Ravens fan hopping in to say... "told you so"... to all the doubting Bills fans from 4+ years ago...

[T.E.]

14 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

I’m tired of people bashing the other QB over who’s had the better season.  Media doesn’t help it either.  Both Lamar and Josh are deserving of the award but unfortunately it only goes to 1 person.  Of course i want it to be Josh but if Lamar wins it he’s very deserving of it.  The “he has Henry” argument is ridiculous.  Allen has Cook who’s having a great year ass well.  

Henry has almost twice as many rushing yards as Cook and has had a monster game every time they played and beaten an AFC competitor. It's a valid argument when looking at MVP. Lamar may not even be the most valuable player on his own offense.

[HappyDays]

Just now, T.E. said:

Henry has almost twice as many rushing yards as Cook and has had a monster game every time they played and beaten an AFC competitor. It's a valid argument when looking at MVP. Lamar may not even be the most valuable player on his own offense.

 

Lamar is 1000% the MVP of his team. Let's not be too crazy.

[DrBob806]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Yes. There is a demarcation between the two but both are gold jacket QBs. 

 

 

Ozzie is going to get in the Hof as a GM imo 

He's already in, one of the best TEs in NFL history.

[Mark Vader]

23 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

I’m tired of people bashing the other QB over who’s had the better season.  Media doesn’t help it either.  Both Lamar and Josh are deserving of the award but unfortunately it only goes to 1 person.  Of course i want it to be Josh but if Lamar wins it he’s very deserving of it.  The “he has Henry” argument is ridiculous.  Allen has Cook who’s having a great year ass well.  

Yes. Although, do fans and the media talk about Cook the same way they do about Henry?

[RiotAct]

did you set a reminder on your phone, OP?

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

He's already in, one of the best TEs in NFL history.

Oh I know. I'm Saying going in specifically as a gm

Edited Friday at 06:32 PM by Kelly to Allen

[T.E.]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Lamar is 1000% the MVP of his team. Let's not be too crazy.

He throws to the most wide open WRs of any quarterback in the NFL (analytics have actually proven this). Having a RB who is going to finish with 1900+ yards rushing certainly helps in that regard. 

[dave mcbride]

39 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

I’m tired of people bashing the other QB over who’s had the better season.  Media doesn’t help it either.  Both Lamar and Josh are deserving of the award but unfortunately it only goes to 1 person.  Of course i want it to be Josh but if Lamar wins it he’s very deserving of it.  The “he has Henry” argument is ridiculous.  Allen has Cook who’s having a great year ass well.  

Re: Cook -- https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/27/sport/james-cook-bills-best-running-back-spt/index.html

[julian]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I can't say he's the best until he beats mahomes in the playoffs and wins the Superbowl. 

 

That's how it's always been 

That’s not how it’s always been to everyone, some people prefer to watch players actually PLAY the game of football and decide who plays the game better.

 

 I have Allen and Lamar at the top and have been for years, Allen is better passer, Lamar a slightly better runner.

 

Mahomes is not as talented as those two and it’s obvious when you watch them play the game of football, not a knock on Mahomes because 3rd isn’t bad… nothing wrong with bronze.

[Dr.Sack]

48 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

I’m tired of people bashing the other QB over who’s had the better season.  Media doesn’t help it either.  Both Lamar and Josh are deserving of the award but unfortunately it only goes to 1 person.  Of course i want it to be Josh but if Lamar wins it he’s very deserving of it.  The “he has Henry” argument is ridiculous.  Allen has Cook who’s having a great year ass well.  

Mahomes has also played great this down the stretch. He has Reid, Spagnola and arguably the best defense in the NFL.

[NewEra]

42 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Cook is nowhere the near the level of Henry though, and he has barely half the rushing yardage. To act like they're similarly impactful players is ridiculous imo

Nowhere near?  Nonsense.  He’s a legit game breaking RB that can take it to the house in every play.  
 

If you want to say Henry is better, fine, but he’s definitely “near”.  
 

I’d take cook over Henry fwiw

[Kelly to Allen]

11 minutes ago, julian said:

That’s not how it’s always been to everyone, some people prefer to watch players actually PLAY the game of football and decide who plays the game better.

 

 I have Allen and Lamar at the top and have been for years, Allen is better passer, Lamar a slightly better runner.

 

Mahomes is not as talented as those two and it’s obvious when you watch them play the game of football, not a knock on Mahomes because 3rd isn’t bad… nothing wrong with bronze.

 

This is absurd. But everyone has their own opinion 

 

Mahomes is borderline the babe Ruth of the modern era. I don't understand why we can't just be honest. 

 

Yes Allen has a chance to take the lead possibly. But he has to actually do it. And that's just the beginning honestly.

 

Allen to overtake mahomes would need to win MVP, beat mahomes in the playoffs, win the super bowl and super bowl MVP. Then next year he would need to once again be in the MVP conversation or beat mahomes again in the regular season.

 

That in my mind would begin to change the consciousness on who's better and open up the window for that conversation. 

 

We can't just pretend that mahomes isn't in the AFC championship every single frickin year. We can't just pretend that he's not going for a 3 peat and 4th world championship 

 

There is incredible historical equity there that needs not just respect but reverence. 

 

Come on dude

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, T.E. said:

He throws to the most wide open WRs of any quarterback in the NFL (analytics have actually proven this).

 

He also makes multiple plays a game that only a handful of QBs in NFL history could make. His presence on the field helps Henry more than Henry helps Lamar.

 

Trust me I believe Allen deserves to be the MVP but I hate that the conversation always devolves to bringing the other candidates down. Lamar has been excellent this season. It is an MVP type season, it just happens to be simultaneous with a slightly better MVP season from Allen.

[asyranok]

31 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

did you set a reminder on your phone, OP?

lmao 🤣

I play the long game.

16 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Quite possibly the dumbest thread ever started in here…

The thread was a compliment. I'm glad complimenting your team and QB annoys you. I get to be nice to you guys AND be the troll that gets at least one of you upset -  at the same time. Nice.

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Nowhere near?  Nonsense.  He’s a legit game breaking RB that can take it to the house in every play.  
 

If you want to say Henry is better, fine, but he’s definitely “near”.  
 

I’d take cook over Henry fwiw

We'll just have to disagree on that. Teams aren't coming into a matchup with the Bills fearful of Cook or designing defensive game plans around stopping him. He is a good player no doubt, but his impact on the field is not close to Henry's and the numbers bear that out. He also isn't capable of carrying the heavy workload that Henry is, which makes him less integral to the functioning of the offense and the ability for the quarterback to do his job

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Yes. There is a demarcation between the two but both are gold jacket QBs. 

 

 

Ozzie is going to get in the Hof as a GM imo 

Ozzie is a first ballot HoF GM, has a case as the best GM maybe ever.  

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He also makes multiple plays a game that only a handful of QBs in NFL history could make. His presence on the field helps Henry more than Henry helps Lamar.

 

Trust me I believe Allen deserves to be the MVP but I hate that the conversation always devolves to bringing the other candidates down. Lamar has been excellent this season. It is an MVP type season, it just happens to be simultaneous with a slightly better MVP season from Allen.

Yeah, Lamar is having a season that would be a run away MVP seasons in many seasons past.  There is no reason to diminish that.  
 

But Lamar also blew the Chiefs game missing a wide open game winning TD before the toe play.  He also had some struggles in moments in some of the other losses too.  
 

Allen meanwhile has elevated what was supposed to be his worst set of weapons and an offensive step back all year to the #2 seed yet again and if not for a few lucky breaks (like Lamar blowing the Chiefs game) Bills would be the 1 seed and not the 2 seed.  Meanwhile Lamar and the Ravens have dropped 5.

Last year, they said it wasn’t about stats, so Josh couldn’t win it even though he was probably a slight edge over Lamar for more deserving.  This year, it’s clear it’s Josh.  And if stats weren’t the important factor last year, they shouldn’t be this year.  
 

But what concerns me is if Allen had a slow game again this week…voters have recency bias memories, so every week Allen doesn’t post gaudy stats and Lamar does hurts Allen’s chances even while still winning.  And it’s pretty likely Josh sits or only plays a quarter/half the final week too.  
 

So let’s hope Allen smokes the Jets, if he does, the MVP will be his.  If he doesn’t then I worry it’s going to be a close vote that could go either way.  
 

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, buffblue said:

Cook is nowhere the near the level of Henry though, and he has barely half the rushing yardage. To act like they're similarly impactful players is ridiculous imo

 

Jackson won his MVPs without Henry...

 

1 hour ago, asyranok said:

I'd push back on that. Lamar has not been abysmal in the playoffs. The Ravens have been. Every time he's been in the playoffs, I've felt like he was the only one making ANY attempt to win. The rest of the team around him just... chokes. Don't get me wrong, most of his playoff performances are on the "worst of his games" list, but he is always the only one in those games getting anything done. And then his team lets him down and he gets the lionshare of the blame for it for some reason.

 

Jackson is bad in the palyoffs: 6 games, 6 passing TDs, 6 ints, 6 fumbles, 57% completions, rating of 75.5. He took 26 sacks.  Only 3 rushing TDs.

 

Last year vs the Chiefs, he was totally lost. 

 

[julian]

22 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

This is absurd. But everyone has their own opinion 

 

Mahomes is borderline the babe Ruth of the modern era. I don't understand why we can't just be honest. 

 

Yes Allen has a chance to take the lead possibly. But he has to actually do it. And that's just the beginning honestly.

 

Allen to overtake mahomes would need to win MVP, beat mahomes in the playoffs, win the super bowl and super bowl MVP. Then next year he would need to once again be in the MVP conversation or beat mahomes again in the regular season.

 

That in my mind would begin to change the consciousness on who's better and open up the window for that conversation. 

 

We can't just pretend that mahomes isn't in the AFC championship every single frickin year. We can't just pretend that he's not going for a 3 peat and 4th world championship 

 

There is incredible historical equity there that needs not just respect but reverence. 

 

Come on dude

Again.. you seem to be speaking on behalf of those who believe team success determines individual greatness in QBs, you’re correct that everyone has their own opinion and some people choose the criteria of individual play to determine greatness.

 

To be considered the best by the media and by those who subscribe to the media’s criteria then Brady is the GOAT and Mahomes has a way to go, but nobody is ever going to consider Bradshaw in any conversation with all his winning and SBs, so the goal posts seem to be wherever one wishes to place them.

 

 I just happen to believe the purest way of evaluating greatness is to watch them play the game of football, everybody could find a stat or metric to support an argument or simply look at team success… that’s fine but it’s just confirmation bias in most cases.

 

when someone doesn’t agree with you, don’t assume they’re lying, assume they may know something you don’t. I’ve self corrected many points of view after having an open heart mind to possibly changing it.

[T.E.]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He also makes multiple plays a game that only a handful of QBs in NFL history could make. His presence on the field helps Henry more than Henry helps Lamar.

 

Trust me I believe Allen deserves to be the MVP but I hate that the conversation always devolves to bringing the other candidates down. Lamar has been excellent this season. It is an MVP type season, it just happens to be simultaneous with a slightly better MVP season from Allen.

The only one who really every gets brought down is Allen. Jackson is the one who is handled with kid gloves by the media while Allen is routinely criticized. Jackson won the MVP after a pedestrian season when Allen had more than 50% more TDs than him. Jackson went to the Pro Bowl in 2021 with 16 TDs and 13 INTs while Allen and his 42 TDs got snubbed.

 

It's totally fine to point out that Jackson went to a perfect situation and has benefitted from a better running game, a better defense, and better coaching for his entire career.