McDermott cost us #1 seed

[BRH]

Lots of people getting "pre-mad" (as my son calls it) about our seeding and its implications.

 

What was it Marv once said to a fan who told him he couldn't take it anymore if the Bills went to another Super Bowl?  "I understand how you feel.  But I'm glad you're not on my team."

 

Stop playing the what-if game.  If the team is afraid of anybody these next few weeks they might as well pack it in and go home.

[Draconator]

12 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Has there ever been teams with only one loss in a season, I'm guessing no.

1985 Bears

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, GoBills! said:

We were suppose to be a 10 -11 win team because we have no number 1 WR and it’s a rebuild year. 

 

I know, right?  Before the season the prevailing mood around here was to piss and moan about how the season was gonna suck because we hadn't done enough to replace our losses at WR, safety and CB and then injuries at LB.  So now we're 12-3., locked up the division with 5 weeks to go, and it's all McDermott's fault ?

 

Some people are never happy

[T master]

It just blows me away that these kind of fans can't find a silver lining in anything that the coaches & FO for the Bills have done since they have been here alls they can do is B**CH !! How soon they forget after 17 years of being irrelevant in the NFL .

 

Not 1 losing season since McD and company took over, multiple AFC east Championships, always a threat to go to the SB, and they still B**CH .

 

These kind of Bills fans must be a hoot to live with !! Just saying .

[BillsMontreal]

5 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Those 14 regular season wins are great, but most just care about winning the 4 post season games

You got it. They won the games they had to win against teams with losing record. 

The Bills are 3-3 against teams with a winning record.

It's a great season in terms of Win-Lose...and now, they have to beat those winning teams 3 times in a row only to be in the Big show and 4 games in a row to win it.

Having a 14 or 15 wins in a season is absolutely great.  But, a 1-1 or even 2-1 in playoffs isnt enough with the QB and the offense we have.

It's all about expectations.

 

With a QB like Allen, we never know. Our conservative HC will have to not try to slow down our offense to help our defense. If our offense can score at will against those kind of teams, let them score.  If we have to win, it will be by our offense. Let them score. Fast or not, let them score like they want to. 

 

I dont want to lose because our offense has to slow down because the defense needs help.  I want to see them playing to win.

 

I dont trust that bend but dont break at all against a good QB, a good offense and i just hope they could help our offense a little when they will need it.

 

Let see in a couple of weeks.

Go Bills.

 

 

[Chaos]

The playoff structure is broken.  Having the #1 seed be the only bye, and having the advantage of re-bracketing the playoffs after each round is too big of an advantage in a league with unbalanced schedules. 

 

But that is the rule. 

And Andy Reid clearly grasps that the week 1 game counts as much as the week 15 game,  and is prepared and grinds every game.   McDermott did a fine job getting to 12-3.  But McDermott's attention to every detail (going back to 13 seconds) is  a cut below the Chiefs, and this coaching difference is arguably the primary reason the Chiefs are the #1 seed, and Bills are not, despite having beaten the Chiefs. 

The Bills have a legit shot at the Super Bowl this year.   The #1 seed advantages give the Chiefs a better shot.  But all the teams are flawed, including the Chiefs,and the Bills chances are second best in the NFL (in my opinion).  If Bills win the Super Bowl, the decision to ride with McDermott (currently only Tomlin, Harbaugh and Reid are longer tenured with their team) for as long as they have will be validated. 

If the Bills don't advance to the Super Bowl, the offseason threads will be dominated by two themes. 

1. One group of fans insisting that the Bills 2024 season was a coaching miracle of taking a bunch of injured misfits to the playoffs (backed by the ridiculous pre-season narratives that the Jets and Dolphins were far better positioned to win the AFC East)

2. Another group of fans asking "Is eight seasons enough time for a head coach with a potential Hall of Fame QB on the roster a fair chance to get to the Super Bowl?"

Both groups of posters will be 100% sure there is no possible legimate point of view expressed by the posters in the opposing group. 

 

[DrBob806]

12 minutes ago, T master said:

It just blows me away that these kind of fans can't find a silver lining in anything that the coaches & FO for the Bills have done since they have been here alls they can do is B**CH !! How soon they forget after 17 years of being irrelevant in the NFL .

 

Not 1 losing season since McD and company took over, multiple AFC east Championships, always a threat to go to the SB, and they still B**CH .

 

These kind of Bills fans must be a hoot to live with !! Just saying .

My brother-in-law in Pittsburgh has been bitching about Tomlin for 10+ years. Pittsburgh has the NFL's worst fans it seems.

 

Yes, fan is short for fanatic, but even Bills fans are getting entitled like Steeler fans. 

 

Look 190 miles west down I-90, or about 1700 miles west towards Nevada.....now those fans have a right to complain

 

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by DrBob806

[billsfan714]

27 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

My brother-in-law in Pittsburgh has been bitching about Tomlin for 10+ years. Pittsburgh has the NFL's worst fans it seems.

 

Yes, fan is short for fanatic, but even Bills fans are getting entitled like Steeler fans. 

 

Look 190 miles west down I-90, or about 1700 miles west towards Nevada.....now those fans have a right to complain

 

 

As someone who lives in Pa I can attest to that.   The difference is Tomlin has never had a losing season with crap at QB like a shot big Ben, Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky, Pickett, etc.   To me Steeler fans are blaming the wrong person.   Its the GM who hasnt found a successor to Ben.   Tomlin has been doing miracles with mediocre talent at the QB position.

Edited December 29, 2024 by billsfan714

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

My brother-in-law in Pittsburgh has been bitching about Tomlin for 10+ years. Pittsburgh has the NFL's worst fans it seems.

 

Yes, fan is short for fanatic, but even Bills fans are getting entitled like Steeler fans. 

 

Look 190 miles west down I-90, or about 1700 miles west towards Nevada.....now those fans have a right to complain

 

I think the Yinzers have a right to be concerned about their organization.  2 SB appearances and 1 win is arguably underperforming for a decade of Prime Big Ben. 

On the other hand, for the last 6 years, Tomlin has been dealt a bum hand at the most important position (QB).  They tried to address it in the later rounds 2x hoping they could get a guy who would grow into the job behind Roethlisberger (Dobbs, Rudolph).  They tried to address it in the 1st (Pickett).  They tried to address it by signing a former great (Wilson).  So it's certainly not all on Tomlin, but it also hasn't been Enough.

 

I understand the concerns that McDermott is good, but maybe not good enough, but this nonsense folks toss around as though they could pluck just about anyone out of anywhere and do as well, let alone better is wearing my last nerve.

 

[DrBob806]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think the Yinzers have a right to be concerned about their organization.  2 SB appearances and 1 win is arguably underperforming for a decade of Prime Big Ben. 

On the other hand, for the last 6 years, Tomlin has been dealt a bum hand at the most important position (QB).  They tried to address it in the later rounds 2x hoping they could get a guy who would grow into the job behind Roethlisberger (Dobbs, Rudolph).  They tried to address it in the 1st (Pickett).  They tried to address it by signing a former great (Wilson).  So it's certainly not all on Tomlin, but it also hasn't been Enough.

 

I understand the concerns that McDermott is good, but maybe not good enough, but this nonsense folks toss around as though they could pluck just about anyone out of anywhere and do as well, let alone better is wearing my last nerve.

 

I should have expanded my bro-in-law's complaint...

 

He says Tomlin is intimidated by coaches with a clue. He got rid of Todd Haley because he wasn't a "yes man" to Tomlin, and the offense has been iffy at best. 

 

I don't really care about Pittsburgh, I've hated 'em since I was a kid, but you have to give their organization props. They're always in contention.

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

As someone who lives in Pa I can attest to that.   The difference is Tomlin has never had a losing season with crap at QB like a shot big Ben, Mason Rudolph, Mitch Trubisky, Pickett, etc.   To me Steeler fans are blaming the wrong person.   Its the GM who hasnt found a successor to Ben.   Tomlin has been doing miracles with mediocre talent at the QB position.

 

Thank you. Yes, I agree. 

And it's not that the Steelers organization hasn't taken some shots.  They just haven't taken enough of a shot, and with both Pickett and Wilson they really didn't put enough of an OL in front of them.

The Bills made that same OL sieve mistake in 2018 with Allen but because he's 1 of 1 he overcame it - took him a couple years though.

 

[T.E.]

1 hour ago, T master said:

It just blows me away that these kind of fans can't find a silver lining in anything that the coaches & FO for the Bills have done since they have been here alls they can do is B**CH !! How soon they forget after 17 years of being irrelevant in the NFL .

 

Not 1 losing season since McD and company took over, multiple AFC east Championships, always a threat to go to the SB, and they still B**CH .

 

These kind of Bills fans must be a hoot to live with !! Just saying .

He has the most talented football player ever on his team and they still chronically underachieve. I know that some Bills fans are so traumatized by the drought that they're thrilled to just win a wild card game every year, but some of us would actually like to see them win the Super Bowl at some point, and we aren't thrilled with the career of the best player in franchise history being wasted.

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

I should have expanded my bro-in-law's complaint...

 

He says Tomlin is intimidated by coaches with a clue. He got rid of Todd Haley because he wasn't a "yes man" to Tomlin, and the offense has been iffy at best. 

 

I don't really care about Pittsburgh, I've hated 'em since I was a kid, but you have to give their organization props. They're always in contention.

 

It was Big Ben who got rid of Haley.  And Haley is now a UFL coach.

Edited December 29, 2024 by Doc

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

I should have expanded my bro-in-law's complaint...

 

He says Tomlin is intimidated by coaches with a clue. He got rid of Todd Haley because he wasn't a "yes man" to Tomlin, and the offense has been iffy at best. 

 

I don't really care about Pittsburgh, I've hated 'em since I was a kid, but you have to give their organization props. They're always in contention.

 

I would roll my eyes at your BIL.  If Haley had such a great clue, why post-Pittsburgh did he spend 2 years coaching HS and now coaching USFL?  Tomlin spent 6 years with Haley as his OC, but all of a sudden he's "intimidated" by him and he has to go because he's not a "yes man"?

 

As HC of the Chiefs, Haley was noted as an egomaniac who created an atmosphere of mistrust and intrigue.  Canning Haley and hiring Reid a year later was clearly a great move.  As the Pittsburgh OC, there was notable conflict between Haley, Big Ben, and sometimes other players (Blount).  At the time, it was rumored that Pittsburgh moved on from Haley because he and Ben just couldn't work it out.

 

Big Ben had his most productive season as a passer the year after Haley left, so there's that.

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by Beck Water

[Ya Digg?]

59 minutes ago, BillsMontreal said:

You got it. They won the games they had to win against teams with losing record. 

The Bills are 3-3 against teams with a winning record.

It's a great season in terms of Win-Lose...and now, they have to beat those winning teams 3 times in a row only to be in the Big show and 4 games in a row to win it.

Having a 14 or 15 wins in a season is absolutely great.  But, a 1-1 or even 2-1 in playoffs isnt enough with the QB and the offense we have.

It's all about expectations.

 

With a QB like Allen, we never know. Our conservative HC will have to not try to slow down our offense to help our defense. If our offense can score at will against those kind of teams, let them score.  If we have to win, it will be by our offense. Let them score. Fast or not, let them score like they want to. 

 

I dont want to lose because our offense has to slow down because the defense needs help.  I want to see them playing to win.

 

I dont trust that bend but dont break at all against a good QB, a good offense and i just hope they could help our offense a little when they will need it.

 

Let see in a couple of weeks.

Go Bills.

 

 

Ah yes, the old conservative coach trope. Even though he goes for it on 4th down more than almost any coach, the team averages over 30 points a game, etc. Do you actually watch the games?

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, T.E. said:

He has the most talented football player ever on his team and they still chronically underachieve. I know that some Bills fans are so traumatized by the drought that they're thrilled to just win a wild card game every year, but some of us would actually like to see them win the Super Bowl at some point, and we aren't thrilled with the career of the best player in franchise history being wasted.

 

I understand that point of view.  But people who hold it have to understand that one uber-talented player is not enough; if it were, 15 years of Rodgers in Green Bay would have resulted in more than one Superbowl win.  There has to be enough of a talented team put in place around that QB as well.  

 

The point of view that irks me is the one which seems to hold that replacing a winning coach who has built a consistently contending culture with - just about anyone? is going to automagically be an improvement that results in Championships.  Because it's not.

[T.E.]

10 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

The point of view that irks me is the one which seems to hold that replacing a winning coach who has built a consistently contending culture with - just about anyone? is going to automagically be an improvement that results in Championships.  Because it's not.

Maybe it doesn't. Or maybe you end up like Tampa Bay, who replaced Dungy and won the Super Bowl the very next year. The point is, if we lose a 4th straight Divisional round game, and if it's because of the defense yet again, how many times do we keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

The rest of the NFL cost the Bills the one seed. It seems the Bills are the only team that can consistently beat the Chiefs these last four seasons (4wins 2 losses). We all thought the Rams loss cost the Bills the one seed. Turns out that game didn't even matter in the chase for the one seed because the rest of the league is so bad against the Chiefs. 

[GerstAusGosheim]

13 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

McDermott stinks! We’d be way better off with;

 

Rex

Marrone

Gailey

Jauron

Malarkey

Phillips

Williams

 

😵‍💫

 

I know you're being intentionally disingenuous for laughs, but...

 

Every single one of those coaches makes the playoffs with Josh Allen. Every one. And if Phillips had Josh from the start, he likely remains the Bills coach for a very long time and wins a SB, possibly multiple – making the hiring of the others completely unnecessary. 

 

But since we're playing that game, how many seasons would Sean make the playoffs with Kelly Holcomb, J.P. Losman, EJ Manuel, Alex Van Pelt, Trent Edwards, Thad Lewis?

 

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Maybe it doesn't. Or maybe you end up like Tampa Bay, who replaced Dungy and won the Super Bowl the very next year. The point is, if we lose a 4th straight Divisional round game, and if it's because of the defense yet again, how many times do we keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.

 

That team would have won with Dungy. They won despite Gruden, not because of him (and the Raiders were complete idiots for not changing anything prior to playing their former coach).

 

You are more likely to get Rex Ryan type results imo, which is to say very disappointing. We can do MUCH WORSE than McD, but everybody thinks replacing him will be a piece of cake. You want to waste some of Josh’s prime? Get a new coach and new schemes, then go looking for players who are suited for those schemes, then cross your fingers and hold your breath hoping the next guy works out better than what we already have in the first few years. 

 

 

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Edited December 29, 2024 by Augie