Coleman shows up Allen on first TD target

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You'd be mistaken if you thought I cared if I was in the minority of anything.

 

I'm not cowed by the opinions of others.

 

 

Your first sentence, yes Josh isn't oblivious which is why Coleman's gesture was self-serving.

 

Your second sentence, I didn't say you can't give feedback.

 

I said what Coleman did was unnecessary.

 

 

We can go back to talking about the quietly improving WR corps or the inability of our defense to stop the run if you'd like.

 

I actually find this to be an interesting conversation.

 

 

So you're making my case for me.

 

I've said numerously that gesturing on TV in front of everyone is NOT the way you communicate that it was an imperfect throw.

 

 

They talked about it in the huddle.

 

That's how it should have been handled in the first place.

 

There are more than those two threads. 
 

I guess you missed when Coleman made the same gesture in the Seattle game before catching that second pass.

He did the same thing.

Also, if they already talked about it before, a simple hand gesture will suffice so they don’t need to talk about it again.  That means they are on the same page.

 

Have at it if you want to be 1 of the 2 people who finds this an issue.  

Edited December 30, 2024 by Royale with Cheese

[Alphadawg7]

42 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I judge things on a case by case basis.

 

But if I wanted my QB to throw the ball higher, I wouldn't be gesturing to him from a distance.

 

But again, what was there to communicate?

 

Nothing. Josh knew he missed the throw.

 

 

No disrespect, but this happens every weekend all across the NFL.  WR's all the time will point up when they want to tell the QB put it higher, I mean I have seen this gesture a 1000 times.  This is 1 million percent in no way showing up the QB, its completely standard, regular, and common communication on the football field.  I have both done this gesture in a football game as a receiver and I have had other receivers do this to me in a football game as well when I was in as QB.  

 

I am actually stunned the OP actually posted this thread and hasn't taken it down yet.  This thread couldn't be more off base with what was happening or how common this gesture is.

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

That's how it should have been handled in the first place.

 

I get the sense it has been handled that way multiple times previously and Josh is reluctant to airmail lasers 10 ft off the ground because he's never been asked to do it before at any point in his career.

I also don't think Keon is speaking me, I think he's speaking us.

For those two reasons I think it is positive and legitimate communication.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Over under that WGR talks about this for 1 hour tomorrow?

[Richard Noggin]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

I get the sense it has been handled that way multiple times previously and Josh is reluctant to airmail lasers 10 ft off the ground because he's never been asked to do it before at any point in his career.

I also don't think Keon is speaking me, I think he's speaking us.

For those two reasons I think it is positive and legitimate communication.

 

 

/thread ?

[BillnutinHouston]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

This is not entirely true:

 

Coleman's (or before that, Diggs') antics

 

you've done almost nothing yet in your little career.

 

its just like Diggs

 

These are not the phrasings of an innocent man simply seeking the thoughts of others.

If you're going to talk *****, don't act all virtuous and pretend you're somehow the aggrieved.

 

 

 

 

This thread really comes down to differing notions of what constitutes respect and disrespect.

 

I readily admit that my interpretation of Coleman's gesturing today, because I see it as disrespecting a vastly more accomplished player, naturally leads to my labelling his actions as "antics" a la Diggs.  Apologies if I've shocked everyone with my harsh language.

 

I saw Coleman's gesture as disrespect, and many others did not.  That's fine, I have no problem with being a minority opinion.  But the disagreement here has come with a fair amount of incivility that's apparently acceptable.  Maybe I should know better and not be surprised, but this is my first time being the target of the pitchfork crowd.  It's an interesting place to be.

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

I like Josh Allen too but the fawning is getting a little bit ridiculous.  Lol.

[What a Tuel]

43 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

This thread really comes down to differing notions of what constitutes respect and disrespect.

 

I readily admit that my interpretation of Coleman's gesturing today, because I see it as disrespecting a vastly more accomplished player, naturally leads to my labelling his actions as "antics" a la Diggs.  Apologies if I've shocked everyone with my harsh language.

 

I saw Coleman's gesture as disrespect, and many others did not.  That's fine, I have no problem with being a minority opinion.  But the disagreement here has come with a fair amount of incivility that's apparently acceptable.  Maybe I should know better and not be surprised, but this is my first time being the target of the pitchfork crowd.  It's an interesting place to be.

 

 

Even if you see it as disrespectful, do you really think Coleman intended it to be? 

Edited December 30, 2024 by What a Tuel

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

I was told Keon got 15 wet willies after the game as penance. 

 

Lucky boy 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Allen took his advice, didn't he.

I admire Keon as a rookie to have the stones to show Josh a future adjustment.  Consider it them together working out a problem.  And if you look carefully at Josh scrambling on Coleman's td, Josh points up just before releasing the ball.  Their mutual chemistry is a work in progress. 

[TBBills Fan]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Lucky boy 

Bloody wanker

[Dr.Sack]

6’4 college bball SG with a 38” vertical and extra long arms. 

[FieldGeneral]

He was just telling us where his next TD will be caught. 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

 

God... fail of a thread.

 

I bet Josh Allen would feel that way too.

 

I haven't read any responses, but I hope you're alone.

 

You must love Aaron Rodgers as a QB

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There are more than those two threads. 
 

I guess you missed when Coleman made the same gesture in the Seattle game before catching that second pass.

He did the same thing.

Also, if they already talked about it before, a simple hand gesture will suffice so they don’t need to talk about it again.  That means they are on the same page.

 

Have at it if you want to be 1 of the 2 people who finds this an issue.  

 

 

Man... I can't believe anyone rational feels this way. They're teammates. It wasn't caustic or demanding. It was just making what was a pretty obvious statement.

 

The ball needed to be higher. 

 

 

[davefan66]

Meant nothing by it.

 

Coleman is a talker, always analyzing. That all it was, not meant to be disrespectful.

[BillnutinHouston]

3 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Even if you see it as disrespectful, do you really think Coleman intended it to be? 

 

Likely.  If as has been reported Coleman gave his "advice" to Josh in the huddle, then why was it also necessary to do the gesture?  Coleman either thinks Josh needs to learn by repetition, a little slow on the uptake, or the gesture was for the benefit of fans in the stands and at home watching on TV.   

[MRW]

3 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Likely.  If as has been reported Coleman gave his "advice" to Josh in the huddle, then why was it also necessary to do the gesture?  Coleman either thinks Josh needs to learn by repetition, a little slow on the uptake, or the gesture was for the benefit of fans in the stands and at home watching on TV.   

 

Come on, you can't make these kinds of statements then act surprised at the reaction you're getting.

[nucci]

8 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

Yes

[Matt_In_NH]

5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You'd be mistaken if you thought I cared if I was in the minority of anything.

 

I'm not cowed by the opinions of others.

 

 

Your first sentence, yes Josh isn't oblivious which is why Coleman's gesture was self-serving.

 

Your second sentence, I didn't say you can't give feedback.

 

I said what Coleman did was unnecessary.

 

 

We can go back to talking about the quietly improving WR corps or the inability of our defense to stop the run if you'd like.

 

I actually find this to be an interesting conversation.

 

 

So you're making my case for me.

 

I've said numerously that gesturing on TV in front of everyone is NOT the way you communicate that it was an imperfect throw.

 

They talked about it in the huddle.

 

That's how it should have been handled in the first place.

 

Give it up dude your argument makes no sense.   No one was showing anyone up, that is your read on what happened but that does not make it true.  

[BRH]

At the risk of prolonging this thread…

 

Some here seem to be comparing Coleman’s “antics” to what Diggs did after the big drop against KC last year.  Not the same at all.

 

Diggs’ “so close” gesture was not helpful in any way.  Was Diggs saying that he should have caught it?  Then he should have tapped his chest in the universal “my bad” gesture instead of being all cryptic (like his tweets).  

 

Coleman’s gesture was instant, constructive feedback — and you knew exactly what he was saying.  “Throw it higher next time and I’ll Moss this guy.”  Not “aw, you ***** up and that’s why I didn’t catch it.”  Josh has never had a WR who can win those jump balls.  And the next time … Josh did throw it higher, and Keon went up and got it.  It’s all good.

 

If it’s a problem, his teammates will speak to Keon about it.  Much more important to me is that Josh never shows up his receivers like Rodgers did yesterday.