Thoughts on Amari Cooper?

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Respectfully, I don’t think his contract will include anything regarding control over management of the team. That would be insane. They will have an understanding, but you can’t give a player personnel power in their contract. How would that work if they disagree? 

[Bills Bud]

He is slow

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

 

Thank you for proving my point! How is that working out?  😂 

[Simon]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Thank you for proving my point! How is that working out?  😂 

 

I suppose it's a matter of perspective, but I have certainly enjoyed it 

[Sierra Foothills]

On 12/25/2024 at 7:26 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

That's the best scenario. Realistically I think he goes elsewhere for more money. We just haven't used him enough to justify keeping him.  He does seem to have a great attitude. 

 

On 12/25/2024 at 12:09 PM, DCofNC said:

His lack of targets is a value killer, he won’t be getting massively paid.

 

On 12/25/2024 at 12:18 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Thankfully they can make the decision at the end of the season … because I wouldn’t be extending him on what he has shown here thus far …  

 

It’s his last deal most likely … so he won’t be playing here on chump change 

 

Whatever the market will bear... he's made $136 million in his NFL career so maybe money won't be the biggest driver when he picks his next team.

 

If the Bills don't re-sign him we get a compensatory pick.

 

On 12/25/2024 at 8:54 AM, TheBeaneBandit said:

2 years 36M or 3 years 48M are my absolutely highest offers.

 

Congratulations on accumulating an impressive personal wealth!

 

On 12/29/2024 at 3:58 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

It's one thing still lacking on this offense.  2-3 wr/te that can create separation is a dire need.

 

For some reason I thought that was the emphasis this offseason?  Finding receivers to create separation. 

 

I think the offseason emphasis was big WRs who could block and win 50/50 balls... Coleman, Hollins, and Cooper.

 

33 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Stats are interesting.
Before Amari Cooper (First 6 Games):

• Record: 4-2

• Avg Points Game: 27.5

• Passing Yds Game: 186.3

• Total Touchdowns: 13

 

After Amari Cooper (Subsequent 7 Games):

• Record: 6-1

• Avg Points game: 33.6

• Passing Yards Per Game: 256.4

• Total Touchdowns: 21

 

Thank you. Earlier in this topic were contentions that there was little to no difference between the before Amari and after Amari.

 

There's actually a big difference.

 

IMO we got him relatively cheap and can offset that cost with a compensatory pick if we lose him. In the meantime his value has "only" been 24 catches for 250 yards and 2 TDs but as the before/after above shows, it's probably been more than just his personal stats.

 

His first catch as a Bill was a TD that seemed to get the team rolling against Tennessee. We would not have beaten Kansas City without him... his one-handed catch on 3rd and 6 led to the first TD of the game. His 25 yard "Willie Mays catch" led to our second TD of the game. He had 6 catches for 95 yards as the spearhead against the Rams in a 42 point effort. His 3 for 3 for 56 yards and the high-point TD catch against the Jets was the kind of quiet and measured contribution that I expect to see from him as long as he's a Bill.

 

It's similar to the Von Miller situation... we'll be better able to value him after the smoke clears on this season but in the meantime there's no question the Bills are a better team with him.

 

That's all that matters.

 

[colin]

He's had a 200 yard game on every team he's played for.  he'll have his for us in the playoffs.

[Since1981]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

They will have an understanding, but you can’t give a player personnel power in their contract. How would that work if they disagree? 

Mr. Roger’s neighborhood blowup based on his input. Disagreement is in every org and you work as peers. 17 had influence in 2024, big. If truly part of the process and “real input” then the outcome is usually pretty mutual agreed by decision time. 

2 hours ago, colin said:

 

He's had a 200 yard game on every team he's played for.  he'll have his for us in the playoffs.

 

We haven’t had #1 draft 2024, #1 draft 2023, Coop, #1WR Shakir-ish, on the field tougher until now. 

 

coop will be a surprise in a few weeks. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Mr. Roger’s neighborhood blowup based on his input. Disagreement is in every org and you work as peers. 17 had influence in 2024, big. If truly part of the process and “real input” then the outcome is usually pretty mutual agreed by decision time. 

 

Happy New Year.!!!!!

 

Forrest Gump as a GM would not put that in a contract. 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

On 12/25/2024 at 11:13 AM, RiotAct said:

he’s our secret weapon!!!!!!

Secret Agent Cooper , 0018, licensed to kill the opponents will to compete…

[Solomon Grundy]

On 12/28/2024 at 4:53 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Much better than Cooper.

 

 

Much better than Cooper.

 

 

Little better than Cooper, but he is also used completely different than Cooper and not really comparable as he runs the ball a lot to as a RB

 

 

Much better than Cooper

 

 

Little better than Cooper and yet Cooper has always been considered in a tier higher than Sutton

 

 

Also better than Cooper

 

 

Cooper is worse than every WR on your list, some by a noticeable difference.  Exactly what I said.  

 

 

Slightly worse than Cooper, but Tate was not in Coopers calls of WR either, he was at least a tier or 2 lower.

 

 

What are you talking about, you literally 100% confirmed my entire point.  You listed a bunch of WR's who were either his peer or worse and Cooper was literally worse than every single one of them, several by a lot.  

 

 

Come on man, not even the same era.  Comparing receivers and their yardage production from 30 years ago to today is a worthless excecise.

 

 

I mean you just proved everything I said correct, so thanks  

Cooper's football attitude vs above mentioned... PRICELESS!!

[Doc]

Give him the game off to rest his tail bone.

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Cooper's football attitude vs above mentioned... PRICELESS!!

 

This I agree on, he has fit in from a culture stand point exactly as I expected as he has never been a me first guy.  Its why of all the rumored available WR's, he always was the best fit to trade for based on his cost and his unselfish attitude that would be a good culture fit.

 

And like I originally said, if we can sign him on a reasonable deal, which is certainly possible if he prioritizes staying here to finish his career vs maximizing $$$, then do it.  But if he wants to get one last payday with bigger WR1 type money, well then I think thats too much for him based on the things I already discussed, especially with how Brady and Allen are running this offense.  

Personally, I think there is a good chance he comes back as I think he seems to like it here and he has fit in well, so I expect Beane to make him like a 2 year offer in the low to mid $30M range, which would be fine.  What I don't want to see is a 3 year deal over $60M for a guy who will be 31 next year with the other things I already discussed previously too. 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:17 PM by Alphadawg7

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This I agree on, he has fit in from a culture stand point exactly as I expected as he has never been a me first guy.  Its why of all the rumored available WR's, he always was the best fit to trade for based on his cost and his unselfish attitude that would be a good culture fit.

 

And like I originally said, if we can sign him on a reasonable deal, which is certainly possible if he prioritizes staying here to finish his career vs maximizing $$$, then do it.  But if he wants to get one last payday with bigger WR1 type money, well then I think thats too much for him based on the things I already discussed, especially with how Brady and Allen are running this offense.  

Personally, I think there is a good chance he comes back as I think he seems to like it here and he has fit in well, so I expect Beane to make him like a 2 year offer in the low to mid $30M range, which would be fine.  What I don't want to see is a 3 year deal over $60M for a guy who will be 31 next year with the other things I already discussed previously too. 

 

 

 

Also for Coleman's development. Who better to learn the game from than a real professional 

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, Doc said:

Give him the game off to rest his tail bone.

 

He probably has developed a decubitus ulcer with those snap counts...

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

He probably has developed a decubitus ulcer with those snap counts...

 

Hang in there WEO...

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Hang in there WEO...

 

 

you brought it up lol

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This I agree on, he has fit in from a culture stand point exactly as I expected as he has never been a me first guy.  Its why of all the rumored available WR's, he always was the best fit to trade for based on his cost and his unselfish attitude that would be a good culture fit.

 

And like I originally said, if we can sign him on a reasonable deal, which is certainly possible if he prioritizes staying here to finish his career vs maximizing $$$, then do it.  But if he wants to get one last payday with bigger WR1 type money, well then I think thats too much for him based on the things I already discussed, especially with how Brady and Allen are running this offense.  

Personally, I think there is a good chance he comes back as I think he seems to like it here and he has fit in well, so I expect Beane to make him like a 2 year offer in the low to mid $30M range, which would be fine.  What I don't want to see is a 3 year deal over $60M for a guy who will be 31 next year with the other things I already discussed previously too. 

 

 

 

 

 

With 20 catches in 6 games, pushing 31....he's not putting himself out there as a WR1-pay candidate.  

 

No one is going to give him a contract like that.  He's a solid WR3.  He's putting up Gabe Davis numbers (not even)--and posters roasted Jax for giving him 13 mil/yr. Bills aren't going to re-sign him for 10 times what they are paying him now....

[Einstein's Dog]

19 hours ago, skibum said:

I hope they can keep Amari around. I suppose if they want to swing for the fences and land Tee Higgins or pull another big trade for some other superstar, OK fine. But it's hard to do much better than Amari Cooper, and I bet he's more than willing to sign a team-friendly deal (and re-structure when requested). Every offense needs a guy who can reliably beat his man, make tough catches, and give defenses something to account for. Cooper/Coleman/Shakir is a balanced WR group that covers all the bases. And Amari wants nothing more than to be on a winning team with a good culture and a superstar QB throwing him the ball. It's a good marriage all around. 

 

I know he hasn't shown us a monster game yet, but I think he will prove his worth in due time. After seeing his TD grab on Sunday, you know he's still got it.  

I think Amari is great for this year.  The Bills needed a top tier WR and Amari is at the low end of those IMO.  Still something the Bills needed.

 

For the future though, I am hoping the FO still values top tier WRs and will pay to get one.  Amari would be a consideration (a pretty cheap one) but as you mention above there are others.  I am not a big T Higgins fan, but I am a big DK Metcalf fan.

[HappyDays]

I'm still a bit perplexed by his usage. Over the past two games Cooper had a 54% and 31% snap share, while Hollins had a 71% and 54% snap share, and Coleman had a 66% and 90% snap share. Even going back to the Lions game Cooper was out-snapped by Hollins and Coleman. And Cooper had just 5 total targets over those three games, while catching 4 of them. I mean it's good that when we need him to make a play he's making one but I really thought he would be a key feature of the offense by now. I guess Brady's offense just doesn't use the X receiver much?

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'm still a bit perplexed by his usage. Over the past two games Cooper had a 54% and 31% snap share, while Hollins had a 71% and 54% snap share, and Coleman had a 66% and 90% snap share. Even going back to the Lions game Cooper was out-snapped by Hollins and Coleman. And Cooper had just 5 total targets over those three games, while catching 4 of them. I mean it's good that when we need him to make a play he's making one but I really thought he would be a key feature of the offense by now. I guess Brady's offense just doesn't use the X receiver much?

are we sure he’s healthy?

 

 I get platooning Mack from their perspective because they just love Mack, but it is odd.

 

Also, odd that he was HEAVILY featured in the Rams, so much so that he got like half his Bills targets then fell out of the gameplan again. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:45 PM by FireChans