[Name Only Title] Xavier Worthy

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

38 minutes ago, Brandon said:

I'm not at all surprised that he's playing well. 

 

For my part,  I thought Ladd McConkey was a better all-around prospect than either of them,  but the Bills clearly wanted a bigger,  more physical presence outside.  Regardless,  Coleman was playing pretty well for a few weeks before the injury,  so I think there's a good chance it'll work out OK for the Bills in the sense that they got what they wanted.   

yeah, I think the real draft miss was taking Coleman one spot ahead of McConkey. McConckey looks like a complete receiver, though I am not sure how much of the time he plays from the outside vs the slot. 

 

 

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Cubanmist said:

Xavier Worthy on the Bills certainly would have opened things up. Love how KC has slowly eased him in. Anyone still upset about trading the pick to KC? Also, how do you feel about our rookie WR at this point?

I personally would have taken Worthy over Coleman. He just has not impressed me in the slightest.

Wow you lost me at Coleman has not impressed in the slightest. Worthy seems  better with other wr talent around him now. Coleman has shown me quite a lot. But they are different style players. I’m fine with it. If Coleman makes a few more big plays can you start another thread on this?

Oh and we got DT Carter as well who has shown promise before he got banged up. The Bills wanted a wr who can contest for the ball in the air. So hence Coleman. 

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

The real move would have been moving UP for Brian Thomas Jr.   if those trade charts are still accurate it would have only cost a 3rd

That’s assuming the Bills didn’t try to move up? 

Edited yesterday at 04:26 AM by QLBillsFan

[Low Positive]

Any decision that the Bills make is by definition the wrong decision. I read that right here on TBD.

[Billl]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Worthy 51 REC 559 YDS 9.9 YPC 5TD

Coleman 24 REC 498 YDS 20.8 YPC 8 TD

Where are you getting these numbers?  Worthy has 742 yards from scrimmage and 9 TDs.  Coleman has 498 and 3.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

I’m not crying about Xavier Worthy.  He’s a good gadget player and we all knew Reid would utilize him well, which he has especially around the goal line.  But he’s far from setting the NFL on fire and shouldn’t be someone you pine over like this.   He’s mostly catching shorter passes like a gadget guy would.  
 

As far Coleman, informed fans knew he was a workin progress.  If you thought he’d step in as a rookie and light the NFL up, then your expectations weren’t realistic.  He needed a LOT of work on his route running and that would take time.  But I found it fascinating that Keon beat one of the best man corners in the NFL over the past two months in Christian Gonzalez on a fly route.  
 

Still Keon has almost as many yards and TD’s as Worthy does despite playing 5 fewer games and getting half as many targets:

Worthy 51 REC 559 YDS 9.9 YPC 5TD

Coleman 24 REC 498 YDS 20.8 YPC 8 TD

 

So I’m not sure why you’re carrying on like this.  

Dry your eyes, solider

Coleman has 8 TD’s?

[JohnNord]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

Where are you getting these numbers?  Worthy has 742 yards from scrimmage and 9 TDs.  Coleman has 498 and 3.

Um….It was extremely obvious that I was only including receiving stats.  
 

To that extent, those numbers were 15 games.

 

After today he has 59 catches for 638 yards and 6 TDs

 

Still not that far off from Coleman, given the time he’s missed and the stage of his development 

6 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Coleman has 8 TD’s?

Coleman’s receiving production is relatively the same as Worthy.  He’s not the type of receiver that runs reverses for TD’s

Edited yesterday at 04:26 AM by JohnNord

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

Coleman’s receiving production is relatively the same as Worthy.  He’s not the type of receiver that runs reverses for TD’s

Yeah I’m not disagreeing with that. I was just surprised by the 8 TDs you cited because I don’t remember him scoring that many times.

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah I’m not disagreeing with that. I was just surprised by the 8 TDs you cited because I don’t remember him scoring that many times.

LOL it was 3 TD.  I’m sure how that happened… long day man 🤣

[DCofNC]

28 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

yeah, I think the real draft miss was taking Coleman one spot ahead of McConkey. McConckey looks like a complete receiver, though I am not sure how much of the time he plays from the outside vs the slot. 

 

 

Ladd looks legit, he would be the best WR on this team already, so it doesn’t matter where he lines up per se.  Keon has potential, and more physical tools to work with, so it may all work out w time.

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

LOL it was 3 TD.  I’m sure how that happened… long day man 🤣

Gotcha my man. Haha. I thought I missed something this season. All good. 

[JohnNord]

5 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Ladd looks legit, he would be the best WR on this team already, so it doesn’t matter where he lines up per se.  Keon has potential, and more physical tools to work with, so it may all work out w time.

There were so many positive reviews of Ladd pre-draft.   I think what hurt him is that he’s mostly a slot player and Buffalo likely envisioned Shakir in that spot long term.  

[gobills404]

Comparing these 2 is a great example of opportunity vs ability in the NFL. Worthy only has better volume stats because he’s played more games than Coleman and the injuries to Rice and Hollywood have allowed him to get wayyy more targets than he would’ve otherwise. Coleman has more yards per game (45.3 vs 37.3) and nearly double the yards per target (12.5 vs 6.3).

[RunTheBall]

They are 2 totally different types of recievers. I didn’t want Worthy because we’ve already demonstrated we have no idea how to get gadget guys involved in the offense. If we drafted Worthy he’d be lucky to have 2 TDs. We can’t even get Curtis Samuel involved and that’s a guy we are paying 8 million to who has a complete route tree. I’m not shocked at all Worthy is doing well given that Reid is the best play caller in football and knows how to get the most of the talents of his offensive players. He’s a great compliment to KC now that Hopkins and Brown are out there. I don’t care about the trade, KC would have gotten him anyway, but so far Carter hasn’t shown much. Hopefully he will develop as he showed some potential before the injury but he’s playing like ass right now.

 

Edited yesterday at 05:24 AM by RunTheBall

[BillMafia716ix]

They are both solid players. He’s got the upper hand right now only because Coleman missed a month of the season

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 hours ago, Cubanmist said:

Xavier Worthy on the Bills certainly would have opened things up. Love how KC has slowly eased him in. Anyone still upset about trading the pick to KC? Also, how do you feel about our rookie WR at this point?

I personally would have taken Worthy over Coleman. He just has not impressed me in the slightest.

Coleman hadn’t impressed you? Damn, prior to the injury, I saw plenty from him the has impressed me so far. You must be tough to please.  

[billsherd]

Andy Reid  have done better with Coleman. 

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, Brandon said:

I'm not at all surprised that he's playing well. 

 

For my part,  I thought Ladd McConkey was a better all-around prospect than either of them,  but the Bills clearly wanted a bigger,  more physical presence outside.  Regardless,  Coleman was playing pretty well for a few weeks before the injury,  so I think there's a good chance it'll work out OK for the Bills in the sense that they got what they wanted.   

Also, with Josh spreading the ball around, Coleman is not going to have that 80-catch season.  The same goes for Worthy.

[SunDSolar]

Coleman hasn't impressed you?  The Seattle TD alone was quite ***** impressive.  

 

Let's revisit this is 3-4 years

 

For now I'm good with Coleman.  He's made plays for this team so far this year and I'm positive he will make a few big ones in the playoffs.

[ganesh]

Just now, SunDSolar said:

Coleman hasn't impressed you?  The Seattle TD alone was quite ***** impressive.  

 

Let's revisit this is 3-4 years

 

For now I'm good with Coleman.  He's made plays for this team so far this year and I'm positive he will make a few big ones in the playoffs.

I think OP is looking at it from the perspective of how each player is helping his team win a super bowl. On that front,  Worthy has made better impact as he has played all the games in the season whereas Coleman has missed more than a quarter of a season.   

[Dr.Sack]

With the high winds and inability to complete a pass beyond 10 yards at times in Buffalo I’m not sure we could have used this guy. He’s fast no doubt, but zone coverage mitigates his speed.