Bills All Pro 1st team

[Kirby Jackson]

35 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Kelly was a first ballot HOFer.  Josh is well on his way towards being one.  I see no reason to denigrate one in favor of the other.  As for comparing teams,  the AFL championship teams were dominant, especially on defense.  So to just conclude the 90’s teams were better is shortchanging the AFL champions IMHO.

I’m not trying to denigrate anyone. I’m also not trying to see anyone comparing Schobel to Bruce. Kelly was very good. He played with an elite team. He was to the Bills as Goff is to the Lions. That’s not an insult. That’s a top 7ish QB. That who Kelly was. The Bills rarely won BECAUSE of him. They almost always win BECAUSE of Josh. Winning with someone and winning because of them aren’t the same. If someone believes Kelly is better, I’m going to continue challenging, “based on what?” Team record isn’t an acceptable answer. Kelly is the 2nd best QB in Bills history and one of the 3 most important players they’ve ever had. He’s not their best QB.

[Big Turk]

54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m not trying to denigrate anyone. I’m also not trying to see anyone comparing Schobel to Bruce. Kelly was very good. He played with an elite team. He was to the Bills as Goff is to the Lions. That’s not an insult. That’s a top 7ish QB. That who Kelly was. The Bills rarely won BECAUSE of him. They almost always win BECAUSE of Josh. Winning with someone and winning because of them aren’t the same. If someone believes Kelly is better, I’m going to continue challenging, “based on what?” Team record isn’t an acceptable answer. Kelly is the 2nd best QB in Bills history and one of the 3 most important players they’ve ever had. He’s not their best QB.

 

Team record wouldn't be one considering Allen has the most wins of any QB in NFL history in his first 7 seasons.

[tomur67]

Jim Kelly was great.  But if Josh was the QB of that team with the talent on that team, we would have had 4+ Lombardi trophies.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

QB Allen

RB Thomas

FB Gilchrist ...I know he wasn't a real FB but I want him on my team

WR Moulds

WR Diggs

TE Knox 

LT Wolford 

LG Shaw

C Hull

RG Brown

RT Ballard

 

DE Smith

DT Kyle Williams

DT Pat Williams

DE Mario Williams 

OLB Bennett 

MLB Spikes

OLB Stratton

CB Edgerson

SS Poyer

FS Hyde

CB Clements

 

P Moorman

K Christe

 

I had the hardest time with TE,OLB, and CB. I thought about Milano, Metzelaars, and Warlick. Im not even sure if Stratton played inside or outside but he was a dominant LB. Bills have had many good CBs but no truly great ones.

I chose two Williams over Smerlas and Sestak. I went with another Williams over Schobel.

In a few years Spencer Brown maybe best RT.

WR was very difficult too. So many great ones. I know I will be pilloried for leaving off Reed but Moulds was more gifted and Diggs produced more consistently. Take off the FB and go three WR set and Reed plays the slot.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by Ethan in Cleveland

[Fleezoid]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:07 PM, buffblue said:

QB - Billy Joe Tolliver

RB - Christian Wade

WR - Kelvin Benjamin

TE - Lonnie Johnson

T - Mike Williams

G - Vlad Ducasse

C - Duke Preston

 

DE - Ryan Denney

DT - John McCargo

OLB - Jeff Posey 

MLB - John DiGiorgio

CB - Chris Watson/Justin Rogers

S - Pierson Prioleau

 

K - Nick Mike-Mayer

P - Matt Haack

KR - Chris Ivory

 

Head Coach - Hank Bullough

 

You've got to get your selections developed. You're still holding on to the negatives. 

[buffblue]

20 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

 

You've got to get your selections developed. You're still holding on to the negatives. 

I think you're right. I might replace Mike Williams on my list with Ed Wang

[BucketList]

QB: Allen

RB: OJ

WR: Lofton

WR: Moulds

TE: Metzelaars

OT: Peters, Dawkins

G: DeLamielleure, Shaw

C : Hull

DT: K Williams, T Washington 

DE: Smith, Mario Williams

OLB: Paup, Bennett

MLB: Fletcher

CB: Winfield, R James

FS/SS: Byrd, Hyde

 

P: McGuire

K: Christie

 

ST: Tasker

[Locomark]

On 12/23/2024 at 10:13 PM, FireChans said:

Needs more Jeff Tuel, Bryce Brown, Reggie Corner, Jordan Mills, Erik Pears, Kelvin Sheppard, and Ko Simpson 

You forgot T Mike Williams.