Next week’s Pats game - interesting

[leonbus23]

18 hours ago, FireChans said:

Lmao “make yourself look worse so your employer benefits and you lose your job.”

Not really the case here. 

 

Compliance with management is actaully more desirable in this case for future employers. 

 

In other words, if a employee puts his ego aside for the betterment of the organition, the management of any organizition will consider that more valuable. 

 

More specifically, who will want to hire Daboll at this point? His coaching ability has taken a huge hit for a couple of years, so one of the only positives left for him was tacet compliance. 

 

So, he most definitely made himself "look worse" by winning. Lmao

[BillsShredder83]

21 hours ago, FireChans said:

Why would Daboll let himself get fired so the Giants get a better pick?

 

Selfish? lol.

Correct. That game is the 2nd to last tryout before he heads back into the OC market

21 hours ago, DCofNC said:

True, BUT just the fact they don’t own the #1 pick means somebody can jump you.  Look at what happened when Carolina went up over the Texans most recently.  It didn’t work, but it gave them the pick of the 1st QB off the board.

Didn't we just see a team trade up from #2 to #1 literally because of this. Team 1 calls team 2, hey were shopping this pick hard, if you want one guy you have to pay to come get him

[Ya Digg?]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Not contradicting myself at all. The player’s responsibility is to play as hard as possible and in any event it’s hard to avoid doing that given the physical intensity and violence of an NFL game. A coach needs to focus on the big-picture outlook for the organization and do what is strategically wisest for his employer. Do not be surprised if Drake Maye sits next week. 

Again, you are getting the coach and the GM mixed up. If a coach isn’t putting his players in a position to win on a weekly basis, that’s a bad coach and I guarantee you that guy will lose the locker room. The GM/front office/ownership/fans might have wanted the Giants to lose, but a coach will never want to lose 

[BillsShredder83]

21 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Crazy to see jets down there when they had all that ammo the year they got like 4 top 100 picks

[BuffaloBill]

23 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

such a meaningless set of statistics. The pro bowl is now just a popularity contest. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

such a meaningless set of statistics. The pro bowl is now just a popularity contest. 

 

And with so many people declining to go, many people are "pro-bowlers" that never would have been and others who would have been aren't.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

such a meaningless set of statistics. The pro bowl is now just a popularity contest. 

Mac Jones boosted the Patriots % and the only way he should be a pro bowler is if he gives up football and spends hours practicing at the lanes.  

[Albany,n.y.]

7 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

I am an “always root for a win” fan. More important to have guys that play hard and sometimes these late season wins can build great momentum for the following year.  Also, when we were in the drought, I figured draft position didn’t matter anyway because we were going to screw up the pick regardless.  😃 

Those meaningless wins you rooted for really built great momentum during the drought years.  I can't think of one Bills team where the momentum carried over post- Kelly & pre-Allen. The only time those games matter is when a team is developing a franchise QB.  No doubt the 2018 season finale was important as it began Josh Allen's domination of the Dolphins, but from 2012 to 2014 the Bills either won the season finale or the game right before the season finale.  Each time the Bills had a new starting QB the following year: Fitzpatrick 2012, Manuel 2013; Manuel 2013, Orton 2014; Orton 2014, Taylor 2015.  When your team is on a QB carousel, there's no such thing as building momentum for next year, when you'll have a new QB.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Those meaningless wins you rooted for really built great momentum during the drought years.  I can't think of one Bills team where the momentum carried over post- Kelly & pre-Allen. The only time those games matter is when a team is developing a franchise QB.  No doubt the 2018 season finale was important as it began Josh Allen's domination of the Dolphins, but from 2012 to 2014 the Bills either won the season finale or the game right before the season finale.  Each time the Bills had a new starting QB the following year: Fitzpatrick 2012, Manuel 2013; Manuel 2013, Orton 2014; Orton 2014, Taylor 2015.  When your team is on a QB carousel, there's no such thing as building momentum for next year, when you'll have a new QB.  

you have the benefit of hindsight. In the moment, there is absolutely a benefit to try to build and keep winning down to the end, for purposes of momentum, culture, player development,  playing hard for each other, and learning how to win, etc.
 

The best example of that was the 1997 Falcons. Pretty bad team. Meh QB in Chris Chandler. Started like 1-8 or something like that, and then won a bunch of games to end the season. That momentum carried over to the next season when that team went to the SB.

 

I guess separate and apart from that, I am not here as a fan to play the long game, which usually doesn’t work out anyway. Just want to see my team play hard and win right now. The draft stuff will take care of itself. 

[Sierra Foothills]

On 12/29/2024 at 3:29 PM, JohnNord said:

At first thought, I didn’t think it’s as big of a deal since NE already has Mays.  This will still ensure the Giants get the first pick at QB.  
But given all the holes on the NE roster and the fact that they already have their QB in place, I wouldn’t be shocked to see them trade out for bounty of higher draft picks. If I’m Mara and can’t select the QB I want, I’d be pissed at Daboll 

 

I think arguably the Giants did try to tank when they alienated the whole team by naming Tommy DeVito the starter in week 12 over Drew Lock.

 

The tank went out the window somewhat when DeVito was twice injured. He missed time due to injuries, an arm and a concussion.

 

 

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I think arguably the Giants did try to tank when they alienated the whole team by naming Tommy DeVito the starter in week 12 over Drew Lock.

 

The tank went out the window somewhat when DeVito was twice injured. He missed time due to injuries, an arm and a concussion.

 

 

That’s what I thought too but I remembering seeing a report that Daboll made the switch because he was coaching to save his job.  I always thought it was strange that he chose DeVito over Lock.   
 

But if it was a tank, you’d figure out they would find a way to sit Lock and start a lesser QB - like Cleveland did DTR and Winston.   I don’t think they would deviate from their plan just because your fall guy got hurt.  
 

Giants fans are now terrified that Schoen is going trade up with NE all because of the win on Sunday.  

[Albany,n.y.]

13 hours ago, JohnNord said:

That’s what I thought too but I remembering seeing a report that Daboll made the switch because he was coaching to save his job.  I always thought it was strange that he chose DeVito over Lock.   
 

But if it was a tank, you’d figure out they would find a way to sit Lock and start a lesser QB - like Cleveland did DTR and Winston.   I don’t think they would deviate from their plan just because your fall guy got hurt.  
 

Giants fans are now terrified that Schoen is going trade up with NE all because of the win on Sunday.  

The Giants originally chose DeVito over Lock to save money: https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/why-giants-went-with-tommy-devito-over-drew-lock-at-quarterback-01jd02j6txaf

Had Lock been named the starter, there would have been little chance of him earning the full $3 million in incentives at this point in the season. But with seven games to go, there was a good chance of him picking up at least a third of those incentives, which would not have been good news for a cash-strapped Giants team. 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

15 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

you have the benefit of hindsight. In the moment, there is absolutely a benefit to try to build and keep winning down to the end, for purposes of momentum, culture, player development,  playing hard for each other, and learning how to win, etc.
 

The best example of that was the 1997 Falcons. Pretty bad team. Meh QB in Chris Chandler. Started like 1-8 or something like that, and then won a bunch of games to end the season. That momentum carried over to the next season when that team went to the SB.

 

I guess separate and apart from that, I am not here as a fan to play the long game, which usually doesn’t work out anyway. Just want to see my team play hard and win right now. The draft stuff will take care of itself. 

The 1997 Falcons are a bad example.  They lost the season finale after a winning streak.  We're talking about teams with bad records hurting their chances of a top 5 pick late in the season, not an up & coming team that got hot mid-season & was 7-8 going into the season finale.  

 

When the team sucked, I looked big picture because there was nothing going well with the present team & odds were there were going to be wholesale changes before the next season, so there was nothing to carryover. Before 2018, the last time the Bills had meaningful late games with a team out of the playoffs was 1987, when the team was trying to build around Jim Kelly and what turned out to be a bunch of HOFers.  Even though they lost the season finale in Philadelphia, it was important for them to gain some momentum for 1988.  During the drought years all it was, was a bunch of meaningless games at the end because the roster just simply wasn't good enough & there was no QB to build around with.  You can always find an example where late season wins are more important than draft position on an up & coming team, but most of the time the bad team isn't going anywhere unless they can get some better talent.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The 1997 Falcons are a bad example.  They lost the season finale after a winning streak.  We're talking about teams with bad records hurting their chances of a top 5 pick late in the season, not an up & coming team that got hot mid-season & was 7-8 going into the season finale.  

 

When the team sucked, I looked big picture because there was nothing going well with the present team & odds were there were going to be wholesale changes before the next season, so there was nothing to carryover. Before 2018, the last time the Bills had meaningful late games with a team out of the playoffs was 1987, when the team was trying to build around Jim Kelly and what turned out to be a bunch of HOFers.  Even though they lost the season finale in Philadelphia, it was important for them to gain some momentum for 1988.  During the drought years all it was, was a bunch of meaningless games at the end because the roster just simply wasn't good enough & there was no QB to build around with.  You can always find an example where late season wins are more important than draft position on an up & coming team, but most of the time the bad team isn't going anywhere unless they can get some better talent.  

I think we just have different “fan philosophies.” I get what you are saying. But I am always going to root for my team to win and will want them to win. The crap shoot of some draft pick (that probably won’t materialize) is not worth it to me to want my team to just throw in the towel.
 

And you have fans taking the “draft position” philosophy to extremes, like fans who think starting 1-4 or 0-5 calls for the team to tank. At that point, what’s the point of even following a team or watching the games?