Coleman shows up Allen on first TD target

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Thanks, this is exactly my point.  Quit acting like a football savant when you've done almost nothing yet in your little career. 

 

Somebody didn't like the Coleman pick.

[Herc11]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

 

Diggs, is that you?

[HurlyBurly51]

22 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

I got my answer (which is genuinely surprising) along with a sizeable portion of TBD-style ridicule (which upon reflection isn't surprising).  So be it.

You've been here over 20 years, you knew where this was likely headed....I give you the benefit of the doubt over the only other possible explanation for not expecting this reaction here.

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Thanks, this is exactly my point.  Quit acting like a football savant when you've done almost nothing yet in your little career. 

I think if you ask Josh he'd say they are brothers and he appreciates the communication. 

Or..... He might crane his neck backwards to look at Coleman's name on the back of his jersey 😂

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

I'm not allowed to give my real response so... this was a bad take.  It's perfectly fine he motioned to Josh to toss it higher.  Josh want feedback, and the kid did it out of natural reaction. We would never try to show up anyone, let alone Josh, imho

[BillnutinHouston]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Not perfect examples, but Jordan famously got into fights with his teammates when he thought that they got uppity with him.  https://clutchpoints.com/three-teammates-michael-jordan-walloped-with-a-haymaker

 

This is relevant.

 

Josh is magnanimous and of high character and therefore would not let Coleman's (or before that, Diggs') antics become a distraction, but that doesn’t make Coleman's gesture OK.

[BuffaloBillyG]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

Not perfect examples, but Jordan famously got into fights with his teammates when he thought that they got uppity with him.  https://clutchpoints.com/three-teammates-michael-jordan-walloped-with-a-haymaker

Yeah not perfect examples at all. These are all closer to training camp fights. All 3 examples given were during practice/scrimmage.

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, BillnutinHouston said:

 

This is relevant.

 

Josh is magnanimous and of high character and therefore would not let Coleman's (or before that, Diggs') antics become a distraction, but that doesn’t make Coleman's gesture OK.

Colemans antics?

 

This after you mock Keon as a "football savant".

 

Dude get a grip.  Keon pointed up, no antics/etc, Keon is the exact opposite of Diggs' diva personality.  Just shows your lack of knowledge and/or dislike of Keon already.

 

I suppose all rookies should keep their mouth shut and never gesture at Josh on the field, ever again.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

Constructive criticism is okay?

[BillnutinHouston]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I'm not allowed to give my real response so... this was a bad take.  It's perfectly fine he motioned to Josh to toss it higher.  Josh want feedback, and the kid did it out of natural reaction. We would never try to show up anyone, let alone Josh, imho

 

Thanks for disagreeing agreeably.  I realize it's not as fun as snark.

[Since1981]

Coleman did this in like game three and the next pass was higher and a TD. And BTW, Coleman can gesture it, because he knows 17 can change a few inches in height.  All good. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Since1981

[Royale with Cheese]

41 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

So, opinions aren't welcome here?

 

Despite what our omniscient and well  intended mod said above, I'm not a Coleman hater, and my post was not intended to spread Coleman hate.  To answer your question, the point of my thread, as I stated, was to see if others agreed with my interpretation of Coleman's gesture as disrespectful.  I got my answer (which is genuinely surprising) along with a sizeable portion of TBD-style ridicule (which upon reflection isn't surprising).  So be it.

Its not disrespectful to tell a teammate something that would help the play.  He didn’t scream at him or sulk…he just gestured to throw it higher.  That’s it.

It’s looking for potential conflict that’s not there.

 

If a hitter in baseball pulls his shoulder out on the swing and the guy on deck reminds and gestures to keep that shoulder in…is he disrespecting the hitter?

 

If an NBA player shoots a free throw and misses because he shot it flat, his teammate gestures to him to put some more arc on it, is he disrespecting the shooter?

 

If a catcher catches a ball that was too far over the plate and gestures to the pitcher to get it more out, is he disrespecting the pitcher?

25 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

This is relevant.

 

Josh is magnanimous and of high character and therefore would not let Coleman's (or before that, Diggs') antics become a distraction, but that doesn’t make Coleman's gesture OK.

You are painting Allen as an entitled teammate that no one should dare give him feedback.  

[The Firebaugh Kid]

He absolutely did that. I saw it too. He was just telling him to throw it a little higher next time. 

[dma0034]

I saw that too. I think Aaron Rodger started yelling at his WRs because Coleman didn't catch that

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

I saw that too. I think Aaron Rodger started yelling at his WRs because Coleman didn't catch that

The NFL Gameday highlight host, I think Chris Rose showed the clip where Rodgers threw it low to that one WR….Rose said “Rodgers I guess is y🤪mad at the WR for not catching it with his feet” 😂

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Which strengthens the argument that Coleman's gesture was totally unnecessary.

 

Even people who've never watched a football game can figure out that the ball should have been placed higher.

It’s perfectly appropriate for a WR to communicate like that with his QB. 

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

It’s perfectly appropriate for a WR to communicate like that with his QB. 

 

I'll agree to disagree.

 

Coleman wasn't communicating anything because Josh already knew what had happened.

 

Coleman was essentially saying "it's not my fault I didn't catch the ball."

 

[CookieG]

45 minutes ago, Billl said:

You’ve got this backwards.  This is the stuff that would have got your ass kicked back in the day.  Now, it’s no big deal.

Kelly used to joke that every time Andre Reed would come back to the huddle, he'd say, "Im open, throw me the ball". of course, that didn't happen too often in the 90s because they ran a no huddle offense. Maybe that's why they went to the no huddle, Kelly got tired of hearing Andre Reed say he was open.

 

That was back in the day.

 

But if Coleman was really disrespectful, Josh wouldn't have thrown him the TD pass later in the game.  

 

And yes, he threw it higher..  

 

I just saw it as a simple gesture, "a little higher, I'll nab it for ya".  

 

 

 

 

[nedboy7]

Worthy wouldn’t have done that. 

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Worthy wouldn’t have done that. 

 

No, he would have pointed lower 👇