Ravens fan hopping in to say... "told you so"... to all the doubting Bills fans from 4+ years ago...

[asyranok]

31 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The only one who really every gets brought down is Allen. Jackson is the one who is handled with kid gloves by the media while Allen is routinely criticized. Jackson won the MVP after a pedestrian season when Allen had more than 50% more TDs than him. Jackson went to the Pro Bowl in 2021 with 16 TDs and 13 INTs while Allen and his 42 TDs got snubbed.

 

It's totally fine to point out that Jackson went to a perfect situation and has benefitted from a better running game, a better defense, and better coaching for his entire career.

It took a very long time for Lamar to shake off the hate. From before he was drafted, until well after his first MVP, he was often disrespected by a lot of media personalities. After his MVP, the "he can't throw the ball at all" narrative became a "okay, he is doing fine now, but he will age/get injured and won't be able to use his legs as much. And without him being a dangerous runner, he won't be able to throw the ball well enough to be a QB in the league. He was compared to Cam Newton unfavorably etc. But he kept proving these people wrong, and eventually by around 2022, a lot of the haters gave up the hating. Maybe some of them felt bad that they were so wrong, so they started drooling over him and treating him with kid gloves. Idk. But he definitely was not always adored/given unending media praise.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, buffblue said:

We'll just have to disagree on that. Teams aren't coming into a matchup with the Bills fearful of Cook or designing defensive game plans around stopping him. He is a good player no doubt, but his impact on the field is not close to Henry's and the numbers bear that out. He also isn't capable of carrying the heavy workload that Henry is, which makes him less integral to the functioning of the offense and the ability for the quarterback to do his job

Teams aren’t designing their defenses to just stop Henry. They’re designing their defenses to play in the box (except for Babich) to stop Henry and Jackson.  If Henry were playing with Josh Allen, defenses wouldn’t be playing them the same way they play the ravens imo.  
 

They’re different backs with different strengths.  Henry is a different animal due to his size, but cook is similarly dangerous and has elite breakaway ability 

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Ozzie is a first ballot HoF GM, has a case as the best GM maybe ever.  

The Ozzie talk reminds me of how bad Buddy Nix was as GM.  Ozzie retires & leaves by drafting Lamar Jackson, Buddy retires & leaves by drafting EJ Manuel.  

Edited yesterday at 10:09 PM by Albany,n.y.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, asyranok said:

It took a very long time for Lamar to shake off the hate. From before he was drafted, until well after his first MVP, he was often disrespected by a lot of media personalities. After his MVP, the "he can't throw the ball at all" narrative became a "okay, he is doing fine now, but he will age/get injured and won't be able to use his legs as much. And without him being a dangerous runner, he won't be able to throw the ball well enough to be a QB in the league. He was compared to Cam Newton unfavorably etc. But he kept proving these people wrong, and eventually by around 2022, a lot of the haters gave up the hating. Maybe some of them felt bad that they were so wrong, so they started drooling over him and treating him with kid gloves. Idk. But he definitely was not always adored/given unending media praise.

Who cares? 
 

[asyranok]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Who cares? 
 

Joe does.

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

I’m tired of people bashing the other QB over who’s had the better season.  Media doesn’t help it either.  Both Lamar and Josh are deserving of the award but unfortunately it only goes to 1 person.  Of course i want it to be Josh but if Lamar wins it he’s very deserving of it.  The “he has Henry” argument is ridiculous.  Allen has Cook who’s having a great year ass well.  

It’s funny you write on this point as Sal has been making a similar point on WGR.  He stated it’s not an our guys. the other guy.  The reality is Josh had an MVP year last year, yet it was given to Lamar.  This year Lamar is truly deserving, but so is Josh.  I truly believe Josh will get it, but won’t cry in my milk if Lamar gets it.  The media eggs this narrative on way too much.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:

It’s funny you write on this point as Sal has been making a similar point on WGR.  He stated it’s not an our guys. the other guy.  The reality is Josh had an MVP year last year, yet it was given to Lamar.  This year Lamar is truly deserving, but so is Josh.  I truly believe Josh will get it, but won’t cry in my milk if Lamar gets it.  The media eggs this narrative on way too much.

This is the right take imo

 

Allen and Lamar are both deserving this year. Whoever gets MVP will have 100% earned it. And the sports talk shows need to cool down the rhetoric and admire each player for the season they're having

[T.E.]

2 hours ago, asyranok said:

It took a very long time for Lamar to shake off the hate. From before he was drafted, until well after his first MVP, he was often disrespected by a lot of media personalities. After his MVP, the "he can't throw the ball at all" narrative became a "okay, he is doing fine now, but he will age/get injured and won't be able to use his legs as much. And without him being a dangerous runner, he won't be able to throw the ball well enough to be a QB in the league. He was compared to Cam Newton unfavorably etc. But he kept proving these people wrong, and eventually by around 2022, a lot of the haters gave up the hating. Maybe some of them felt bad that they were so wrong, so they started drooling over him and treating him with kid gloves. Idk. But he definitely was not always adored/given unending media praise.

Almost none of this actually happened. Bill Pollan made one off-handed comment before the draft about how he might be better as a receiver, it was universally treated as sacrilege, and Jackson has been getting his balls washed by the media ever since.

[Dr.Sack]

Kansas City sitting back enjoying this charade. The real MVP is the QB who beats Mahomes. 

[asyranok]

29 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Almost none of this actually happened. Bill Pollan made one off-handed comment before the draft about how he might be better as a receiver, it was universally treated as sacrilege, and Jackson has been getting his balls washed by the media ever since.

Saying that didn't happen is gaslighting. Plain and simple.

[Simon]

2 hours ago, asyranok said:

It took a very long time for Lamar to shake off the hate. From before he was drafted, until well after his first MVP, he was often disrespected by a lot of media personalities...... But he kept proving these people wrong, and eventually by around 2022, a lot of the haters gave up the hating.

 

I admit to being one of those guys.

I gave him a ration of shlt his first two years for only being able to use half the field; than I gave him a couple years of he's just another one read QB.

Then last year I shut my piehole when it looked like the game was really starting to slow down for him. Then this year he took an even bigger leap imo, and is now playing the best ball of his life.

 

On a side note while we have you trapped here.

What's up with Roquan Smith's hamstring? That muscle is a lingering pain in the arse and you guys are a completely different D when he's hurt.

Is he OK going forward?

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

They match Josh Allen up every year with a different elite qb which simply justifies his foundational greatest.  The one thing that annoys me the most regarding the Lamer/ Allen argument is Jackson's abysmal playoff performances. I think we as fans obviously would love to see Buffalo get their first QB MVP.  But the true objective I'm sure for JA17 is the Lombardi. 

 

5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Only thing that matters:

 

Lamar 2-4. 1-1 WC, 1-2 DIV, 0-1 AFCG

Allen 5-5. 4-1 WC, 1-3 DIV, 0-1 AFCG

 

Mahomes 15-3. 2-0 WC, 6-0 DIV, 4-2 AFCG, 3-1 SB

 

To those insisting on holding his poor playoff record against him... yes Lamar's history is not stellar but be careful what you wish for (or don't).

 

It looks to me like Josh and Lamar are on a crash course with the expected collision on or about January 18th.

 

20 minutes ago, Simon said:

I admit to being one of those guys.

I gave him a ration of shlt his first two years for only being able to use half the field; than I gave him a couple years of he's just another one read QB.

Then last year I shut my piehole when it looked like the game was really starting to slow down for him. Then this year he took an even bigger leap imo, and is now playing the best ball of his life.

 

On a side note while we have you trapped here.

What's up with Roquan Smith's hamstring? That muscle is a lingering pain in the arse and you guys are a completely different D when he's hurt.

Is he OK going forward?

 

Firstly Josh Allen is my favorite athlete of all time and I would take him over any other QB because of a combination of how I feel about him and what a great player he is.

 

That said, like Simon above, I'm also guilty of judging Lamar... a premature and "permanent" judgement that Lamar has proven wrong.

 

Though Derrick Henry has complicated the evaluation somewhat, there's absolutely zero doubt in objective minds that Lamar has improved every year and become one of the top 3 QBs.

 

In 7 games in his NFL career, Lamar has thrown for more TD passes than incompletions. This is an NFL record.

 

Peyton Manning and Drew Brees accomplished this 6 times.

 

Josh Allen has accomplished this feat exactly twice. Mahomes has done it three times.

 

This is a feat that cannot be done by anyone other than an elite passer.

 

And those saying that Mahomes is overrated are either oblivious or dishonest. Anyone who saw the Steelers game exactly 2 days ago knows Mahomes is as great as ever... or they don't understand the game of football.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 11:41 PM by Sierra Foothills

[T.E.]

24 minutes ago, asyranok said:

Saying that didn't happen is gaslighting. Plain and simple.

It didn't happen. You claiming that "lots" of media personalities were disrespecting Lamar, even after his first MVP, is ridiculous. Maybe you're confusing the opinions of Steelers fans at the bar with actual media members.

[uticaclub]

Lets hope we beat B’more in the playoffs. If they eat out lunch again, what’s the point?

[Sierra Foothills]

7 minutes ago, T.E. said:

It didn't happen. You claiming that "lots" of media personalities were disrespecting Lamar, even after his first MVP, is ridiculous. Maybe you're confusing the opinions of Steelers fans at the bar with actual media members.

 

In the time after he received his first MVP, I remember many in the media being skeptical of his ability to be a pure passer.

 

At that same time there were just as many that thought he was an elite quarterback, even though he actually wasn't yet.

 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

6 hours ago, asyranok said:

I'll make sure to come back and rub it in your faces more after he wins you a superbowl. 
 

 

I’m so desperate for a Super Bowl win that if this is what it takes for the Bills to finally be champions, I’ll let you rub it in my face all day long… but just once and please just don’t tell anyone… 🥺

[Neo]

6 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

I’m tired of people bashing the other QB over who’s had the better season.  Media doesn’t help it either.  Both Lamar and Josh are deserving of the award but unfortunately it only goes to 1 person.  Of course i want it to be Josh but if Lamar wins it he’s very deserving of it.  The “he has Henry” argument is ridiculous.  Allen has Cook who’s having a great year ass well.  

 

Without weighing into the debate, I must say that the argument equating Allen’s help from Cook to Jackson’s help from King Henry is nicely closed with “ass well.”

 

 

 

My ironic typo of the day award.

[Kelly to Allen]

5 hours ago, julian said:

Again.. you seem to be speaking on behalf of those who believe team success determines individual greatness in QBs, you’re correct that everyone has their own opinion and some people choose the criteria of individual play to determine greatness.

 

To be considered the best by the media and by those who subscribe to the media’s criteria then Brady is the GOAT and Mahomes has a way to go, but nobody is ever going to consider Bradshaw in any conversation with all his winning and SBs, so the goal posts seem to be wherever one wishes to place them.

 

 I just happen to believe the purest way of evaluating greatness is to watch them play the game of football, everybody could find a stat or metric to support an argument or simply look at team success… that’s fine but it’s just confirmation bias in most cases.

 

when someone doesn’t agree with you, don’t assume they’re lying, assume they may know something you don’t. I’ve self corrected many points of view after having an open heart mind to possibly changing it.

 

Mahomes from the eye test is the greatest QB that's ever lived imo

 

Mahomes is more talented than Brady

 

Mahomes from an accolades/ rings/ all pros etc is off to the Greatest start maybe in sports history. Larry Bird is probably the other athlete that had such a fast start

 

You can argue with the team success or just remove the team success. Either way he's viewed by many as the greatest ever. 

 

*** Josh Allen has very similar numbers lately, and is in many respects a doppelganger to mahomes. 

 

But Allen in his 2nd year was still developing. Mahomes in his second year won MVP. Since 2020 when Allen got out of his development stage and he got real wrs in diggs and Gabe the numbers have been very close but with a very slight edge to mahomes. 2020 is when the surrounding infrastructure around Allen was at least close to KC.

 

In order for Allen to authentically take the top spot and seriously shift the sports consciousness. To make it the Allen paradigm, 

 

He wins MVP, he beats mahomes in the playoffs, he wins the SB and SB MVP , and then next year he's in the MVP conversation again or he beats mahomes again. 

 

He would then be 6-2 vs mahomes since 21 and this will begin to open up the door where ppl in high up sports discussions are going to say wait... Allen really is better etc 

 

But he has to do it. 

 

 

Here's what I will say to support your argument. The reason some KC fans like Matt verderame for sports illustrated or others in the media are making very disrespectful comments about Allen is because that door is barely creeping open. In the 13 seconds game it started to open and he was a real threat to take over the league 

 

That moment has occurred again potentially here starting in the playoffs 

 

And because sports resembles life, just like with a regime in power, if their legitimacy is starting to be held in question, that regime will lash out. Or when orthodoxy is questioned if a new ideology emerges , the old guard will begin to lash out and try to denigrate the new paradigm.

 

If Allen wins the Superbowl, it's going to open up the door even more. But he actually has to storm the castle and take power metaphorically speaking 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

He also makes multiple plays a game that only a handful of QBs in NFL history could make. His presence on the field helps Henry more than Henry helps Lamar.

 

Trust me I believe Allen deserves to be the MVP but I hate that the conversation always devolves to bringing the other candidates down. Lamar has been excellent this season. It is an MVP type season, it just happens to be simultaneous with a slightly better MVP season from Allen.

I think it's fair to say that Jackson & Henry lift each other up. 

[JerseyBills]

8 hours ago, asyranok said:

Just wanted to rub it in the faces of the Josh Allen doubters. I told you Ravens fans know an elite QB in the making when they see one. You might think seeing tons of good QB's on your team for decades is the best way to identify a future all star. But the real litmus test for being able to spot a pro QB is having the worst (or most disappointing and underperforming) QB's in the nfl playing for you for most of your life as a fan. Makes it all so much clearer when you see someone good who just needs some time.

I'll make sure to come back and rub it in your faces more after he wins you a superbowl. 
 

 

Salute bro. Your QB isn't too bad himself. Many on here are just negative , I also was huge on Allen.