12/29/24 GAMEDAY Week 17 Bills vs Jets Post Game Thread

[Rocky Landing]

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:24 PM, Beck Water said:

 

Really?  I thought the smirk and the reference to his own 4 MVP seasons when he just lost the game and played like crap was kind of pathetic.

"Gracious" is not the word I would use to describe it.

 

A guy who fancies himself as a veteran leader should never explode in an interview, he should know how to handle himself in public by now.
 

 

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I don't agree. It was a punk question by the reporter, and it was the reporter who brought up Rodgers' four MVP seasons. Rodgers' response: "... he's having a great season, so pick one of those four," is a deeper response than that question really deserves, and shows respect to Allen. I believe Rodgers considers Allen to be a friend of his-- he has stated as much in the past.

[AKC]

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:29 PM, Beck Water said:

 

It's really a good question.  Do you play Milano, who knows exactly where he's supposed to be, but who might not get there fast enough or tackle well enough?  Or do you play Williams, who will get there quickly and tackle hard, but who is still struggling to figure out what gap he's supposed to mind or what his assignment is when the offense changes post-snap.

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The clear evidence based answer is that this staff will go with the guy who is more likely to be in the right spot.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:33 PM, Beck Water said:

 

Really?  It would only be asked of great QB who have played at an MVP level or won AP NFL MVP. 
The list of current players who have done that is Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers.

Which of Jackson or Mahomes do you think would have exploded?
 

I think both of Jackson and Mahomes would have said something about "fun to watch Josh, focused on watching D during the season, we're different players" or maybe "we lost and I'm still thinking about the game and how I could have played better, I can't really answer that right now".

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that’s not a respectful type of question to ask right after a loss. Maybe during the week. But no one asks, “how great is that opposing QB who just smoked you 5 minutes ago?” That reporter was trying to rile him up.

[Sierra Foothills]

  On 12/30/2024 at 1:03 PM, Gregg said:

I would imagine the Bills will treat this game as a glorified meaningless preseason game which is what it is. Allen probably will watch this game in street clothes. Anyone hurting won't play. It will 2nd and 3rd stringers against the Pats starters. NE will probably win, and they should be favorite in the game as well.

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To the bolded, it's been mentioned in passing (pardon the pun) but only incidentally so here goes:

 

Josh has a consecutive games started streak of 110 games... 120 if you count playoffs. Either way this is 12th longest streak in the history of the NFL.

 

Yesterday Josh said the streak is important to him.

 

  On 12/30/2024 at 3:11 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

One of my favorite plays is when Phillips picked off that pass and immediately slid. That dude always seems to get injured on fluke plays, like interception returns. Smart to just slide asap. 

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But then he hopped into the stands, thereby jeopardizing his good health.

 

  On 12/30/2024 at 4:04 PM, RunTheBall said:

That was a very satisfying beat down to watch. Getting the W was all that matters but it helps us BBFS sufferers when it’s a convincing win going into the playoffs.

 

I liked that Coleman got that TD, think he needed that mentally. Mack Hollins is a treasure. Shakir has been meh last few games, not sure if defenses are keying on him.

This is the second game in a row Josh hasn’t been throwing much within the structure of the O. He’s big play hunting and that concerns me. Idk if that’s because the Jets were covering our guys really well but I think the offense is much more efficient when Josh is playing more in structure and getting the ball out quicker while saving the Super Josh plays for a few times a game.

 

Still think Williams needs to be in there instead of Milano in the playoffs. Milano looked like he was running in cement shoes although this was probably his best game back. Groot was awesome, Von has been playing well (I think this is the best we can expect from him), Oliver balled out, Jones kinda sucked. BTW, what happened to Bernard? The guy has been near invisible. I’m not a film guru and maybe it’s just the absence of splash plays but seems like his impact is much less than last year. Thought the DBs were solid for the most part. Bishop got smoked by a TE but that will happen once in a while, I thought he played solid overall.

 

This bend but don’t break big play dependent defense concerns me for the playoffs. If those TOs dry up, which they might against better teams, Josh is going to have to put up 40 points a game. We go to war with the troops we have though, so we’ll see how that goes.

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It was also important that Josh had an excellent game with another unforgettably great play, therefore not conceding the MVP to Lamar... which would have been the case had he not played so well.

 

  On 12/30/2024 at 4:55 PM, sven233 said:

I haven't watched the All 22 yet, but I thought watching Milano yesterday that he got better as the game went along and it was noticeable.  I thought early in the game he was playing pretty much how he has been since coming back.....a little slow to process and a step slow to react.  However, I thought as the game went along yesterday, he seemed to be better.  Looked like he was firing a little quicker and was out of place much less.  Again, I haven't watched the film yet to confirm this assessment, but I came away encouraged by the end of the game.  Now, is that just because the Jets phoned it in when the game got out of hand?  Maybe.  I hope not, though.

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As we all know, the difference between success and failure is often one-tenth of a second or sometimes even less. That's why a defense can play lights out one week and very poorly the next. The physical fits and timing of the entire unit is critical for success.

 

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:19 PM, Goin Breakdown said:

I'm not a Roger's fan. But that smirk when he says "pick one of those 4" was funny

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  On 12/30/2024 at 5:19 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

pretty gracious of Rodgers to answer that question. A lot of players would have exploded at that sort of question after a loss.

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I thought Rodgers handled the question well. At some point yesterday (and for the first time ever) I almost started feeling sorry for him... but then I remembered that he's made over $380 million from football, not including other income streams related to his celebrity.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

  On 12/30/2024 at 6:21 PM, Sierra Foothills said:

 

But then he hopped into the stands, thereby jeopardizing his good health.

 

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I disagree here.  When Philips jumped into the stand the only ones in danger of getting hurt where the fans in the line of his jump and the stadium infrastructure.

 

As an aside in the video where the D is celebrating the INT and Phillips does the Lambo leap check out the look on the fans face right before Phillips lands.

 

 

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:44 PM, Pokebball said:

That TD pass to Coleman...was the pass to Coleman or Johnson?

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I believe both guys saw Allen's hand signal and went to the place Allen wanted them to go.  That pass would have been a great throw to either guy as each of them would have caught it if the other wasn't there.

 

 

[Scott7975]

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:44 PM, Pokebball said:

That TD pass to Coleman...was the pass to Coleman or Johnson?

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Yes

[ExiledInIllinois]

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[WideNine]

  On 12/30/2024 at 12:30 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

Before this game: I thought Rodgers had shown enough in the 2nd half of the season that combined with the lack of good options, the Jets should stick with him in 2025 and hope they can get lucky and put together a playoff drought-ending season. 
 

After his game: Rodgers is toast. Am I the only one out there who thinks that if the Jets had started Tyrod they would have made this a game?

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Yup.

 

Just not a league for statue QBs unless they have an outstanding OL and run game and can get rid of the ball in 1 second.

 

Tyrod extended a bunch of plays that allowed Dante and Wilson enough time to shake coverage.

 

He would have been harder to plan against IMO.

 

 

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

A few thoughts I had watching the replay this morning:

• Coleman is becoming an important part of this offense. That highpoint on his TD was bananas, but the catch that was called back because of Brown's holding call was great also. But he still needs to get better separation.
• Speaking of Brown's utterly phantom hold-- I don't blame him for being pissed. In a close game, that could have been a real difference-maker. But, I can kinda understand how the ref saw that as a hold from his angle. Because most tackles in the league could not have had their arm in that position without having a handful of the defender's clothing. Spencer Brown is so freaking strong, he can have his arm in there and not budge. I wonder what that guy can curl?
• I know it was in complete garbage time, but Shavers' TD run is worth a second look. It's hard to predict what the WR room will look like next year, but at 6'4", and visibly bulked up from when he was drafted, that dude was fast. And McD handing him a game ball, on the strength of a meaningless, garbage-time TD speaks volumes. If Shavers can/has fixed his drop issues (his biggest knock) he could be a boundary receiver who can get separation.
• It's hard to fault the defense in a game that was a shut-out up until garbage time, but I still feel like they have some work, and healing to do for the playoffs. That being said, it was nice to see the interior D-line playing to the level they did.

[Warcodered]

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:12 PM, YoloinOhio said:

I’m actually weak 😭

 

 

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Don't really like the guy, but it is nice that he likes Josh, then again he is human golden retriever so why wouldn't he.

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:17 PM, Goin Breakdown said:

Nope, you're right about the play. At the time I was for sure glad he didn't go for it, but after rewatching a couple times, he may not have made it. Hey I'm just used to having Josh. Josh would have made it. Rogers.....maybe not. Probably not. 

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Josh would have hurt somebody.

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:22 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I kind of thought it was a douche, self-aggrandizing response to reference his own 4 MVP titles in his response when he just played like crap and let his team down.
 

He could easily have said something like "Josh is playing at an MVP level this season and it's fun to watch, but we're really too different as QBs to answer that question; I wasn't the rushing threat he is, for example" (or something like that).  Or he could have said "I've really been focused on trying to play better and help the Jets, which means watching the defenses; I haven't seen enough of Josh's games to answer"

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Not really the reporter made the reference themselves, it's basically an easy lobbed pitch for Aaron to hit. He had literally probably the shittiest performances of his career expecting to wax poetically about the other QBs performance is a bit much.

[Beck Water]

  On 12/30/2024 at 5:17 PM, Goin Breakdown said:

Nope, you're right about the play. At the time I was for sure glad he didn't go for it, but after rewatching a couple times, he may not have made it. Hey I'm just used to having Josh. Josh would have made it. Rogers.....maybe not. Probably not. 

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I was actually thinking about that during the Falcons Commanders game last night, when Collinsworth was being his usual ball-laving self over the new hot talents of Penix and Daniels.

 

Daniels was running, and getting shoved back and I was thinking "wow, if that were Josh the other guy woulda gone down".  And Collinsworth was talking about his arm strength and I was thinking "huh?  that just looked like an ordinary throw to me, nice throw but nothing above the ordinary"

 

It had me reflecting on how Josh has made the extraordinary, ordinary for us.

  On 12/30/2024 at 7:56 PM, Warcodered said:

Don't really like the guy, but it is nice that he likes Josh, then again he is human golden retriever so why wouldn't he.

Josh would have hurt somebody.

Not really the reporter made the reference themselves, it's basically an easy lobbed pitch for Aaron to hit. He had literally probably the shittiest performances of his career expecting to wax poetically about the other QBs performance is a bit much.

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Yeah, I get your point, but Reporters Gonna Reporter, what's a Sporty Guy gonna do? 

But given that he just had the shittiest performance of his career, smirking about his 4 MVP seasons seemed like a huge gap in self-awareness.  He had other options, like saying "I appreciate the question, but we just lost the game, and that's what's on my mind right now."

[Rocky Landing]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:22 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I was actually thinking about that during the Falcons Commanders game last night, when Collinsworth was being his usual ball-laving self over the new hot talents of Penix and Daniels.

 

Daniels was running, and getting shoved back and I was thinking "wow, if that were Josh the other guy woulda gone down".  And Collinsworth was talking about his arm strength and I was thinking "huh?  that just looked like an ordinary throw to me, nice throw but nothing above the ordinary"

 

It had me reflecting on how Josh has made the extraordinary, ordinary for us.

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There are times (including yesterday vs. the Jets) when Allen will throw a laser with such a quick, and short release, that it seems to defy physics.

[Simon]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:25 PM, Rocky Landing said:

There are times (including yesterday vs. the Jets) when Allen will throw a laser with such a quick, and short release, that it seems to defy physics.

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That ball he threw off only one foot while falling backwards and nearly on the ground that smacked Shakir right in the hands was his 4,763rd instance of "Never seen that one before" 

[Goin Breakdown]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:22 PM, Beck Water said:

 

I was actually thinking about that during the Falcons Commanders game last night, when Collinsworth was being his usual ball-laving self over the new hot talents of Penix and Daniels.

 

Daniels was running, and getting shoved back and I was thinking "wow, if that were Josh the other guy woulda gone down".  And Collinsworth was talking about his arm strength and I was thinking "huh?  that just looked like an ordinary throw to me, nice throw but nothing above the ordinary"

 

It had me reflecting on how Josh has made the extraordinary, ordinary for us.

 

Yeah, I get your point, but Reporters Gonna Reporter, what's a Sporty Guy gonna do? 

But given that he just had the shittiest performance of his career, smirking about his 4 MVP seasons seemed like a huge gap in self-awareness.  He had other options, like saying "I appreciate the question, but we just lost the game, and that's what's on my mind right now."

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It's becoming more apparent to me that we're spoiled. 

[Beck Water]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:29 PM, Simon said:

 

That ball he threw off only one foot while falling backwards and nearly on the ground that smacked Shakir right in the hands was his 4,763rd instance of "Never seen that one before" 

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Exactly.  We call those "TFG" throws, for what we believe the DC is saying as he throws his clipboard.

 

And yet, Collinsworth goes on endlessly about Daniels and Penix doing "things only Mahomes and Burrow can do" and I'm like "Seriously?"

[Sierra Foothills]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:29 PM, Simon said:

That ball he threw off only one foot while falling backwards and nearly on the ground that smacked Shakir right in the hands was his 4,763rd instance of "Never seen that one before" 

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Yeah, I was temporarily annoyed at Shakir for dropping that one and depriving Josh and everyone of the pleasure of seeing that playing endlessly in highlight packages.

 

[sven233]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:25 PM, Rocky Landing said:

There are times (including yesterday vs. the Jets) when Allen will throw a laser with such a quick, and short release, that it seems to defy physics.

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Happens all the time.  When I was younger, I had a pretty good arm.  Not college or pro level by any means, but I could toss the ball about 60 yards.  It literally took a running start and everything I had to get the ball out that far.  I watch Allen, and I just can't figure out how he does what he does.  I mean, there are so many times, during just about every game, that Allen will uncork a ball that goes 40-50 yards in the air and it looks like he just flicks his wrist to do it.  It's so effortless and not only does the ball travel that far, but it does so on a freaking line.  And even on the short ones, the ball just screams out of his hand and gets out there so fast.  I know pro QBs all have superior arm talent in some way shape or form.  You don't get to the NFL without it.  But you watch these other QBs throw an out and then you watch Allen throw an out and it is just different.  I will never get tired of watching our guy throw a football.  Crazy stuff. 

[Simon]

  On 12/30/2024 at 10:04 PM, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Yeah, I was temporarily annoyed at Shakir for dropping that one and depriving Josh and everyone of the pleasure of seeing that playing endlessly in highlight packages.

 

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And it might not even have been the most ridiculous throw of the game.

That dart he ripped down the sideline on the run that Coleman mishandled was absurd.

I swear these guys drop balls sometimes just because they're stunned it got there.

 

 

  On 12/30/2024 at 10:07 PM, sven233 said:

I mean, there are so many times, during just about every game, that Allen will uncork a ball that goes 40-50 yards in the air and it looks like he just flicks his wrist to do it.

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The TD to Cooper yesterday was a good example of that.

A sidearm flick that went 40+ yards and you could tell he he had to make a conscious effort to take something off it.

wtf???

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just looking at the snap counts for the game. Buffalo Joe played 26 snaps and came away with 8 tackles?! That’s nuts.

[Warcodered]

  On 12/30/2024 at 9:29 PM, Simon said:

 

That ball he threw off only one foot while falling backwards and nearly on the ground that smacked Shakir right in the hands was his 4,763rd instance of "Never seen that one before" 

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Yeah that throw makes no ***** sense, the power for a QB's throws is supposed to come off that back foot, so he just all armed that ball and it looked like a typical great Josh Allen pass.