Thoughts on Amari Cooper?

[BillytheKid]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nah, not at all.

 

He's playing less than 50% of snaps and we're not noticeably less productive with him out there than we are when he's on the bench.

well even if so the offense is still opened up because of Amari or Coleman. If both of those guys ever end up out at the same time the offense will get bogged down some again because the defense won’t have any one to respect deep..

[BADOLBILZ]

55 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I said his career…guess I didn’t realize Amari Cooper only played one season in 2023 lmao.  
 

But hey, expecting you to read well, actually address the comments written, etc at this stage would be foolish for anyone to expect.  

 

 

Well then show us that career statistical analysis you did that proves your point and that you aren't fabricating facts.

 

If you want to cross over from irrational homer posting emotional takes for thumbs into the reality based discussions where what you say has some factual basis you have to use facts(in this case, stats) and not just your feels.

 

I notice in your similar criticism of Cooper you didn't note that you didn't note that Shakir has had 3 very low production games in the last 4.   Including dropping a number of catchable down field passes.    

[Mr. WEO]

I heard Elam was "pretty solid" too....

[Gunsgoodtime]

Not as productive so far as I was hoping, but he, like diggs is getting up there in age, so a drop in play is not suprising.  I still would have made the trade, but I would have preferred to not being in the position to have to make the trade by trying to improve the wr core a long time ago.  I doubt we re sign him unless it's on the cheap.

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well then show us that career statistical analysis you did that proves your point and that you aren't fabricating facts.

 

If you want to cross over from irrational homer posting emotional takes for thumbs into the reality based discussions where what you say has some factual basis you have to use facts(in this case, stats) and not just your feels.

 

 

LMAO...I don't know if there is anyone who talks more out of their a** than you.  It’s wild to me that you can have so much confidence in your BS to where you won't even know the facts but yet still try and argue things you don’t know with people who do know.  

 

But since you asked so nicely for me to again dunk on another one of your bad takes and ridiculous false accusations, I am happy to oblige.  

 

First:  What I said:  "Not only does he have more drops than people realize, but his career pattern is a few big games that make up like 40% of his season totals, then the rest are meh to invisible games."

 - Note:  You of course left the part out I said about the drops...because...well...even you can't spin that.  
 

And the point (which you also didn’t quote) was that Amari was a good midseason acquisition, but resigning him should only be done on a cost friendly deal, if he wants lead WR1 type money then no, too many drops and inconsistency for a guy like that who is also on the wrong side of 30.  
 

• 2023 - 15 games:  5 big games.  They made up 58% of his season totals.  In the other 10 games he averaged 51 yards per game, including SIX under 40 yards.
• 2022 - 17 games:  5 good to big games.  They made up 48% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 50 yards per game, including EIGHT games under 60 yards, 6 of which were under 40 yards.
• 2021 - 15 games:  2 big games.  They made up 30% of his season totals.  In the other 13 games he averaged 46 ypg, including NINE under 60 yards, 5 of which were under 40 yards.
• 2020 - 16 games:  4 good to big games.  They made up 42% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 53 ypg, including SIX under 60 yards.
• 2019 - 16 games:  4 good to big games.  They made up 49% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 50 ypg, including FIVE games under 50 yards.
• 2018 - 15 games:  4 big games.  They made up 64% of his season totals.  In the other 11 games he averaged 33 ypg, including EIGHT under 40 yards
• 2017 - 14 games:  2 big games.  They made up 48% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 30 ypg, including NINE under 50 yards, 8 of which were under 40 yards.  
• 2016 - 16 games:  4 big games.  They made up 50% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 48 yards per game, including NINE under 60 yards, 7 of which were under 50 yards.
• 2015 - 15 games:   5 good to big games.  They made up 57% of his season totals.  In the other 10 games he averaged 10 games he averaged 46 ypg, including EIGHT under 50 yards.

 

Cooper has 153 career games:

He has under 50 yards 69 times (45% of his career games)

     - 54 of those games were under 40 yards (35% of his career games)

     - 42 of those games were under 30 yards. (28% of his career games)

 

Hopefully you weren't too full from the holidays after having to eat another plate of humble pie here because I would hate for you to get a tummy ache sport  

 

Happy new year

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Mat68]

He solved a problem Buffalo had.  Who can consistently win 1 on 1 if needed.  He wasn't changing the offenses philosophy.  When they think Cooper exploits a weakness he is utilized.  Perfect guy for the role.  Wants to win and is capable of exploding at any time. 

[Solomon Grundy]

10 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He solved a problem Buffalo had.  Who can consistently win 1 on 1 if needed.  He wasn't changing the offenses philosophy.  When they think Cooper exploits a weakness he is utilized.  Perfect guy for the role.  Wants to win and is capable of exploding at any time. 

The difference will be noticed if the Bills matchup against the Ravens again 

[C.Biscuit97]

I mean this is the reason he gets traded so much. He is the guy capable of 200 yard games and doing nothing the next game. 
 

he still is a major threat that defenses have to key on and if opens things up for other guys. Diggs did that as well but he wasn’t happy doing that. Cooper barely speaks so it seems like it is fine and that is a big key to the offenses success 

[Nephilim17]

We are doing better with Cooper on the team. Is he the only or even the main reason? I really don't think so. But he's part of it and even if he just pulls coverage away to let other guys eat, I'm good with that — if his salary is reasonble.

Amari's recent comments suggest, to me at least, that he likes it here and wants to win. I don't expect him to hold on in FA for the highest bidder. I could be wrong.

If we get him at a decent salary (I'm no expert but guessing maybe $12 to $15 million for two years at most) I'm good. If not, there will be other aging yet productive vets that should want to play in Buffalo with Josh Allen.

But still, we must keep the pipeline of young talent flowing: draft an outside receiver, preferably with size and speed. A project is potentially ok if we sign Cooper or someone similar...

[Aussie Joe]

58 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

If we get him at a decent salary (I'm no expert but guessing maybe $12 to $15 million for two years at most) I'm good. 

I think this is the sort of deal he signs somewhere next season … I think the Bills may entertain this  … but I would like to see him finish strong this year to make me feel a little better about paying that, given money is likely  to still be tight next year  ..

 

This is about half the amount of “WR1” money that people seem to be fretting over what he is going to “demand” …

 

By the same token …. He won’t be signing for $3-5m a year either like some people seem to be hoping for either …

 

I also would like to see them draft another guy rounds 2-3 … keep investing with younger guys 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

We are doing better with Cooper on the team. Is he the only or even the main reason? I really don't think so. But he's part of it and even if he just pulls coverage away to let other guys eat, I'm good with that — if his salary is reasonble.

Amari's recent comments suggest, to me at least, that he likes it here and wants to win. I don't expect him to hold on in FA for the highest bidder. I could be wrong.

If we get him at a decent salary (I'm no expert but guessing maybe $12 to $15 million for two years at most) I'm good. If not, there will be other aging yet productive vets that should want to play in Buffalo with Josh Allen.

But still, we must keep the pipeline of young talent flowing: draft an outside receiver, preferably with size and speed. A project is potentially ok if we sign Cooper or someone similar...

What comes next depend on Coleman. And I don't see anything to hang my hat upon yet.

We all want size and speed lol

I want a guy who can separate cuz of his burst at the break and has hands.

Last season I wanted to draft two early. A Coleman type and a Worthy type.

 I still am good with Amari on the team. Hoping for more down the stretch here and into the playoffs. Then and only then will I decide his fate  lol

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

I think the focus will be on getting Shakir signed to an extension vs signing Cooper.  IMO…both are not happening unless Cooper comes in with low demands.  

Shakir is a lot easier to replace than a bonafide #1 outside WR.  Seeing Brian Thomas Jr. flourishing right now on a BAD Jags team is frustrating.  Beane could've had the most important skill position locked down for at least the next five years.  I don't think it would've taken that much future draft capital to move from 28th to the 18th to 22nd range to acquire him.

[LABILLBACKER]

46 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Shakir is a lot easier to replace than a bonafide #1 outside WR.  Seeing Brian Thomas Jr. flourishing right now on a BAD Jags team is frustrating.  Beane could've had the most important skill position locked down for at least the next five years.  I don't think it would've taken that much future draft capital to move from 28th to the 18th to 22nd range to acquire him.

I wanted Brian Thomas in the worst way. I screamed at the clouds but no one listened.  Who knows if Amari takes a team friendly deal?  He has to contribute more going into the playoffs or things could get complicated. Shakir is really a very good short to intermediate wr. Fantastic at YAC.  But he's not a deep threat or 50/50 guy.  Coleman is still trying to figure out his role?  Hollins is just an emergency outlet.  I love the idea of throwing to 8-9 different receivers.  But we gotta get a little more juice out of Cooper. Thomas on this team would have been devastating for opponents. 

[Maynard]

2 targets against New England. Seems odd. 

[Drew21PA]

20 minutes ago, Maynard said:

2 targets against New England. Seems odd. 

How many plays was Gonzalez on him ? (That’s the shutdown corner right?)

[MDH]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

LMAO...I don't know if there is anyone who talks more out of their a** than you.  It’s wild to me that you can have so much confidence in your BS to where you won't even know the facts but yet still try and argue things you don’t know with people who do know.  

 

But since you asked so nicely for me to again dunk on another one of your bad takes and ridiculous false accusations, I am happy to oblige.  

 

First:  What I said:  "Not only does he have more drops than people realize, but his career pattern is a few big games that make up like 40% of his season totals, then the rest are meh to invisible games."

 - Note:  You of course left the part out I said about the drops...because...well...even you can't spin that.  
 

And the point (which you also didn’t quote) was that Amari was a good midseason acquisition, but resigning him should only be done on a cost friendly deal, if he wants lead WR1 type money then no, too many drops and inconsistency for a guy like that who is also on the wrong side of 30.  
 

• 2023 - 15 games:  5 big games.  They made up 58% of his season totals.  In the other 10 games he averaged 51 yards per game, including SIX under 40 yards.
• 2022 - 17 games:  5 good to big games.  They made up 48% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 50 yards per game, including EIGHT games under 60 yards, 6 of which were under 40 yards.
• 2021 - 15 games:  2 big games.  They made up 30% of his season totals.  In the other 13 games he averaged 46 ypg, including NINE under 60 yards, 5 of which were under 40 yards.
• 2020 - 16 games:  4 good to big games.  They made up 42% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 53 ypg, including SIX under 60 yards.
• 2019 - 16 games:  4 good to big games.  They made up 49% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 50 ypg, including FIVE games under 50 yards.
• 2018 - 15 games:  4 big games.  They made up 64% of his season totals.  In the other 11 games he averaged 33 ypg, including EIGHT under 40 yards
• 2017 - 14 games:  2 big games.  They made up 48% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 30 ypg, including NINE under 50 yards, 8 of which were under 40 yards.  
• 2016 - 16 games:  4 big games.  They made up 50% of his season totals.  In the other 12 games he averaged 48 yards per game, including NINE under 60 yards, 7 of which were under 50 yards.
• 2015 - 15 games:   5 good to big games.  They made up 57% of his season totals.  In the other 10 games he averaged 10 games he averaged 46 ypg, including EIGHT under 50 yards.

 

Cooper has 153 career games:

He has under 50 yards 69 times (45% of his career games)

     - 54 of those games were under 40 yards (35% of his career games)

     - 42 of those games were under 30 yards. (28% of his career games)

 

Hopefully you weren't too full from the holidays after having to eat another plate of humble pie here because I would hate for you to get a tummy ache sport  

 

Happy new year

 

 

 

 

I only checked one year but thats enough to see how you’re manipulating numbers. Last year he had a -ridiculous - 265 yard game, so of course that throws the numbers WAY off and allows you to drop games of 98, 90 and 89 yards. Yes, his 6th highest yardage total last year was 98 yards but you stuck it with the “bad” games because his 265 yard game allowed you to try and get the percentage of “good” games where you wanted it.  Maybe you have a legit point with the other years but with your bad faith numbers in the first year that I checked I’m not even bothering to go check your work elsewhere.
 

 

[Boatdrinks]

26 minutes ago, Maynard said:

2 targets against New England. Seems odd. 

Not really. The Bills were trying to win the game with a minimal game plan and putting nothing on tape. Possibly even trying to put specific things on tape that won’t actually be used. They didn’t need a great game plan a la Detroit game to get a win vs New England. 

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, MDH said:

I only checked one year but thats enough to see how you’re manipulating numbers. Last year he had a -ridiculous - 265 yard game, so of course that throws the numbers WAY off and allows you to drop games of 98, 90 and 89 yards. Yes, his 6th highest yardage total last year was 98 yards but you stuck it with the “bad” games because his 265 yard game allowed you to try and get the percentage of “good” games where you wanted it.  Maybe you have a legit point with the other years but with your bad faith numbers in the first year that I checked I’m not even bothering to go check your work elsewhere.
 

 

lol…again, I said career, and I recall Amari playing ten years not one.  Last year was his most outlier year, yet he still averaged 50 yards a game outside his 5 big games and had 6 games under 40 yards…SIX in his BEST year.  
 

I verbatim stated he has some big games that make up a large portion of his yearly totals while he has the majority of his game be meh to games he was missing in action.  That was literally the entire point you seem to have completely missed.  
 

I don’t know what is worse…the fact you can’t distinguish between the word “career” vs a single year or the fact you just verbatim echoed my exact point in your attempt to refute information you didn’t read.  

45% of Coppers career games he had UNDER 50 yards.  But keep trying to refute things you didn’t read or analyze yourself.  

Edited 12 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Drew21PA]

Yep Gonzalez had him locked down Sunday 

 

33 snaps

0 rec

[MDH]

25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

lol…again, I said career, and I recall Amari playing ten years not one.  Last year was his most outlier year, yet he still averaged 50 yards a game outside his 5 big games and had 6 games under 40 yards…SIX in his BEST year.  
 

I verbatim stated he has some big games that make up a large portion of his yearly totals while he has the majority of his game be meh to games he was missing in action.  That was literally the entire point you seem to have completely missed.  
 

I don’t know what is worse…the fact you can’t distinguish between the word “career” vs a single year or the fact you just verbatim echoed my exact point in your attempt to refute information you didn’t read.  

45% of Coppers career games he had UNDER 50 yards.  But keep trying to refute things you didn’t read or analyze yourself.  

If your point is actually career why not let that season’s numbers stand as an outlier instead of manipulating them?