other teams had multiple players at that level outside the QB.  

 

Effectively Allen is elevating the people around him at off the chart levels.

Something he has done for years - see Devin Singletary, Gabe Davis, Ty Johnson last year and you could even argue Dawson Knox a couple years back.

I'm not here to say Joe Brady is doing a poor job - he's clearly not. There have been some boneheaded calls, but he's generally done well from what I can see. There's a big gap between doing a great job and historic, best OC of all time though. Joe Brady isn't exploiting defenses with playcalls in a way we've never seen before. This isn't a prime Brady or Manning squad where we are an unstoppable juggernaut picking defenses apart systematically with no way to stop us.

The difference between our squad this year and during Dorsey's reign last season was that Josh has finally bought into, and figured out the message that was being preached going all the way back to the start of last season, and maybe even earlier - Be smart with the football, and trust the open man. He's not looking to heave it downfield, taking off and running at the first sign of distress, or whip the ball into tight windows or multiple coverages nearly as much as he was doing so in years prior.

In short, he looks boring a lot of the time, and boring is exactly what it takes to win consistently against top competition. Brady and Mahomes mastered the art of being boring. Manning never really did until his body told him he didn't have any other choice. Josh finally figured it out and by not putting on the cape every play, he may win his first MVP, and if he can keep evolving as he gets older, it probably won't be his last.

How much credit does Brady get for that? Certainly some, because he's shepherding it, but it wasn't his idea and the catalyst for our success is still mostly Allen.

[Logic]

36 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The hyperbole here is off the charts.

Just checking, the guy still has Josh Allen right?

Just curious. What, in your estimation, registers as hyperbole here?

Do the Bills have a 1,000 yard rusher? A 1,000 yard receiver? A bona fide star at any position other than QB? 

If you go through the list of offenses that have put up similar scoring production throughout NFL history, they all have star players (and, in many cases, multiple HOFers) on the roster.

Given the relative dearth of start talent on this offensive roster, what is it about the production of this year's Bills offense that you don't feel merits serious praise for the offensive coordinator?

[Bockeye]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I still don’t believe in his passing offense. 

I tend to agree, but 8 straight games of 30+ points per game along with 3.12 points/drive is astoundingly good.  I’m fine with his passing and running calls.  How the heck can we do much better??

25 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Something he has done for years - see Devin Singletary, Gabe Davis, Ty Johnson last year and you could even argue Dawson Knox a couple years back.

I'm not here to say Joe Brady is doing a poor job - he's clearly not. There have been some boneheaded calls, but he's generally done well from what I can see. There's a big gap between doing a great job and historic, best OC of all time though. Joe Brady isn't exploiting defenses with playcalls in a way we've never seen before. This isn't a prime Brady or Manning squad where we are an unstoppable juggernaut picking defenses apart systematically with no way to stop us.

The difference between our squad this year and during Dorsey's reign last season was that Josh has finally bought into, and figured out the message that was being preached going all the way back to the start of last season, and maybe even earlier - Be smart with the football, and trust the open man. He's not looking to heave it downfield, taking off and running at the first sign of distress, or whip the ball into tight windows or multiple coverages nearly as much as he was doing so in years prior.

In short, he looks boring a lot of the time, and boring is exactly what it takes to win consistently against top competition. Brady and Mahomes mastered the art of being boring. Manning never really did until his body told him he didn't have any other choice. Josh finally figured it out and by not putting on the cape every play, he may win his first MVP, and if he can keep evolving as he gets older, it probably won't be his last.

How much credit does Brady get for that? Certainly some, because he's shepherding it, but it wasn't his idea and the catalyst for our success is still mostly Allen.

So the below stats are wrong then??  Brady and Manning in their prime were putting up more points per drive? Had way more than 8 30+ point games.  Just trying to square this.  

 

The 2024 Bills are averaging 3.12 points/drive - In the history of the NFL, only the 2007 Patriots have averaged more at 3.19.  The only other teams above 3 are the 2018 Chiefs, the 2013 Broncos and the 2001 Rams.  

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

And going back to college, he was the one who essentially molded Burrow and Chase into the forces they have become. Sure, they were great players, but in that offense they became one of the best ever in college football history.

 

And if the Bengals miss the playoffs, I would not be surprised for it to be in Cincy...and good God, may He help us if he is re-united with Burrow and Chase.

Steve Ensminger basically created that LSU offense and was Joe burrows offensive coordinator and quarterback coach 

 

Brady played a part but he definitely didn't orchestrate and create the offense or call plays

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Steve Ensminger basically created that LSU offense and was Joe burrows offensive coordinator and quarterback coach 

 

Brady played a part but he definitely didn't orchestrate and create the offense or call plays

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not exactly true

 

 

Role

Brady was the passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach at LSU. He was responsible for installing the spread/RPO offense. 

Play-calling

Brady often took over play-calling in critical situations, such as third downs or in the red zone. He also split play-calling duties with offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger, who deferred to Brady in certain situations. 

Impact

Brady's impact on the team was significant. In 2019, the Tigers led the NCAA in total offense, averaging 568.5 yards per game. Brady's work helped quarterback Joe Burrow have a record-breaking season, finishing first in nearly every statistical category.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Big Turk

[US Egg]

Feel good stats, rave away.
 

Brady helped sew up the #2 seed? Who can say.

 

Bills were making the playoffs anyway.

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Not exactly true

 

 

Role

Brady was the passing game coordinator and wide receivers coach at LSU. He was responsible for installing the spread/RPO offense. 

Play-calling

Brady often took over play-calling in critical situations, such as third downs or in the red zone. He also split play-calling duties with offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger, who deferred to Brady in certain situations. 

Impact

Brady's impact on the team was significant. In 2019, the Tigers led the NCAA in total offense, averaging 568.5 yards per game. Brady's work helped quarterback Joe Burrow have a record-breaking season, finishing first in nearly every statistical category.

I'm not trying to knock Joe Brady but every single coach on that staff played a part from the assistant coach to the running back coach 

 

And Joe Brady called about as many plays.. as Eric B did for Andy Reid and the Kansas City Chiefs.. it was not split 50/50 .. he called some plays throughout a game he wasn't a primary play caller

 

 

 

https://www.nola.com/archive/steve-ensminger-explains-the-style-of-offense-he-wants-to-run-at-lsu/article_b45052a6-f847-5998-af79-193456f2ba5e.html

 

 

He was clear right from the bat he wanted to spread you out for wide receivers and run rpos that was his goal.. that was Steve's goal

 

Joe was able to see Steve's invasion and help implement it but it was not Joe Brady's offense

Edited December 30, 2024 by Buffalo716

[Lfod]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

Here's the deal.  I don't know if Joe Brady is a great leader of men, or a great culture creator.  I have no idea.  I really appreciate McDermott and what he has meant for the Bills and his record of regular season success with Allen has been awesome.  I have never been on that train calling for McD to be let go.

 

BUT,  if the Bills lose in the Wild Card round or Divisional I'd shake his hand if I were ownership, thank McD and name Joe Brady as the head coach.  Why?  because Joe is going to get a head coach job somewhere in the offseason and it might as well be here.  He's not only close with the franchise QB, he's been really really good for the entire offense.  

I am sure people felt that way about Daboll as well, yet they plugged Dorsey in and on with the show. Then they fired him over a few bad games on just installed the next guy. 

 

If the Bills lose in the playoffs due to any offensive struggles I doubt people will say the same about replacing the HC with the OC with much confidence. 

 

Brady got Cook and the run game going and that has been a real delight to see compliment the pass game that under Allen has always been pretty legit and Daboll gets credit for that in my book. 

 

Funny to me people would make that leap so soon with the OC when Josh Allen is capable of making every OC we had look good. 

 

Not saying he isn't qualified to be HC or the Bills HC but Im not sure Id fire a coach that has had us in the playoffs every year for a guy that is successfully running an offense with a superstar QB.

 

 

 

 

 

[colin]

brady looks as good as dabol did (imo better, because it's less all over the place stuff and more systematic).

 

I can't give him too much praise because of JA17.  highest points per drive in NFL history is nasty work, and it's a team game, but Josh does more than anyone else ever IMO.  Cooks and the line are a quality group, but I think we are all watching the Josh Allen show, and we know it.

 

I do think (presuming the D coaches have found religion on this) pressing the matter more on D rather than letting teams have long drawn out drives is necessary.  An extra two drives for the bills is basically worth a touchdown.  That's crazy.

[BuffaloBill]

Josh Allen and not Joe Brady is key to all of this. What Brady has done is to allow Josh to play to his strengths. 

[QCity]

48 minutes ago, Logic said:

Given the relative dearth of start talent on this offensive roster, what is it about the production of this year's Bills offense that you don't feel merits serious praise for the offensive coordinator?

 

Probably Josh Allen taking his game to another level and the quality (or lack thereof) of opponents. Mostly the former. And he does deserve praise, but saying he "may very well go down as one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of football" is just laughable sugar-high hyperbole.

[Eastport bills]

Brady’s play calling is so imaginative and gets open receivers so often that it’s a little scary. He establishes the run with Cook and the threat of him breaking the pocket and taking off. So a safety has to account for Josh and then Ty Johnson or the TEs usually come open especially on 3rd down scenarios. His 1st down throws are usually Shakir for short completions and on those throws Cooper and Coleman or Hollins run deep crossers. It is so hard to defend all these quality options especially when Josh sees the field so well even if he’s flushed.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Josh Allen and not Joe Brady is key to all of this. What Brady has done is to allow Josh to play to his strengths. 

agree. We all Sort of look past all those 3rd and longs that Josh converts with ease. 

 

[K-9]

Josh said on a few occasions last year that Diggs was the first read option for the majority of pass plays in their offensive scheme. That all changed when Dorsey was canned and Brady took the reins. And we all saw that as Diggs’s role of in the offense became less of the primary focus. That obviously changed the dynamics and got other receiving targets more involved. I’ll give Brady full credit for that. 

[Nihilarian]

27 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I am sure people felt that way about Daboll as well, yet they plugged Dorsey in and on with the show. Then they fired him over a few bad games on just installed the next guy. 

 

If the Bills lose in the playoffs due to any offensive struggles I doubt people will say the same about replacing the HC with the OC with much confidence. 

 

Brady got Cook and the run game going and that has been a real delight to see compliment the pass game that under Allen has always been pretty legit and Daboll gets credit for that in my book. 

 

Funny to me people would make that leap so soon with the OC when Josh Allen is capable of making every OC we had look good. 

 

Not saying he isn't qualified to be HC or the Bills HC but Im not sure Id fire a coach that has had us in the playoffs every year for a guy that is successfully running an offense with a superstar QB.

Buffalo at that time was 5-5 and falling on its face offensively! Losses to the NY Jets-Jags-Patriots-Bengals-Broncos. Then under Brady the Bills won 6 straight and made the playoffs. 

 

Plain and simple Ken Dorsey stunk and was a much lesser version of Daboll. McD did the right thing by firing him. BTW, how is Cleveland doing with him as OC?

3-13? 

 

P.S. gotta love watching an O linemen going in motion during a play. 

[JMM]

He's done a really good job. But...um...JOSH ALLEN. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

39 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I am sure people felt that way about Daboll as well, yet they plugged Dorsey in and on with the show. Then they fired him over a few bad games on just installed the next guy. 

 

If the Bills lose in the playoffs due to any offensive struggles I doubt people will say the same about replacing the HC with the OC with much confidence. 

 

Brady got Cook and the run game going and that has been a real delight to see compliment the pass game that under Allen has always been pretty legit and Daboll gets credit for that in my book. 

 

Funny to me people would make that leap so soon with the OC when Josh Allen is capable of making every OC we had look good. 

 

Not saying he isn't qualified to be HC or the Bills HC but Im not sure Id fire a coach that has had us in the playoffs every year for a guy that is successfully running an offense with a superstar QB.

 

 

 

 

 

Under what other OC had Allen and the Offense scored as much as they have?  None.  

 

I can site many other stats, but that's just redundant.