Coleman shows up Allen on first TD target

[Royale with Cheese]

This thread isn’t real.

[julian]

20 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Josh knows where the pass is supposed to be. He doesn't need rookie Coleman to tell him.

Josh Allen hasn’t played with a WR with these hops in his entire life playing QB, safe to assume it’s an adjustment getting used to throwing passes where every other WR he’s thrown to couldn’t go.

 

 That wasn’t Diggs on the sideline throwing his hands in the air, a little perspective here lol.

[BillsShredder83]

45 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

Nah this was a let's get em on the next play ra-ra-ra!! Keon has his own swag and is super upbeat. He's hyping the troops and working on chemistry. They're gunna end up a gnarly tandem 

[starrymessenger]

1 minute ago, julian said:

Josh Allen hasn’t played with a WR with these hops in his entire life playing QB, safe to assume it’s an adjustment getting used to throwing passes where every other WR he’s thrown to couldn’t go.

 

 That wasn’t Diggs on the sideline throwing his hands in the air, a little perspective here lol.

Trust me. Josh knows exactly where the pass is supposed to be.

[Nelius]

This is a fantastic sign of communication. Especially considering that Allen then did exactly what Keon was calling for. More please. You have no real idea how close these guys are, so the illusion is just some archaic weirdness of how you assume young players should act.

[Simon]

47 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

 

That is actually not the first time that he's asked Allen to get a throw up higher.

 

You clearly hate the guy and are looking for reasons to rag on him (Quit acting like a football savant when you've done almost nothing yet in your little career) but this one is off base; that's just how guys communicate on the field.

 

 

[julian]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

Trust me. Josh knows exactly where the pass is supposed to be.

[BillsShredder83]

40 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Wasn't there a similar discussion after the failed fade in Seattle followed by a TD fade on the other side?

 

Bonkers take imo, OP.

Certainly was. A part of me was certain they were about to try that exact route again. Coleman has elite hops, his td was unreal. A weapon type we haven't had before. I think Keon sh💩ts allllll overrrrrr a teams secondary come playoff time.

 

I see a 8 catch 150yds, 2 tds game in wildcard or divisional round.

 

!BanBet!

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, julian said:

Josh Allen hasn’t played with a WR with these hops in his entire life playing QB, safe to assume it’s an adjustment getting used to throwing passes where every other WR he’s thrown to couldn’t go.

 

I said almost exactly the same thing shortly after he was drafted.

Not only has Coleman never had a QB like Allen, but Allen has never had a WR like Coleman.

There will be some adjustment period, but they are likely to be a legit problem for people when they're finally in synch.

[PoundingDog]

Well Keon is a rookie and his strength and weakness, including the nuances of best catching positions (which may dictate usage) is still unfolding. It will take some time for Josh and Keon to find custom sized glove for optimal fit. Heck even for a veteran like Cooper it is a process.

 

Personally I think the way Russell WIlson throwing those "moon balls" to Pickens might be worth studying for Josh and Coleman this off-season. One-on-one on the outside, letting the ball coming down at a more vertical angle, and allowing Keon more time to locate the ball use his basketball rebound skills, especially against a smaller CB. Now, throwing "moon balls" is not every QB's cup of tea. Wilson might be the best at it. But I believe if Allen needs to do it, he can master it in due course.

[starrymessenger]

Just now, julian said:

So we have seen Josh Allen's ball placement consistently take advantage of Keon's particular physical attributes. So he must have forgotten on this occasion and needed to be reminded. Got it.

[Real McClappy]

Why even post this nonsense?

[BillsShredder83]

44 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said:

I saw it, it’s whatever, but ya i wouldn’t do that. Honestly you can argue it’s a good thing that players feel comfortable enough to communicate like that. But ya just say something in the huddle or the sideline. 

I give Keon more than benefit of the doubt here. Look at his personality, he's like a puppy always smiley and playing around. The team has had 6mos to get to know each other, and his personality gets to do that.

 

Especially after the game where he missed a fade, came back and hit it next play!  This was excitement, firing the boys up.

 

Now***** if Keon was say 2022 Diggs or Beasley at the end of covington season, sure I'd say that's bad. But Keon? Cmon dudes a baller

[CincyBillsFan]

57 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Anyone else notice, after Allen's first target to Coleman in the EZ falls incomplete (at exactly 8:20 of the 1st quarter), Coleman looks back in Allen's direction, points upward and makes (what I interpreted as) a "throw it higher next time" gesture?

 

I was fine with his idea and agree with him, BUT to make that gesture to Allen in front of the home crowd was completely uncalled for and totally unearned at this point in his career.  

 

I interpreted this as an arrogant, unaccomplished rookie trying to show up the MVP frontrunner in front of the home crowd, and i don't like it one bit.  

 

Am i alone in this opinion or are there different interpretations out there?  

You are alone as a leper at a clear skin convention.

 

 

[julian]

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

So we have seen Josh Allen's ball placement consistently take advantage of Keon's particular physical attributes. So he must have forgotten on this occasion and needed to be reminded. Got it.

Nothing wrong with Allen be reminded that Keon’s catch radius is best utilized vertically in the end zone, I don’t see the problem here.

 

we’ll just agree to disagree.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Real McClappy said:

Why even post this nonsense?

 

I wondered the same thing

[Nelius]

Allen is also everybody’s pal which is a unique attribute for him in the unique environment of Buffalo. It’s a unique casserole where rookies can constructively criticize cyborg QB1 and then play video games with him after. You’re right that you can’t compare it to Favre or Rodgers because it’s an entirely different and new situation. This is the vibe that Josh wants. He wants Keon to call him out.

[Sojourner]

53 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I was told Keon got 15 wet willies after the game as penance. 

What happens in the shower, stays in the shower. 

[Bills!Win!]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

This has to be bait

It’s Xavier worthy’s agent trying to make Coleman look bad 

[Sierra Foothills]

26 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said:

I saw it, it’s whatever, but ya i wouldn’t do that. Honestly you can argue it’s a good thing that players feel comfortable enough to communicate like that. But ya just say something in the huddle or the sideline. 

 

Agree.

 

I mentioned this in the live game thread and a a few people took issue with my judgement that Coleman's action was immature and unnecessary.

 

14 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I agree with the OP although I don't think it's as serious as he seems to think. And I like Keon a lot, both as a player and a teammate. One reason why it's not serious is because Allen, though a huge baller, is very much a laid back guy. A genuinely nice guy. Not all HoF worthyQBs are like that. Favre or Rodger's in his prime might have kicked his ass so hard he'd fly back to Florida without a plane. Had he been playing with guys like that he probably would have known better than to do it. Actually his being so loose is an indication of the chemistry these two are cooking up. That's the important thing.

 

The idea that an act can be judged by someone's reaction to it and not on the merits of the act itself is interesting.

 

Josh is a great guy and I agree that he was not bothered it. In fact, throwing a TD pass to Coleman later in the game shows that Josh didn't give it a second thought.

 

But that doesn't change my view of the act. It's not a felony but it's a violation of etiquette... a rookie showing up a future first-ballot HOFer on a national broadcast... for zero justifiable reason. Coleman's gesture was compelled by the sort of defense mechanism that a mature person no longer possesses.

 

13 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

Well apparently I'm just getting old.  I found it disrespectful given that Coleman's done so little and Allen's done so much, but obviously I'm in the minority!

 

I also found it disrespectful. And also pointless. Coleman's gesture was basically a "it wasn't my fault I didn't catch the ball" response.

 

16 minutes ago, julian said:

It wasn’t done in anger or frustration, the kid simply let the MVP know where the ball needs to be, Allen adjusted and threw him a lob pass to the rim for a TD.

 

Looked like a QB and a young receiver growing together on the field in real time.

 

Here's a Yes/No question:

 

Do you think that Josh didn't understand that he should have thrown the ball higher?

 

34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Allen took his advice, didn't he.

 

Allen "took his advice?"

 

Josh needed it pointed out to him that the ball placement was too low?

 

This is what I posted in the live game thread:

 

1) You guys think Josh didn't know the pass needed to be higher?

2) Couldn't Coleman have pointed this out discretely/later instead of in front of the entire world?

 

I don't think you can even argue what the answers to those questions are.