[Name Only Title] Xavier Worthy

[Beast]

3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

With the high winds and inability to complete a pass beyond 10 yards at times in Buffalo I’m not sure we could have used this guy. He’s fast no doubt, but zone coverage mitigates his speed. 

When has Allen not been able to complete a pass if more than 10 yards. The hurricane against New England? 

7 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

They are 2 totally different types of recievers. I didn’t want Worthy because we’ve already demonstrated we have no idea how to get gadget guys involved in the offense. If we drafted Worthy he’d be lucky to have 2 TDs. We can’t even get Curtis Samuel involved and that’s a guy we are paying 8 million to who has a complete route tree. I’m not shocked at all Worthy is doing well given that Reid is the best play caller in football and knows how to get the most of the talents of his offensive players. He’s a great compliment to KC now that Hopkins and Brown are out there. I don’t care about the trade, KC would have gotten him anyway, but so far Carter hasn’t shown much. Hopefully he will develop as he showed some potential before the injury but he’s playing like ass right now.

 

We can’t get Samuel involved because he has been hobbled. 

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, Beast said:

When has Allen not been able to complete a pass if more than 10 yards. The hurricane against New England? 

We can’t get Samuel involved because he has been hobbled. 

I agree turf toe is a big time injury that can come and go throughout a season. He's had moments this season but not be as impactful as many thought he would be this season. 

[Matt_In_NH]

The Bills had their valuations....it is evident they had a bunch of WR's grouped together near their pick, Worthy might not have been one of them.  They traded back twice, WR's were getting scooped and then they took Coleman.  They had no idea who the Chiefs were taking when they traded the pick and who cares, Beane built his board and executed to it.   If you want a GM who makes emotional decisions about who to trade with based on being scared of the other team succeeding vs going by his board then Beane is not your guy.  The book on the trades is not yet written.  Both players the teams selected have had good rookie seasons, Worthy is ahead right now.  Worthy has 9 TD's, Coleman 3, Worthy also has more than double the catches.  

 

People act like the Bills traded Worthy for Coleman, that is not how it works.

[chongli]

9 hours ago, JohnNord said:

There’s a common behavior among some Bills fans - whenever a former player has a modicum of success, it elicits extreme lament and cognitive dissonance resulting in statements like:

 

”WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE TRADED HIM.”

 

It doesn’t matter if it’s Xavier Worthy, Isaiah Hodgins, Tim Settle, Tyrod Taylor, John Feliciano etc.

 

This thread is a prime example of this behavior

 

It also the same whenever any prominent player is cut. Someone has to start a thread saying "we should sign him". 

 

Or on after any stand-alone game, be it TNF, MNF, Saturday, etc. when any player has a good game, reactions are "we should target this guy he becomes a free agent or trade for him".

 

Kind of maddening. There is a big recency bias.

 

(Likewise: the Bills were going to win the SB a few weeks ago, but now we will lose in the divisional round to Baltimore.) Whatever.

Edited 16 hours ago by chongli

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, ganesh said:

I think OP is looking at it from the perspective of how each player is helping his team win a super bowl. On that front,  Worthy has made better impact as he has played all the games in the season whereas Coleman has missed more than a quarter of a season.   

No he wrote that he hasn’t been impressed with Coleman verbatim.  It was somewhat of a bold take and the OP is rightfully getting the flack he deserves.  

[chongli]

4 hours ago, ganesh said:

I think OP is looking at it from the perspective of how each player is helping his team win a super bowl. On that front,  Worthy has made better impact as he has played all the games in the season whereas Coleman has missed more than a quarter of a season.   

 

It's just a matter of time before Worthy misses time with his slight build, unfortunately.

[colin]

Ladd does look better than what we or kc have so far, but it's an incomplete score.  Thomas Jr looks like the best guy we mighta had a shot at, but he went fairly high, never would pay what he would cost.

 

At the time we had Samuel for medium FA dollars and Shakir, who's our best guy at slot, along w a lot invested in TE.  We needed an outside guy and that was keon.

 

The thing is, we barely throw outside.  When teams don't have great nickel coverage or LBs who can't really cover we destroy them w inside the numbers passing.  When they can stuff it like Houston and Baltimore did, we need to go outside and that's where we need keon and amari.  We really don't throw the ball outside unless we are forced to

[bmur66]

Keon was really emerging as a force until he was injured. I like him over Worthy.

[chris heff]

Worthy gets tackled by one hand consistently.

[Belgium_Bill]

Worthy isn't the one that got away, Brian Thomas Jr is.

[SoMAn]

What hasn't been discussed enough is the other part of the trade that moved the Bills up the draft board to get an additional 3rd round pick that was used to pick DT Dwayne Carter. He's shown decent potential in is limited time as a rookie. Should he bloom into an impact DT (a position in which the Bills very much need help) and Coleman matures into a consistent threat in the O, the trade will be another feather in the cap for Beane.

[JerseyBills]

Hollywood and Hopkins have opened things up for him. 

But him as WR2was up and down. He's likely a wr3 , Keon has WR1 potential imo. Our O just has alot of mouths to feed. 

Keon is a better fit here imo. Much better for our run game as a blocker, needed someone who can win 1v1 in the red zone

[MJS]

Everything Worthy gets is heavily manufactured for him.

[HappyDays]

On the all-22 of the Pats game it looked to me like Coleman was the best separator we had against man coverage, Allen just didn't look his way very often. They probably game planned to throw away from Christian Gonzalez which I understand but Coleman dusted him a couple times. Hopefully they will see that on tape and make it a point to go to him more frequently.

 

The conversation around Worthy on here is funny because Chiefs fans on social media regularly express how frustrated they are with him. Multiple times this year Mahomes has delivered him a perfect pass down the sideline and he hasn't been able to get both feet in. So right now he is just a glorified gadget player, and for what it's worth he's a very good gadget player but everybody already knew he could be that and that isn't enough to justify a 1st round pick. He'll need to develop his ability to win outside and finish catches downfield, otherwise he'll end up being nothing more than a plus version of Mecole Hardman.

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

What hasn't been discussed enough is the other part of the trade that moved the Bills up the draft board to get an additional 3rd round pick that was used to pick DT Dwayne Carter. He's shown decent potential in is limited time as a rookie. Should he bloom into an impact DT (a position in which the Bills very much need help) and Coleman matures into a consistent threat in the O, the trade will be another feather in the cap for Beane.

Buffalo didn’t really get “an additional 3rd round pick”.  They moved up from pick 133 (4th round) to pick 95 (3rd round).  There’s a very strong possibility that Carter would have been available at pick 133.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, colin said:

Ladd does look better than what we or kc have so far, but it's an incomplete score.  Thomas Jr looks like the best guy we mighta had a shot at, but he went fairly high, never would pay what he would cost.

 

At the time we had Samuel for medium FA dollars and Shakir, who's our best guy at slot, along w a lot invested in TE.  We needed an outside guy and that was keon.

 

The thing is, we barely throw outside.  When teams don't have great nickel coverage or LBs who can't really cover we destroy them w inside the numbers passing.  When they can stuff it like Houston and Baltimore did, we need to go outside and that's where we need keon and amari.  We really don't throw the ball outside unless we are forced to

 

Thomas Jr. is a great talent no doubt, but how much has he benefitted from playing backups in blowout losses and facing soft coverage playing teams that have huge leads?  Context is needed.  Obviously he hasn't done much to help this team score points when the game has been close. The Jags have been terrible and one of the lowest scoring teams in the NFL.

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Everything Worthy gets is heavily manufactured for him.

 

Pretty much this, it's just getting easier to manufacture stuff now after they got Hopkins and Hollywood Brown has entered the picture.

Edited 13 hours ago by Big Turk

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

No he wrote that he hasn’t been impressed with Coleman verbatim.  It was somewhat of a bold take and the OP is rightfully getting the flack he deserves.  

 

Funny he is impressed with a guy averaging 10 yards a catch but not with a guy averaging 21 yard a catch who has far more "big plays" than the guy drafted as the fastest player ever who was going to give them "huge plays downfield".

 

Coleman has 3 plays over 35 yards while Worthy has 1. 

Allen has a 108 rating when throwing to Coleman, Mahomes has a 91 rating when throwing to Worthy.

Coleman averages 8.5 YAC yards/reception, Worthy 6.9

Worthy has had 58 more targets than Coleman has had to get 150 more yards. 

 

How is that impressive AT ALL?  That's actually the opposite of impressive.  

If Coleman had 58 more targets, he would have an additional 724 yards receiving based on his catch rate of 60% and his YPC of 20.8.

 

So if we equal out the targets, Coleman would have 1222 yards receiving to Worthy's 638.  How is this even a discussion?

 

What are we doing here?  More delusional content without viewing it through any context whatsoever.

Edited 13 hours ago by Big Turk

[Kirby Jackson]

This is tricky for me because I wasn’t a Coleman guy coming out. I had a lot of guys over him (Worthy being one). I think Ladd McConkey would have been the right pick for his consistent ability to get open. I thought that skill set was way more important than a jump ball guy. I thought that they needed someone that could handle volume and win his matchups when things were tough like last week. Unfortunately, that appears to be true.

 

Worthy’s explosiveness would have added an element to the Bills. He’s good and going to be good. Coleman has been a little better than I expected but that’s not a huge endorsement. He has good body control and can get down the field. This was my concern though and he’s living up to it:

 

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I was a Worthy guy going into the draft and hated the trade down allowing KC to get him. I was also low on Coleman viewing him as unable to separate. While I still like Worthy, Coleman has really impressed me to

the point I view the trade as a win-win and would likely now decline a swap of Coleman for Worthy straight up. 

[MikePJ76]

I am good with Coleman and Carter over worthy.