Sierra Foothills Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 3 hours ago, CSBill said: Wow! This may be bigger than your theory of relativity. We have a winner... 1 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Is there data on coach challenges? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0/challenges/ 1 Quote
Einstein Posted December 28, 2024 Author Posted December 28, 2024 8 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Is there data on coach challenges? Added: Daboll with a surprisingly high 70% win rate. PS, with all charts, the team logo can be off by a couple % points. Its minor, but just FYI. 1 Quote
Einstein Posted December 28, 2024 Author Posted December 28, 2024 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0/challenges/ interesting. Today I learned to never blindly trust Pro Football Reference. Why? Pro Football Reference shows McD with 13 challenges over the past 3 seasons, with 5 of those 13 being wins. My program shows 14 challenges with 6 wins. At first I assumed that my program was wrong, because why would PFR have incorrect data? But then I pulled the actual play by play data, and it turns out that my program is right and PFR is wrong. There are 14 challenges by Buffalo over the past 3 seasons and we won 6 of them. 1 Quote
Dan Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 When you add other teams to this platform, and start charging a subscription fee. As you absolutely should, assuming its actually this good. (unless I missed the live link here) ..My suggestion is you keep it free for registered members of TBD. Show us some hometown love. 1 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 @Einstein Is there the ability to break down offensive and defensive personnel/packages/coverage scheme/fronts etc on a per game basis Quote
Freddie's Dead Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McDeSe0/challenges/ Thank you for that link. I wanted to cross-reference challenges across all coaches. I have a disagreement with a friend who says that all coaches suck at challenges and game clock management, so I'm trying to either prove or disprove my hypothesis that the Bills coach is really bad at challenges compared to the rest of the league. 21 minutes ago, Einstein said: interesting. Today I learned to never blindly trust Pro Football Reference. Why? Pro Football Reference shows McD with 13 challenges over the past 3 seasons, with 5 of those 13 being wins. My program shows 14 challenges with 6 wins. At first I assumed that my program was wrong, because why would PFR have incorrect data? But then I pulled the actual play by play data, and it turns out that my program is right and PFR is wrong. There are 14 challenges by Buffalo over the past 3 seasons and we won 6 of them. Does it have down and distance? I frankly don't care if the call on the field is upheld or reversed. I'm interested in correlating the useless challenges, like a 5 yard completion on 2nd and 6, etc. And I want to do that against all coaches. 1 Quote
Einstein Posted December 28, 2024 Author Posted December 28, 2024 16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: @Einstein Is there the ability to break down offensive and defensive personnel/packages/coverage scheme/fronts etc on a per game basis Yep..... but i'm a little scared to put that feature on the online version for everyone. In order to use those calls it scrapes PFF data. I'm uncertain how PFF would respond to that being public. 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 25 minutes ago, Einstein said: interesting. Today I learned to never blindly trust Pro Football Reference. Why? Pro Football Reference shows McD with 13 challenges over the past 3 seasons, with 5 of those 13 being wins. My program shows 14 challenges with 6 wins. At first I assumed that my program was wrong, because why would PFR have incorrect data? But then I pulled the actual play by play data, and it turns out that my program is right and PFR is wrong. There are 14 challenges by Buffalo over the past 3 seasons and we won 6 of them. PFR is far from perfect. Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yep..... but i'm a little scared to put that feature on the online version for everyone. In order to use those calls it scrapes PFF data. I'm uncertain how PFF would respond to that being public. I figured🤙makes sense Quote
notpolian Posted December 28, 2024 Posted December 28, 2024 45 minutes ago, Einstein said: Added: Daboll with a surprisingly high 70% win rate. PS, with all charts, the team logo can be off by a couple % points. Its minor, but just FYI. Just this chart alone is worth the price of admission. Not surprised to see O'Connell and Reid in the upper right. Vikings are a well coached team: see Darnold, Sam. Nice to see Daboll making good decisions. McDermott is about where I'd expect, a bit less than a coin flip success rate and a median number. Small sample size, but I'd bet he's been a little better this year. I hear what you are saying about scraping data. I have a little personal experience with that starting years ago and it can be touchy. I'd bet a paid site would be unhappy at best, I too would steer clear of that here. 1 Quote
Einstein Posted December 28, 2024 Author Posted December 28, 2024 56 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Does it have down and distance? I frankly don't care if the call on the field is upheld or reversed. Sure does. Click the image to make it bigger. 1 1 Quote
BillsFooteball Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 Can you tell me after a McDermott calls a defensive timeout, how often does the opposing offense immediately have a big play? Hahaha but really this is very cool and well done! 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 8 hours ago, Einstein said: Yep..... but i'm a little scared to put that feature on the online version for everyone. In order to use those calls it scrapes PFF data. I'm uncertain how PFF would respond to that being public. Yea they'd shut you down pretty quick I reckon even though you are not trying to monetise it. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 @Einstein this does look like a real triumph as a piece of work. How does one access it? Or do we need to wait until its uploaded onto a domain? Tech is definitely not my bag if you can't tell Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 11 hours ago, Einstein said: interesting. Today I learned to never blindly trust Pro Football Reference. Why? Pro Football Reference shows McD with 13 challenges over the past 3 seasons, with 5 of those 13 being wins. My program shows 14 challenges with 6 wins. At first I assumed that my program was wrong, because why would PFR have incorrect data? But then I pulled the actual play by play data, and it turns out that my program is right and PFR is wrong. There are 14 challenges by Buffalo over the past 3 seasons and we won 6 of them. I wonder if PFR hasn't updated since the challenge in November. Thank you for not only the hard work, but the excellence of the work. This is really a significant accomplishment. Kudos and thanks again to you. 👍 1 Quote
Einstein Posted December 29, 2024 Author Posted December 29, 2024 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: @Einstein this does look like a real triumph as a piece of work. How does one access it? Or do we need to wait until its uploaded onto a domain? Tech is definitely not my bag if you can't tell Thank you! I’m happy to send you the project files that you can run locally on your computer. But you will need to have an understanding of R and running servers. Or you can use the website version I will publish this upcoming week. I think i’m going to take the advice someone gave earlier in this thread and have an advanced option for folks like you who want to drill down deep, and a simple version for those who want access to quick info. 11 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: I wonder if PFR hasn't updated since the challenge in November. I just don’t understand why. The data is updated near constantly throughout the game. In fact, I’m thinking about adding a feature that rapidly tracks every play the Bills run throughout the game, producing the EPA for each, and predicting the next. So I dont know why they wouldn’t have that data by now. 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted December 29, 2024 Posted December 29, 2024 11 minutes ago, Einstein said: Thank you! I’m happy to send you the project files that you can run locally on your computer. But you will need to have an understanding of R and running servers. Or you can use the website version I will publish this upcoming week. I don't even understand what the top para means. So yea, I'll wait 😄 Quote
Einstein Posted Wednesday at 03:54 PM Author Posted Wednesday at 03:54 PM Added another chart option today. It shows how often teams pass the ball based on the score differential of the game (winning/losing and by how much). Mentioned this in another thread too but the only team who runs the ball more when theyre losing is the Ravens. Quote
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