Broncos, Ravens, Chiefs - Can the Bills run through this gauntlet.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

LOL I’m calling BS on that claim.  
 

Baltimore’s defense 100% does have a game wrecker named Kyle Hamilton who is all over the field making plays.   2023 First Team All Pro
 

Oh they also have Justin Madubuike who was a 2023 second team All Pro and top 5 DT

 

Also Roquon Smith was who a 2nd team 2022 All Pro and a very good LB

 

There’s also Marlon Humphrey who was a former All Pro CB.  He’s good - not playing at that that level but still.  

 

To pretend they don’t have taken and that their success is a result of “scheme” is factually incorrect.  

 

Nobody views any of those players as “game wreckers” in the sense of anyone using that term. 
 

They're big time players, but if someone wants to play that game they’ll point Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Terrell Bernard, Ed Oliver and Greg Rousseau for us… which we know hasn’t been good enough when it’s mattered. 
 

Edited yesterday at 03:48 AM by SCBills

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Nobody views any of those players as “game wreckers” in the sense of anyone using that term. 
 

They're big time players, but if someone wants to play that game they’ll point Taron Johnson, Christian Benford, Terrell Bernard, Ed Oliver and Greg Rousseau for us… which we know hasn’t been good enough when it’s mattered. 
 

I’m calling BS again.

 

There’s many people view Kyle Hamilton as the best safety in the league and I’m sure they’d put him on the game wrecker status.  
 

As far at the Bills players you mentioned - how many of them have ever been named to an All-Pro team?

 

1 - Taron Johnson 2nd team 2022

 

Now do the same thing for the Ravens.

 

Again your assertion that it’s all “scheme” is incorrect.  

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I will be sure to unearth threads from years ago to call you out, or not care. One or the other. 

Not saying it’s a guarantee.  I just don’t think it’s as impossible as the two of you make it sound.  Baltimore’s a very good defense

Edited yesterday at 03:52 AM by JohnNord

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’m calling BS again.

 

There’s many people view Kyle Hamilton as the best safety in the league and I’m sure they’d put him on the game wrecker status.  
 

As far at the Bills players you mentioned - how many of them have ever been named to an All-Pro team?

 

1 - Taron Johnson 2nd team 2022

 

Now do the same thing for the Ravens.

 

Again your assertion that it’s all “scheme” is incorrect.  

So it sounds like we have no talent in defense? So Beane sucks then? 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’m calling BS again.

 

There’s many people view Kyle Hamilton as the best safety in the league and I’m sure they’d put him on the game wrecker status.  
 

As far at the Bills players you mentioned - how many of them have ever been named to an All-Pro team?

 

1 - Taron Johnson 2nd team 2022

 

Now do the same thing for the Ravens.

 

Again your assertion that it’s all “scheme” is incorrect.  

Youre just stating opinions as fact and nobody views Kyle Hamilton in the same way they do Myles Garrett, Chris Jones, Nick Bosa, TJ Watt etc..

 

Weve been let down by our defense over and over again because our DL gets WORKED when it matters and our back seven plays off far too much. 
 

You could give us Kyle Hamilton.. it wouldn’t change much for this Defense and their historical (and now recent) issues. 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:56 AM by SCBills

[Dr. K]

I just love how this has turned into a thread blaming McDermott for losing games that haven’t happened yet.

Edited yesterday at 03:58 AM by Dr. K

[Governor]

18 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

They have a new defensive coordinator this year and have taken some time to get it together. But they I’ve had a good defense the last few years. Since week 9 they rank 8th in EPA pass and 3rd in EPA passing success rate. 1st in total success rate. They will have it in order by playoffs. 
 

Im the same clip Buffalo ranks, 31st in EPA per pass, 32nd in EPA passing success, and 29th in overall success rate. They have a league worst stat profile since week 9. Maybe they figure it out at time they have never done so before. The crow would be an absolute pleasure to eat if that’s the case. 

Does the worst defense ever turn into the best defense in 3 weeks? Asking for a friend. We should be able to do that with a bonafide “defensive guru” HC right? We are totally screwed.

Edited yesterday at 04:05 AM by Governor

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Youre just stating opinions as fact and nobody views Kyle Hamilton in the same way they do Myles Garrett, Chris Jones, Nick Bosa, TJ Watt etc..

 

Weve been let down by our defense over and over again because our DL gets WORKED when it matters.  
 

You could give us Kyle Hamilton.. it wouldn’t change much for this Defense and their historical (and now recent) issues. 
 

Of course they don’t - that’s because all of those players are on the defensive line.

 

So if you’re definition of a “game wrecker” is a defensive lineman.  Then yeah, they don’t have a “game wrecker.”

 

Regardless a player like Hamilton allows Baltimore to do a lot of things that other defenses can’t.  
 

I’d agree with you that the weak part of the defense has been the DL.  I don’t feel it’s a result of scheme or coaching, as much as it is players getting their butts kicked.  

2 minutes ago, Governor said:

Does the worst defense ever turn into the best defense in 3 weeks? Asking for a friend.

Apparently

 

3 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I just love how this has turned into a thread blaming McDermott for losing games that haven’t happened yet.

Same!

[Toledo Bill]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

So it sounds like we have no talent in defense? So Beane sucks then? 

Beane certainly has some responsibility for the drafting and building of our defensive player choices.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

Of course they don’t - that’s because all of those players are on the defensive line.

 

So if you’re definition of a “game wrecker” is a defensive lineman.  Then yeah, they don’t have a “game wrecker.”

 

Regardless a player like Hamilton allows Baltimore to do a lot of things that other defenses can’t.  
 

I’d agree with you that the weak part of the defense has been the DL.  I don’t feel it’s a result of scheme or coaching, as much as it is players getting their butts kicked.  

Apparently

 

Same!

We had prime Poyer and Hyde for a bit and still had letdown playoff performances from this Defense. 
 

Josh Allen had to go off to save us from a Wild Card loss to 80 year old Phillip Rivers.  
 

13 seconds the following year.  

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

We had prime Poyer and Hyde for a bit and still had letdown playoff performances from this Defense. 
 

Josh Allen had to go off to save us from a Wild Card loss to 80 year old Phillip Rivers.  
 

13 seconds the following year.  

Most playoff games are close.  Not sure how Indy has any relevance in this argument, considering that Buffalo’s defense was the reason why they won the following week against Baltimore.  Surely you’ll find some reason to discredit that win, I’m sure?

 

Kansas City has beaten Buffalo in the playoffs.  They’ve beaten almost EVERY team in the AFC playoffs with the exception of Cincinnati 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Most playoff games are close.  Not sure how Indy has any relevance in this argument, considering that Buffalo’s defense was the reason why they won the following week against Baltimore.  Surely you’ll find some reason to discredit that win, I’m sure?

 

Kansas City has beaten Buffalo in the playoffs.  They’ve beaten almost EVERY team in the AFC playoffs with the exception of Cincinnati 

Oh, I will… yes, in hurricane force winds our defense finally had a great defensive performance when it mattered. 

Yup.. and the Bengals won that game because of Lou Anarumo. 
 

Edited yesterday at 04:14 AM by SCBills

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said:

Beane certainly has some responsibility for the drafting and building of our defensive player choices.

Yes he does. He also drafted Allen, who covers up a lot of warts. Beane hasn’t found an elite DE, DL or LB. This defense can be good at times but they lack key components to be great. 

[JohnNord]

16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

So it sounds like we have no talent in defense? So Beane sucks then? 

Mikster your Jedi mind tricks are about as effective as the Houston Texans defense against a team above .500.

 

Show me where I said “Beane sux.”  If that means that Baltimore has more high-end I’d agree.  
 

If there’s an area I’d criticize Beane and McDermott it’s for finding a lot of good talent but not enough great talent.  That Top-3, 1st team All Pro Player….you know like a Kyle Hamilton?  

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Most playoff games are close.  Not sure how Indy has any relevance in this argument, considering that Buffalo’s defense was the reason why they won the following week against Baltimore.  Surely you’ll find some reason to discredit that win, I’m sure?

 

Kansas City has beaten Buffalo in the playoffs.  They’ve beaten almost EVERY team in the AFC playoffs with the exception of Cincinnati 

The Colts are the only team in NFL history to gain 450 yards in the playoffs with no turnovers and still lose. 

[JohnNord]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

The Colts are the only team in NFL history to gain 450 yards in the playoffs with no turnovers and still lose. 

…and?

[billsherd]

Just treat the next two games as preseason game #2.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

…and?

And yet they only managed to score 24 points. I’d bet many teams have scored 24 and lost playoff games. You don’t  win games with yardage. 

[billsfanmd07]

37 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

LOL I’m calling BS on that claim.  
 

Baltimore’s defense 100% does have a game wrecker named Kyle Hamilton who is all over the field making plays.   2023 First Team All Pro
 

Oh they also have Justin Madubuike who was a 2023 second team All Pro and top 5 DT

 

Also Roquon Smith was who a 2nd team 2022 All Pro and a very good LB

 

There’s also Marlon Humphrey who was a former All Pro CB.  He’s good - not playing at that that level but still.  

 

To pretend they don’t have taken and that their success is a result of “scheme” is factually incorrect.  

 

And Van Noy seems to make 2-3 great plays each game They are full of game wreckers

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Oh, I will… yes, in hurricane force winds our defense finally had a great defensive performance when it mattered. 

Yup.. and the Bengals won that game because of Lou Anarumo. 
 

Lou Anarumo will be the first coordinator fired on black Monday. 

[ChasBB]

Absolutely they can run this gauntlet.  Provided Bills take care of business vs. Jets, they can rest starters in week 18, essentially giving themselves their own bye week, in a sense.  Also, defense should be healthier when playoffs begin.  And, for cryin' out loud, we have Josh Allen.  And first two games will be home provided #2 seed locked in.  Allen has already walked off the Chiefs' field essentially a winner save for the 13-sec debacle.  He performs well there.  Defense will need to be healthy and really step-up, but I believe they can deliver.