RIP, 39th President Jimmy Carter. Great American.

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

30 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Carter sure proved one thing, you go against Big Oil and the propaganda machine will be turned against you. Carter dared to ask Americans to reduce energy consumption, horrible! Big oil and the media lame brains made that a liability. It was not Carter's fault that this great energy producing nation imported so much energy. At least he did something about it, helping to reduce our use and imports of energy. Better economy, more domestic energy. Carter, a Good government guy, in an era of corruption(Nixon/Reagan) who also stood up to big oil and made us cleaner, more efficient and independent. 50% decline in foreign imports after his administration's policies. That's results! 

 

He got it that we really don't need gasoline. <---ya really. 

 

He was a pretty Conservative Democrat really. Cut government spending to help stop inflation, but too little too late. 

 

He was just a victim of circumstances. He inherited stagflation which basically passed, had great economic growth and the Iran blew up. Like Reagan, Carter had hostages to deal with and neither did particularly well.  At least Carter got his people out alive, and did not have the sad spectacle Reagan had with Beirut and all those dead Marines. 

 

He was not a great politician, like Reagan was, and the media will never forgive that! 

 

 

@Irv Probably enjoying an early New Years over this. Sad! 

Embarrassing 

[Steve O]

7 hours ago, sherpa said:

During the Carter Admin, the term "misery index" originated, which was combining very high interest rates with annual inflation figures, and it exceeded 20%.

 

The term actually originated during the Ford administration, developed by some economist. Adding the  inflation rate to the unemployment rate. Carter ran with it and made it a campaign issue in 76. (Sadly I remember.) The misery index under Ford was over 19% in early 75, but dropped to around 15% as the election neared. Still high enough for Carter to win a somewhat close race. As karma would have it, the misery index never got better under Carter, swelling to 22% and a landslide Reagan victory in 1980.

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[Capco]

On 12/29/2024 at 4:33 PM, Beast said:

Terrible President.

President Carter is ranked as a mid-tier president amongst experts in the topic.  Granted, his rank has the benefit of a lot of terrible presidents that absorb much of the bottom rankings (including Trump lol), but he navigated a very rocky time in American political waters, and I think he would've been re-elected had his opponent been anyone other than the demi-Jesus.  

When it comes to character as a genuine, salt-of-the-earth American, President Carter has always impressed me with his courage.  He was personally against abortion but respected (and advocated for) a woman's right to choose.  He didn't let his faith get in the way of the overall moral arc of justice.  He continued to champion many just and fair causes after his presidency, and taught Sunday school into his last days.

President Carter will be missed dearly. 

 

[sherpa]

2 hours ago, Capco said:

President Carter is ranked as a mid-tier president amongst experts in the topic.  Granted, his rank has the benefit of a lot of terrible presidents that absorb much of the bottom rankings (including Trump lol), but he navigated a very rocky time in American political waters, and I think he would've been re-elected had his opponent been anyone other than the demi-Jesus.  

When it comes to character as a genuine, salt-of-the-earth American, President Carter has always impressed me with his courage.  He was personally against abortion but respected (and advocated for) a woman's right to choose.  He didn't let his faith get in the way of the overall moral arc of justice.  He continued to champion many just and fair causes after his presidency, and taught Sunday school into his last days.

President Carter will be missed dearly. 

 

 

Completely disagree.

He was uniquely and historically unpopular.

This is not the path to re-election:

 

What the country thought of Carter

 

Terrible inflation. Terrible economy. Terrible Commander in Chief.

 

I find it quite odd to state that "he didn't let his faith get in the way of the ...moral arc of justice."

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:13 AM by sherpa

[Another Fan]

Loved the man himself.....  his presidency uggh I'll say it was before my time to give a strong opinion.

 

 

His Crisis of Confidence Speech.....  he seemed a very introspective guy.  I could see why that speech would turn people off.

 

 

At the same time though I do think he was trying to emphasize with the people in the way he knew best......   which is much much more than today's Democrats.  Jimmy said in that speech "I feel your pain".  All the Dems tried to do the last 4 years was convince us this was like the greatest economy ever and brought in top after top economists to tell it so.  All that did was prove extremely condescending and worse insulting to working people everywhere . Kamala did try late in her campaign to offer tax cuts to new home owners and emphasized working at McDonald's.....  but the damage was so done by that point.  

[Capco]

7 hours ago, sherpa said:

I find it quite odd to state that "he didn't let his faith get in the way of the ...moral arc of justice."

Then you must be unaware of the moral injustices that have been perpetuated in the name of faith.  

[sherpa]

9 minutes ago, Capco said:

Then you must be unaware of the moral injustices that have been perpetuated in the name of faith.  

 

I am completely aware, and those injustices have nothing to do with this issue, nor the false claim that any of those were an accurate response to faith. 

Viewing abortion as a moral decision that indicates advanced morality is ridiculous.

Some people view abortion as the taking of human life, just as some viewed slavery as the same.

Others did not.

To each his own, but it is nonsense to claim that Carter has some high ground on this.

 

The man was a horrible president.

Fraudulent, as was his deceptive "common man carrying his own bags" bullstuff when they were always empty and his aids brought the real bags well behind him and away from camera view.

 

Again. Fraud.

Edited Wednesday at 05:38 PM by sherpa

[Capco]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

I am completely aware, and those injustices have nothing to do with this issue, nor the false claim that any of those were an accurate response to faith. 

Viewing abortion as a moral decision that indicates advanced morality is ridiculous.

Some people view abortion as the taking of human life, just as some viewed slavery as the same.

Others did not.

To each his own, but it is nonsense to claim that Carter has some high ground on this.

 

The man was a horrible president.

Fraudulent, as was his deceptive "common man carrying his own bags" bullstuff when they were always empty and his aids brought the real bags well behind him and away from camera view.

 

Again. Fraud.

How many foster children have you adopted?

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

How many foster children have you adopted?

 

None.

Not sure your point.

Raised three through college.

How many did Jimmy adopt?

 

Horrible president. Just horrible.

Edited Wednesday at 09:23 PM by sherpa

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[Capco]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

None.

Not sure your point.

Let's back up a bit then. 

Do you view abortion as "the taking of human life"?

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

Let's back up a bit then. 

Do you view abortion as "the taking of human life"?

 

What I view on this is meaningless.

What is germane is that you stated that Carter used superior moral judgement by not allowing his faith to oppose abortion, though he opposed it personally.

If you view human life as existing in utero, there can be no justification.

If you don't, you don't.

Can't have it both ways. 

 

[Capco]

50 minutes ago, sherpa said:

What I view on this is meaningless.

Humor me.