[Name Only Title] Xavier Worthy

[stuvian]

Was it Worthy who was penalized for that TD celebration? I'm still trying to figure out why 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Matt Harmon would say it’s a lot of Mickey Mouse routes.

He’s used like Marvin Mims or Wandale Robinson. 

 

[The Jokeman]

59 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

On the all-22 of the Pats game it looked to me like Coleman was the best separator we had against man coverage, Allen just didn't look his way very often. They probably game planned to throw away from Christian Gonzalez which I understand but Coleman dusted him a couple times. Hopefully they will see that on tape and make it a point to go to him more frequently.

 

The conversation around Worthy on here is funny because Chiefs fans on social media regularly express how frustrated they are with him. Multiple times this year Mahomes has delivered him a perfect pass down the sideline and he hasn't been able to get both feet in. So right now he is just a glorified gadget player, and for what it's worth he's a very good gadget player but everybody already knew he could be that and that isn't enough to justify a 1st round pick. He'll need to develop his ability to win outside and finish catches downfield, otherwise he'll end up being nothing more than a plus version of Mecole Hardman.

Isiah McKenzie 2.0

5 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Was it Worthy who was penalized for that TD celebration? I'm still trying to figure out why 

because he was showing where his gun be kept if he had one on his person. The league doesn't like gun related celebrations. 

[The 9 Isles]

This conversation is one of the reasons the trade should not have been made. 
 

Buffalo fans have enough hang ups why hand over another piece to KC even if he would have gone there in another manner.  
 

it just didn’t need to happen via the Bills. 

[JohnNord]

36 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Funny he is impressed with a guy averaging 10 yards a catch but not with a guy averaging 21 yard a catch who has far more "big plays" than the guy drafted as the fastest player ever who was going to give them "huge plays downfield".

 

Coleman has 3 plays over 35 yards while Worthy has 1. 

Allen has a 108 rating when throwing to Coleman, Mahomes has a 91 rating when throwing to Worthy.

Coleman averages 8.5 YAC yards/reception, Worthy 6.9

Worthy has had 58 more targets than Coleman has had to get 150 more yards. 

 

How is that impressive AT ALL?  That's actually the opposite of impressive.  

If Coleman had 58 more targets, he would have an additional 724 yards receiving based on his catch rate of 60% and his YPC of 20.8.

 

So if we equal out the targets, Coleman would have 1222 yards receiving to Worthy's 638.  How is this even a discussion?

 

What are we doing here?  More delusional content without viewing it through any context whatsoever.

The thing is, Worthy could have far less production and some Bills fans would be saying the exact same thing as the OP.

 

I’ll say this - Worthy has been a better version of players like Mecole Hardman and Kadarius Toney who Reid always did a great job of using. 
 

As far as Keon, he’s played exactly as many had anticipated:

 

Solid Hands

Good with Contested Catches 

Beats zone defenses in intermediate areas

Big play potential/YAC

Struggles w/ separation 

Not a natural route runner

 

His biggest knock (speed) hasn’t really been that big of a problem.  Despite the slow 40 time, he’s found ways to get open deep as evidence by his 20+ YPC.

 

Again, not sure what the OP was expecting but I think Keon’s flashed enough to be open to the possibly that he could improve to be a solid WR2

10 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Was it Worthy who was penalized for that TD celebration? I'm still trying to figure out why 

It was a very bad penalty.  Announcers said it was something about him lifting up shirt to show his stomach.   I didn’t get it - just seemed like a routine celebration to me.  

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, The 9 Isles said:

This conversation is one of the reasons the trade should not have been made. 
 

Buffalo fans have enough hang ups why hand over another piece to KC even if he would have gone there in another manner.  
 

it just didn’t need to happen via the Bills. 

The Bills are in the business of making themselves better and think they did this with the trade down with KC and then Carolina. Did KC get better with Worthy sure if go based on their record. That said I think most fan bases may argue they got the better of the deals because looking at it two ways, by pure raw numbers Worthy has outproduced Coleman yet by extrapolation of potential Coleman appears better. Simply put it was a win win for both teams. Ultimately until the playoffs are played and a few more season it won't be certain who did better in this trade. 

[Don Otreply]

Somebody must be board to near death to make yet another Coleman vs Worthy thread, when everyone else on the planet knows our defense is the actual issue for this team…, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[nedboy7]

Big Baller Bean dont bend to this board.  And for that we are grateful. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

13 hours ago, Success said:

I think Coleman is better for us. His rookie year got a little derailed w/ missed time, but I like having the big red zone target over a speedster.

 

I don't think Worthy would be doing as much for us, either.  He fits into KC's offense.

 

I believe all of this is correct AND Coleman will shine on the contested Allen balls in the late season cold!

[billieve420]

31 minutes ago, stuvian said:

Was it Worthy who was penalized for that TD celebration? I'm still trying to figure out why 

Worthy was flagged for excessive celebration for what was deemed a violent gesture when he raised up his shirt showing waistband like he was carrying a piece.

 

 

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[RyanC883]

Thomas and McConkey are who got away

[artmalibu]

I know when WRs are talked about their blocking ability is not a hot topic, but I have seen Coleman make some good blocks.  

 

For me blocking moves the needle in the Coleman vs Worthy debate.  

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is tricky for me because I wasn’t a Coleman guy coming out. I had a lot of guys over him (Worthy being one). I think Ladd McConkey would have been the right pick for his consistent ability to get open. I thought that skill set was way more important than a jump ball guy. I thought that they needed someone that could handle volume and win his matchups when things were tough like last week. Unfortunately, that appears to be true.

 

Worthy’s explosiveness would have added an element to the Bills. He’s good and going to be good. Coleman has been a little better than I expected but that’s not a huge endorsement. He has good body control and can get down the field. This was my concern though and he’s living up to it:

 

 

 

So Troy Franklin, MVS and Diontae Johnson are among the very best separators in the NFL while Tank Dell and Tyreek Hill are below average?

C'mon man, why do you folks keep using absurd charts like this to support narratives?

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

It was a very bad penalty.  Announcers said it was something about him lifting up shirt to show his stomach.   I didn’t get it - just seemed like a routine celebration to me.  

 

No it was a good penalty. Lifting your shirt like that is a signature that you’re showing someone the gun in your waistband. The NFL has consistently flagged that move.

[BRH]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

It was a very bad penalty.  Announcers said it was something about him lifting up shirt to show his stomach.   I didn’t get it - just seemed like a routine celebration to me.  

 

That's because you're probably watching clips posted by Chiefs fans and bootlickers of the end of the celebration when Worthy and a teammate were making like Santa and an elf.  As soon as he caught it he lifted up his shirt as if to show a gun in his waistband, and that's what was flagged.  I've actually seen some clips where the TD was immediately followed by the Santa celebration, with the gun reveal deleted.

 

The league doesn't like gun-related celebrations.  They keep flagging them and telling players not to do it, and the players keep doing it.  I wouldn't be surprised if the league moves to ejections and suspensions for this next year.

[mannc]

I will say one thing about Worthy…for a guy his size, he’s been very durable, as he was at Texas.  He’s definitely no Glass Goodwin.

[Success]

I'd even call it one of those trades where both teams got what they wanted.  I wouldn't want a do-over.  I don't think Worthy would be right for this team & give us what we need in terms of versatility.

 

Unlike, say, the Pats trading down w/ the Chargers & selecting Polk, while the Chargers got McConkey.  Right now, that looks lopsided in the most epic way.

 

[MarkyMannn]

14 hours ago, JohnNord said:

 

Still Keon has almost as many yards and TD’s as Worthy does despite playing 5 fewer games and getting half as many targets:

Worthy 59 REC 638 YDS 10.8 YPC 6TD

Coleman 24 REC 498 YDS 20.8 YPC 3 TD

 

Actually Worthy has 9 tds. You have to include his rushing touchdowns too for a legit comparison

[The Jokeman]

14 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

Actually Worthy has 9 tds. You have to include his rushing touchdowns too for a legit comparison

If count his carries and passing targes that's 118 targets/attempts vs Keon's 40.