Chuck Smith, DL Coach of the Ravens

[transient]

7 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

I am confident Beane will address the D Line once the 70m dead cap stranglehold is released after the season. 

How much is the DL and how much is a secondary relying on Hamlin, Rapp and Douglas in coverage. Benford is the only one holding up his end of the bargain from last season. Losing Hyde and Poyer's experience from last season and Douglas seemingly losing a step from last season as this season wore on had a big role in the D's performance against the Rams and Lions. The Ravens, on the other hand, are just a bad matchup for this defense. Henry, in general, has always been a problem for this defense and McDermott. 

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Progress...

 

yes. by all means, let's go get the architect of that "turnaround"...

[JohnNord]

19 hours ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

Clearly we have the best OL coach in Kromer. You see what transforming potential does with these kids and we consistently have underdeveloped potential every season with our DL. We need to figure out a way to lure Smith away from the Ravens. He’s the best positional developer of DL and pass rush talent in The League. Bring him in as the DC in title with a focus on the DL and pass rush. 

This is a silly post.  That’s like Miami saying “we need to lure away Aaron Kromer from Buffalo.” 
 

Positional coaches can’t make lateral moves unless their team approves it.  Most times they block lateral moves.

 

That means to get Smith to Buffalo you’d have to make him defensive coordinator.  Sounds like a terrible idea
 

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, T master said:

Even though Babich and McD have worked together a long time i feel last years D was much better when McD was calling it ! I think Babich has a lot more to learn he isn't close to what the Bills need in that position .

FRAZIER !

[3rdand12]

54 minutes ago, transient said:

How much is the DL and how much is a secondary relying on Hamlin, Rapp and Douglas in coverage. Benford is the only one holding up his end of the bargain from last season. Losing Hyde and Poyer's experience from last season and Douglas seemingly losing a step from last season as this season wore on had a big role in the D's performance against the Rams and Lions. The Ravens, on the other hand, are just a bad matchup for this defense. Henry, in general, has always been a problem for this defense and McDermott. 

D line

so far is the issue.

Back seven would look great with a strong four up front I might guarantee.
Today was a glimpse of what we want form the D line

against a gimped up Jets. Buts that the week to week goal. Back seven+1 shined

26 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This is a silly post.  That’s like Miami saying “we need to lure away Aaron Kromer from Buffalo.” 
 

Positional coaches can’t make lateral moves unless their team approves it.  Most times they block lateral moves.

 

That means to get Smith to Buffalo you’d have to make him defensive coordinator.  Sounds like a terrible idea
 

Well. That does it then.  Game over 
The next question is for you Snappy. please

 How do we feel about our Dline and LBs Coaching this year ?

Players , Coaching , injuries ??? All of the above .

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, transient said:

How much is the DL and how much is a secondary relying on Hamlin, Rapp and Douglas in coverage. Benford is the only one holding up his end of the bargain from last season. Losing Hyde and Poyer's experience from last season and Douglas seemingly losing a step from last season as this season wore on had a big role in the D's performance against the Rams and Lions. The Ravens, on the other hand, are just a bad matchup for this defense. Henry, in general, has always been a problem for this defense and McDermott. 

 

McDermott will tell you “it all starts up front”.  His defensive design critically relies upon mainting gap integrity against the run AND getting enough pressure to make the QB uncomfortable and rushed with 4 DLmen.

 

That’s why historically he’s been able to be a ‘DB whisperer”

[WideNine]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The starters in the secondary aren't that great when they aren't injured.

 

I think the talent may be there, but man they need to tighten up and do a better job on third downs.

 

Some of that certainly comes down to the pass rush being able to get home.

 

We often seem to be painted into a schematic corner. Send 4 and drop the rest and QBs tend to have too long to find someone open. Send the blitz and roll the dice we get burnt in coverage.

 

Even so there are plenty of times our front 4 do get heat on the QB and our soft zones behind the sticks and/or poor tackling give up the conversion.

 

So if they can tighten up the coverage and tackling on 3rd downs we would see more consistency getting some stops to force more punts.

 

We also play a hell of a lot better when Babich has schemed up ways to stuff the run early and we play with the lead.

 

Good job by the defense today...enough came together for them and stationary QBs like Rogers they tend to have a lot of success playing.

 

Rapp is such a sound tackler you notice it when he is out.

 

I wish Buffalo Joe had Milano's experience and anticipation. You can tell Milano knows where he needs to be, but is a tick slow getting to his spot and not always in the best position to make the tackle. Trying to be patient hoping he plays his way back into pro-bowl form.

 

Meanwhile Andreeson seems to close in a hurry and stick every tackle when he is where he is supposed to be...the kid may be a pleasant surprise and come into his own with more reps.

 

With the exception of the d-line Beane has built quite a pipeline of young talent.

 

 

 

 

[Chaos]

16 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I worry that he’ll be swindled away. I don’t blame him for the state the interior DLine is in.

who do you blame?

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

I am confident Beane will address the D Line once the 70m dead cap stranglehold is released after the season. 

With what? More rotational players vs moving up to get a stud on the DL?

 

[T master]

16 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Or maybe it was because McD was calling a defense including Hyde, Poyer, White, & Milano.  The defense certainly was rebuilt more this year than offense.

 

Do think most FA signings and high draft picks will be on the defensive side

 

Yes i believe that the D line will be a priority this draft and as usual Beane will bring in some late round finds for the back end of the D i feel the offense is pretty much set and they will bring back some of those signed for 1 year but it's been apparent that the D is the weakness on this team .

 

But try telling that to some here they would rather fire McD and start all over again rather than build from here while continuing to win while doing it .

 

Makes little to NO sense at all !! 

[JP51]

On 12/29/2024 at 9:26 AM, T master said:

Even though Babich and McD have worked together a long time i feel last years D was much better when McD was calling it ! I think Babich has a lot more to learn he isn't close to what the Bills need in that position .

I agree I think he is more of a problem than a solution... that said interior DL and Saftey position must be addressed in off-season maybe even edge need some help here... babich or personel I think a bit of both 

[T master]

19 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I agree I think he is more of a problem than a solution... that said interior DL and Saftey position must be addressed in off-season maybe even edge need some help here... babich or personel I think a bit of both 

 

I'm just a "fan" and unlike others here i realize there are some short comings on our team that we root for but i do have faith in those "Professionals" that do this for a living and have been hired to and in most cases succeeded in making our team a winner every year to continue to make the changes to get us to that end goal being a SB .

 

Beane will do his normal magic every year and bring in players to make the team better & McD i feel will learn from mistakes he makes as a relatively young HC and change the things no matter how hard the decision might be to get us to there or die trying .

 

But i'm not willing like some here to go and make a change say like Chicago did bringing in a Eberfluse only to go backwards . All of those that think just by making a HC ing change that this will be the magic elixer to getting to the SB well that is the reason why they are Janitors, mechanics, nurses & "Fans" & not professional NFL coaches or FO personal . 

Edited December 30, 2024 by T master

[JerseyBills]

On 12/29/2024 at 9:26 AM, T master said:

Even though Babich and McD have worked together a long time i feel last years D was much better when McD was calling it ! I think Babich has a lot more to learn he isn't close to what the Bills need in that position .

I mean, we are what we ate, a bend but don't break D, the main thing that has killed this D is 3rd down conversions

[T master]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I mean, we are what we ate, a bend but don't break D, the main thing that has killed this D is 3rd down conversions

 

True but lets hope the game yesterday is the beginning of this D being healthy getting it figured out at the right time and going for it .

[JP51]

16 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I'm just a "fan" and unlike others here i realize there are some short comings on our team that we root for but i do have faith in those "Professionals" that do this for a living and have been hired to and in most cases succeeded in making our team a winner every year to continue to make the changes to get us to that end goal being a SB .

 

Beane will do his normal magic every year and bring in players to make the team better & McD i feel will learn from mistakes he makes as a relatively young HC and change the things no matter how hard the decision might be to get us to there or die trying .

 

But i'm not willing like some here to go and make a change say like Chicago did bringing in a Eberfluse only to go backwards . All of those that think just by making a HC ing change that this will be the magic elixer to getting to the SB well that is the reason why they are Janitors, mechanics, nurses & "Fans" & not professional NFL coaches or FO personal . 

I don't disagree with your premise at all, just not sure why you attached my post to it... i mean that's fine but I wasn't suggesting a coaching change nor was I talking about the head coach. My post was related to Babich and the need for both the Defensive Personnel and the Coach both to improve. Whether that is internally or by addition in the off-season or what ever I would look for significant scrutiny in the off season from the FO on the d performance this year

Edited December 30, 2024 by JP51

[T master]

6 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I don't disagree with your premise at all, just not sure why you attached my post to it... i mean that's fine but I wasn't suggesting a coaching change nor was I talking about the head coach. My post was related to Babich and the need for both the Defensive Personnel and the Coach both to improve. Whether that is internally or by addition in the off-season or what ever I would look for significant scrutiny in the off season from the FO on the d performance this year

 

Sorry i wasn't implying anything as far as your post goes it was just a in general statement . I guess because i have read so much here about how McD as a coach needs to be gone it just blows me away .

 

I think Beane by what he has done since being hired will do what ever it takes to make the Bills a SB champion ! He made some very hard decisions when he first got here in getting rid of good players & he did it again last year ! Plus i feel just maybe the Frazier decision could have been a easier way of firing him rather than drag a really good coach & person through the social media mud .

 

So i have all the faith in those hired here to do the job no matter what decisions need to be made & that includes what ever decisions need to be made with Babich too !! 

[MJS]

On 12/29/2024 at 8:41 AM, ClemsonBills said:

With a bunch of guys that will play 50 percent of snaps. It’s comical how much we spend on dline for these guys to play 1/2 a game

You realize that every team does this, right?

[JP51]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Sorry i wasn't implying anything as far as your post goes it was just a in general statement . I guess because i have read so much here about how McD as a coach needs to be gone it just blows me away .

 

I think Beane by what he has done since being hired will do what ever it takes to make the Bills a SB champion ! He made some very hard decisions when he first got here in getting rid of good players & he did it again last year ! Plus i feel just maybe the Frazier decision could have been a easier way of firing him rather than drag a really good coach & person through the social media mud .

 

So i have all the faith in those hired here to do the job no matter what decisions need to be made & that includes what ever decisions need to be made with Babich too !! 

I do think that the GM is best making those decisions and not the fans lol 

[Reks Ryan]

23 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Skewed by early results. In the last 6 games, they have given up 181, 202, 112, 181, 198, and 153 passing yards. In terms of total yards given up, they have averaged 267 over that 6 game stretch (and just 16 ppg). They are arguably playing the best defense in the NFL right now.

I agree that the Ravens D has improved in the recent games I watched compared to early and mid-season games.  But if you make it the last 7 games you would count the 428 yards given up to Burrow.     Besides banged up Steelers, Texans, and NYG team in recent weeks they did hold the Eagles and Chargers in check.  

 

It seems to me that their secondary especially Humphrey and Hamilton have been playing really well in the recent games I watched   I hadn't noticed great D-Line play from the Ravens

 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

On 12/28/2024 at 8:12 PM, Snappysnackcakes said:

Clearly we have the best OL coach in Kromer. You see what transforming potential does with these kids and we consistently have underdeveloped potential every season with our DL. We need to figure out a way to lure Smith away from the Ravens. He’s the best positional developer of DL and pass rush talent in The League. Bring him in as the DC in title with a focus on the DL and pass rush. 

Don't know anything about Smith, but agree with the sentiment. Kromer has been awesome, and I've thought the same thing that I'd love a similar guy for the DL.

DL needs a complete overhaul, and a stud veteran DL coach is where it starts.

 

I'd also love to see us spend two of our three top-64 picks this year on 320+lb long-armed DTs, at least one of which is a stud 1Tech. We need to bring the pain up the middle and unfortuantely DaQuan seems to have lost it (loved him in 2022 & 2023 pre-injury).

 

Ed has his flash moments but until proven otherwise he gets swallowed up & neutralized in the playoffs with his short arms and lighter frame. Some beef at the 1T & 3T would also wear O-lines & RBs out for the 4th quarter, as we've seen our top 5 O-line do to the opposition's DL in reverse. This is a great draft class to upgrade both DT positions for cheap and move on with a fresh start and a new DL coach.