[Name Only Title] Xavier Worthy

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Seems funny when I see him get the ball and he is the only player on the screen until they widen out the angle.

 

Also seems kinda hard to average almost 21 yards a catch and have an ADOT(Average Depth Of Target) of almost 16 yards if you aren't getting some sort of separation.

 

Those metrics became fake to me when it says Tyreek Hill can't separate.

With Coleman it’s scattershot IMO.

 

WGR was making the case that Coleman was emerging coming off Seahawks game, and it’s true that he as a sideline catch away from having over 100-yards in that game.

 

But pre-injury against the Dolphins it was 1 catch, 1 catch against the Lions and Patriots on 2 targets.

 

Allen’s pick was a late heave to Coleman in the end zone.

 

There doesn’t seem to be any rhythm of targets for Coleman (or really anyone in this offense other than Shakir). 
 

Reception Perception had their rookie report a few weeks ago and they reiterated that Coleman doesn’t separate. Harmon said more often than not the corner rides his

hip down the field when he charts all of his routes. 

[Jimmy Harris 69]

I don’t have any regret over the Bills’ decision. Coleman has had a decent rookie year given the offensive system the team runs. No receiver on the team has stacked up fabulous numbers. It would have been the same with Worthy.  The extra pick allowed them to get Carter at a position of need. The Bills are leading the AFC in points per game and second in the NFL in this category. Allen is having an MVP season. We don’t need Worthy. What you may like about his production versus Coleman comes down to Andy Reid. It seems like you have a solution in search of a problem. 

[Billl]

2 hours ago, Success said:

You don't think Worthy falls to KC regardless of the trade?

No, I don’t think he falls to 32 without the trade.  Back in 2017, everyone here thought the Chiefs had been fleeced because they traded up to pick 10 for a QB that could have been had at 27.  Fast forward 6 years, and Sean Payton was doing interviews about how the Saints were going to take Mahomes at pick 11.

 

There’s no way to say for sure that Worthy would or wouldn’t have been there, but we do know that pick 28 was the first of a 7 pick stretch in which 5 WRs were taken.  Whatever intelligence the Chiefs front office had must have been pretty good, and I’m inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

When you’ve got an elite front office (which the Bills and Chiefs both do), I’m always in favor of picking your guy and doing what it takes to get him.  Kansas City did that with Mahomes, Trent McDuffie, Rashee Rice, and Xavier Worthy.  Buffalo did that with Josh and Dalton Kincaid (who has been disappointing but is still a decent player).  When the Chiefs either stood pat or traded back, they’ve wound up with Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Skyy Moore, and Felix Anudike-Ozamah while the Bills have taken guys like Kaiir Elam, Boogie Basham, and AJ Epenesa after either trading back or getting jumped.

 

I didn’t even like Worthy much as a prospect, but the minute we traded up for him, I was much more excited about him than I would have been if we had taken him at 32.  Conversely, if the Bills were convinced that Keon Coleman was so good (and it looks like they were right), it was silly to risk losing him over something as trivial as swapping a 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder.  

[billsherd]

If buffalo drafted Xavier, he wouldn't be what he is with the cheifs.

Edited 18 hours ago by billsherd

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, gjv said:

Both Worthy and Coleman are good wide recievers. I think both went to the right team based on their play strengths. 

 

I think this has been a very good WR class overall.  

 

Look at what McMillan is doing with his opportunities in Tampa and he was #92 overall.

[Success]

36 minutes ago, Billl said:

No, I don’t think he falls to 32 without the trade.  Back in 2017, everyone here thought the Chiefs had been fleeced because they traded up to pick 10 for a QB that could have been had at 27.  Fast forward 6 years, and Sean Payton was doing interviews about how the Saints were going to take Mahomes at pick 11.

 

There’s no way to say for sure that Worthy would or wouldn’t have been there, but we do know that pick 28 was the first of a 7 pick stretch in which 5 WRs were taken.  Whatever intelligence the Chiefs front office had must have been pretty good, and I’m inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

When you’ve got an elite front office (which the Bills and Chiefs both do), I’m always in favor of picking your guy and doing what it takes to get him.  Kansas City did that with Mahomes, Trent McDuffie, Rashee Rice, and Xavier Worthy.  Buffalo did that with Josh and Dalton Kincaid (who has been disappointing but is still a decent player).  When the Chiefs either stood pat or traded back, they’ve wound up with Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Skyy Moore, and Felix Anudike-Ozamah while the Bills have taken guys like Kaiir Elam, Boogie Basham, and AJ Epenesa after either trading back or getting jumped.

 

I didn’t even like Worthy much as a prospect, but the minute we traded up for him, I was much more excited about him than I would have been if we had taken him at 32.  Conversely, if the Bills were convinced that Keon Coleman was so good (and it looks like they were right), it was silly to risk losing him over something as trivial as swapping a 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder.  

 

San Fran would have been the only team to take Worthy. It's possible.  But the Bills got Coleman regardless, and also got Carter out of the deal (who will definitely be on the team next year).

 

Both teams got what they wanted.  The online chatter about the Bills giving Worthy to KC is kind of annoying, but expected. I mean, they might have taken McConkey if San Fran really did take Worthy - the league should thank Buffalo.

 

[Billl]

28 minutes ago, Success said:

 

San Fran would have been the only team to take Worthy. It's possible.  But the Bills got Coleman regardless, and also got Carter out of the deal (who will definitely be on the team next year).

 

Both teams got what they wanted.  The online chatter about the Bills giving Worthy to KC is kind of annoying, but expected. I mean, they might have taken McConkey if San Fran really did take Worthy - the league should thank Buffalo.

 

Kansas City was never taking McConkey.  He’s 23 years old. Good player, but I wouldn’t expect thank you cards for letting the Chiefs take Worthy…maybe a Namaste card from One Arrowhead drive.

 

 

[NoName]

What about worthy’s run blocking compared to Coleman’s?  Stats don’t tell you everything.

[QCity]

10 hours ago, MarkyMannn said:

Actually Worthy has 9 tds. You have to include his rushing touchdowns too for a legit comparison

 

Don't be silly, scoring TDs has nothing to do with football.

 

Did you see those charts posted???

[BarleyNY]

21 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is tricky for me because I wasn’t a Coleman guy coming out. I had a lot of guys over him (Worthy being one). I think Ladd McConkey would have been the right pick for his consistent ability to get open. I thought that skill set was way more important than a jump ball guy. I thought that they needed someone that could handle volume and win his matchups when things were tough like last week. Unfortunately, that appears to be true.

 

Worthy’s explosiveness would have added an element to the Bills. He’s good and going to be good. Coleman has been a little better than I expected but that’s not a huge endorsement. He has good body control and can get down the field. This was my concern though and he’s living up to it:

 

 

 

Now thru week 16:

 

[Logic]

21 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:

Paging @Logic. Come get your false validation so I can deal with you pining after Marquise Goodwin 2.0 for the next week. 

Worthy is like the love child of Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish, and an actual cheetah. 

Your post is gonna look real silly when he goes for 1,300 and 10 next season while also breaking the sound barrier on a week 4 sluggo route.

[BringBackFlutie]

57 minutes ago, Logic said:

Worthy is like the love child of Lee Evans, Roscoe Parrish, and an actual cheetah. 

Your post is gonna look real silly when he goes for 1,300 and 10 next season while also breaking the sound barrier on a week 4 sluggo route.

 

He's gonna be stuck to the bottom of Kyle Williams's shoe by week 2.

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

He's gonna be stuck to the bottom of Kyle Williams's shoe by week 2.

And yet...he was out there catching touchdowns while six foot nine basketball legend Keon Coleman was sidelined with a thumb boo-boo. 💀💀💀

[starrymessenger]

Having now seen him on an nfl playing field I'm very happy with the Coleman pick. He wins. He's going to be a very good player and a difference maker imo. He doesn't separate? People say Boldin didn't separate, except he did. He just didn't need to separate as much as lesser WRs. When he could no longer separate his career was over. 
As for Worthy, whoever thought that Andy and the Chiefs would go for a WR who wasn't good at catching a friggen football. He too is likely to become a very good weapon, if he isn't already.

[billybob71]

Worthy sucks Coleman is amazing... I am just filling my Bills fan quota for the day😁

[BringBackFlutie]

34 minutes ago, Logic said:

And yet...he was out there catching touchdowns while six foot nine basketball legend Keon Coleman was sidelined with a thumb boo-boo. 💀💀💀

Correction- Coleman's shoe.

[CookieG]

17 hours ago, Billl said:

No, I don’t think he falls to 32 without the trade.  Back in 2017, everyone here thought the Chiefs had been fleeced because they traded up to pick 10 for a QB that could have been had at 27.  Fast forward 6 years, and Sean Payton was doing interviews about how the Saints were going to take Mahomes at pick 11.

 

There’s no way to say for sure that Worthy would or wouldn’t have been there, but we do know that pick 28 was the first of a 7 pick stretch in which 5 WRs were taken.  Whatever intelligence the Chiefs front office had must have been pretty good, and I’m inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

When you’ve got an elite front office (which the Bills and Chiefs both do), I’m always in favor of picking your guy and doing what it takes to get him.  Kansas City did that with Mahomes, Trent McDuffie, Rashee Rice, and Xavier Worthy.  Buffalo did that with Josh and Dalton Kincaid (who has been disappointing but is still a decent player).  When the Chiefs either stood pat or traded back, they’ve wound up with Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Skyy Moore, and Felix Anudike-Ozamah while the Bills have taken guys like Kaiir Elam, Boogie Basham, and AJ Epenesa after either trading back or getting jumped.

 

I didn’t even like Worthy much as a prospect, but the minute we traded up for him, I was much more excited about him than I would have been if we had taken him at 32.  Conversely, if the Bills were convinced that Keon Coleman was so good (and it looks like they were right), it was silly to risk losing him over something as trivial as swapping a 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder.  

In a way...(and I emphasize in a way, lol)...its a bit like the Lions taking Gibbs in the 1st.  

 

What I mean is that for most other teams, the pick wouldn't work.  But the picks were made by 2 teams that were looking for a specific type of talent to fit a specific role.  

 

With Gibbs, the Lions took Gibbs when they had built their O line, were going to be a running team, had a back who could get the tough yards. They wanted a dual threat back who could take it to the house every time he touched the ball.  For most other teams, taking a RB in the 1st wouldn't work.  But it did for the Lions based on what they needed, how they had been built and what they wanted to accomplish.  On many teams, especially teams in the process of rebuilding their Olines, it wouldn't work.

 

Worthy was taken because the Chiefs didn't have a  deep threat and it was needed.  He wasn't taken as a No 1.  He was taken to get open deep, to draw deep safety coverage and 2 run things like jet sweeps and find creative ways to get him open.  Lots of other teams might want him to be their no. 1, to be more involved in run blocking, etc.  

 

But that wasn't what the Chiefs needed, or wanted.

 

I agree, I wasn't keen on drafting him, I actually wanted them to trade up for Brian Thomas, especially as he started falling into the 20s.  They could have used 1 of their no. 2's in next years draft to move up.  But what's done is done. 

[DJB]

He’s going to be irrelevant next year. 
 

With a healthy Rice plus the possible return of Hopkins and Hollywood this guy isn’t going to do much 

 

He may turn out to be a wasted 1st round pick 

Edited 45 minutes ago by DJB

[WideNine]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:02 PM, gonzo1105 said:

I think Reid just maximizes him and his speed. He gets him the ball in reverses and a lot of screen plays. I don't like his contact balance at all though. Anybody touches him he's going down he isn't shaking off any tacklers. He's a good fit for them and now that they have Brown back, traded for Hopkins, etc its opening things up for him even more.

 

This.

 

He can be knocked into next week when jammed at the line so Reid wisely puts him in motion to prevent DBs from getting hands on him.

 

When playing man there is a good chance of getting picked, when playing off in zone he will turn DBs and create a cushion for comeback routes.

 

With either most teams will have at least a single high over him which opens things up for Brown.

 

He can be used to stretch defenses and create soft spots in zone coverage which Mahones is good at exploiting.

 

That is his tool set and ours is a bigger possession type receiver that I think has a lot of upside that we have yet to see based on his time playing the position, so the book is still out on what Coleman will become.

 

We have to get past a big two-headed rushing machine in Baltimore before worrying about what KC is doing.

 

That will be quite a steep challenge based on our first meeting.