BarleyNY Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: What was wrong with it? He simply said to throw it higher. My God...some people make it obvious they never played competitive sports before. Which is literally the same thing Romo said - the throw should’ve been a little higher.
Malazan Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 Can we ban every single poster on this forum? I feel like every single person here has a hand in this thread existing. 2 1
starrymessenger Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 4 minutes ago, julian said: Nothing wrong with Allen be reminded that Keon’s catch radius is best utilized vertically in the end zone, I don’t see the problem here. we’ll just agree to disagree. If you go back my main point is actually that in this case it's a nothing burger. Contrary to some I do however think it merits brief discussion because in football this kind of thing can be a problem where the receiver is a diva and the QB a hardass. Keon's a good kid, not a diva, and Josh is no hardass. 4
julian Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 Of course Allen knows the ball needed to be higher, I can understand how that display could be taken negatively. I’m just viewing it as a rookie WR telling Allen it’s a TD if it’s up, he did it instantaneously and without malice, if this was an every week event I’d have issue, if this was a 10 year vet like Cooper then I probably have an issue. I don’t see this as anything at all as a stand alone incident. 2
Sierra Foothills Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 (edited) 32 minutes ago, VW82 said: It was a horrible throw that even the announcers picked up on. Surely Josh isn't above constructive criticism. It was a horrible throw? Josh threw 27 passes on a very windy and gusty day. The ball missed its ideal placement by 12-18 inches. You know it's funny when I posted this opinion in the live game thread, someone asked me if I ever played sports... 26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: This thread isn’t real. 11 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I wondered the same thing It's just as real as the endless topics about our wide receivers and our run defense... except actually a lot more interesting. I guess people here are averse to this kind of discussion. Edited December 30, 2024 by Sierra Foothills 1
Billl Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 It’s a complete non-issue, but I’ll bet anything someone pulled him aside and told him not to do it again. Diggs used to do it to Josh all the time, and that’s the first thing I thought of when I saw it live. You’d never see a rookie do that with Manning or Brady. 1 1 1
BillnutinHouston Posted December 30, 2024 Author Posted December 30, 2024 Just now, Real McClappy said: Why even post this nonsense? So, opinions aren't welcome here? Despite what our omniscient and well intended mod said above, I'm not a Coleman hater, and my post was not intended to spread Coleman hate. To answer your question, the point of my thread, as I stated, was to see if others agreed with my interpretation of Coleman's gesture as disrespectful. I got my answer (which is genuinely surprising) along with a sizeable portion of TBD-style ridicule (which upon reflection isn't surprising). So be it. 1 1 2
Sierra Foothills Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Which is literally the same thing Romo said - the throw should’ve been a little higher. Which strengthens the argument that Coleman's gesture was totally unnecessary. Even people who've never watched a football game can figure out that the ball should have been placed higher. 1 minute ago, BillnutinHouston said: So, opinions aren't welcome here? Despite what our omniscient and well intended mod said above, I'm not a Coleman hater, and my post was not intended to spread Coleman hate. To answer your question, the point of my thread, as I stated, was to see if others agreed with my interpretation of Coleman's gesture as disrespectful. I got my answer (which is genuinely surprising) along with a sizeable portion of TBD-style ridicule (which upon reflection isn't surprising). So be it. Thank you. I have gone to great lengths to defend the selection of Coleman. That doesn't change the fact that he has dropped a disconcerting number of catchable balls... or that the gesture under discussion was immature. 1
BillnutinHouston Posted December 30, 2024 Author Posted December 30, 2024 14 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: You are alone as a leper at a clear skin convention. Feel better?
Real McClappy Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 1 minute ago, BillnutinHouston said: So, opinions aren't welcome here? Despite what our omniscient and well intended mod said above, I'm not a Coleman hater, and my post was not intended to spread Coleman hate. To answer your question, the point of my thread, as I stated, was to see if others agreed with my interpretation of Coleman's gesture as disrespectful. I got my answer (which is genuinely surprising) along with a sizeable portion of TBD-style ridicule (which upon reflection isn't surprising). So be it. You are scrutinizing one play when the Bills benched Allen up 40-0. WTF do you want at this phase? F the rookie or any WR in the NFL that questions Allen at his phase or level no?
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 1 hour ago, BillnutinHouston said: Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture? I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career. I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit. Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there? .just we make mountains out of mole hills on everything? Yes this rookie that has been nothing but humble in front of the camera since he got here had a diabolical master plan of "showing up Allen in front of the home crowd" from the get go. That's what happened. I hate that society is Charmin soft these days. 3
Billl Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 2 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Which strengthens the argument that Coleman's gesture was totally unnecessary. Even people who've never watched a football game can figure out that the ball should have been placed higher. It was disrespectful, even though Coleman didn’t do it to be disrespectful. 20 years from now when there’s a documentary of Allen’s career, I could totally see an interview with Keon telling the story of the time he gestured that a throw should have been higher and then his teammates got into his ass about how you don’t show up Josh. Michael Jordan would literally have beat the kid’s ass in the locker room. 1 1 1
TBBills Fan Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 20 minutes ago, Sojourner said: What happens in the shower, stays in the shower. I felt like the original poster deserved the truth 1
Billl Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I hate that society is Charmin soft these days. You’ve got this backwards. This is the stuff that would have got your ass kicked back in the day. Now, it’s no big deal. 2
BillnutinHouston Posted December 30, 2024 Author Posted December 30, 2024 1 minute ago, Real McClappy said: You are scrutinizing one play when the Bills benched Allen up 40-0. WTF do you want at this phase? F the rookie or any WR in the NFL that questions Allen at his phase or level no? I think you're building a strawman here. I can say it was a great win, that several players made great plays (including Coleman's nice high point TD), and remain consistent and fully aligned with the observation I made in my original post. 1
BigDingus Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 Let's be real, Allen doesn't always throw the prettiest or best placed passes. Even today there were quite a few questionable throws (including the actual TD to Keon). The whole point of getting someone like Coleman or trading for Cooper is so that they can help mitigate some of that downside & catch those passes that would otherwise be incomplete. Keon pointing "throw higher next time" (if that's what he was doing) is perfectly fine, as he's just communicating how it could work the NEXT time. It's not like he was stomping his feet & throwing his hands in the air getting all pissy. Allen might be an MVP candidate, but he's not levitating above his lowly serfs with a halo over his head. If he's a real leader, he can handle his comrades giving him recommendations, fielding criticisms, or being open to advice, regardless of how young or inexperienced the comrade is. 1 1
Draconator Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 Keon is just upset Josh stole his Old Spice Deodorant.
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 6 minutes ago, Billl said: You’ve got this backwards. This is the stuff that would have got your ass kicked back in the day. Now, it’s no big deal. Would it? Because I've never heard a story from "back in the day" where that happened. Can you link me to a story or two that something like that happened under these circumstances? I'd be interested to see that.
Billl Posted December 30, 2024 Posted December 30, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Would it? Because I've never heard a story from "back in the day" where that happened. Can you link me to a story or two that something like that happened under these circumstances? I'd be interested to see that. Not perfect examples, but Jordan famously got into fights with his teammates when he thought that they got uppity with him. https://clutchpoints.com/three-teammates-michael-jordan-walloped-with-a-haymaker Here’s a good one with Olajuwon. Edited December 30, 2024 by Billl
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