Bills All Pro 1st team

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Most of these are correct. 

 

Allen is more talented than Jim. But 4 straight SB's is unheard of. Kelly>Allen.

 

 

That’s just such a lazy argument. If you drop Allen onto that roster they win 2 or 3 of those 4 (and probably go the Ronnie Harmon year as well). Kelly was the steward of an unbelievable offense. Josh Allen is an unbelievable offense. The gap between them is quite wide.

Edited 16 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Johnny Bravo]

20 hours ago, Danger Mouse said:

Sorry - I'm sure you've done this so many time before

 

But I'm really interested in your views. 

 

The game here is, obviously, the best Bills of all time per position. But  one player per position.

 

Not the established best. The one YOU think is best. in YOUR opinion:

 

 

Quote reply answers and educate me:

 

QB

RB:

WR:

TE:

OT:

G:

C :

 

DE:

OLB:

MLB:

CB:

FS/SS: 

 

P:

K - actually, no. 

 

KR: 

 

Head Coach:

What a fun topic!

QB=Allen

RB=OJ

WR=Moulds

TE=Riemersma 
OT=Dion

OG=Joe D

C=Hull

 

DE=Bruce

OLB=Biscuit

MLB=Sam Cowart

CB=Odomes

S=Henry Jones

 

P=Moorman

K=Christie

 

KR=McGee

 

Coach=McDermott

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Johnny Bravo

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

20 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

QB: Josh Allen

RB: OJ Simpson

WR: Andre Reed

TE: Pete Metzelaars

OT: Jason Peters

OG: Joe DeLamielleure

C: Kent Hull

 

DE: Bruce Smith

DT: Kyle Williams

OLB: Cornelius Bennett

MLB: London Fletcher

CB: Antoine Winfield

S: Micah Hyde

 

K: Steve Christie

P: Brian Moorman

KR: Terrence McGee

Quote reply answers and educate me:

 

QB: Josh Allen

RB: Thurman Thomas

WR: Andre Reed

TE: Pete Meztzelaars

OT: Dion Dawkins

G: Joe Delamielleure

C : Kent Hull

 

DE: Bruce Smith

DT: Tom Sestak

OLB: Mike Stratton

MLB: Shane Conlan

CB: Butch Byrd

FS/SS: Micah Hyde

 

P: Brian Moorman

K - Steve Christie

 

KR: Terrance McGee

 

Head Coach: Marv Levy

[ticketssince61]

13 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

He has to get to the super bowl imo. That's how I view it 

 

Reed dropped two critical 1st downs when buffalo was up 12-3.... 

 

Kelly only had the ball for 19 min

 

Those still haunt me - we were driving late in the half and if he caught the ball we might have score to make the game 19-3 or 15-3. Minimally, the Giants would not have had time to score the TD before the half to make it 12-10. With a bigger lead for the Bills, the Giants likely would have had to change their ground control game plan

 

 

[BigDingus]

On 12/23/2024 at 6:30 PM, Danger Mouse said:

Sorry - I'm sure you've done this so many time before

 

But I'm really interested in your views. 

 

The game here is, obviously, the best Bills of all time per position. But  one player per position.

 

Not the established best. The one YOU think is best. in YOUR opinion:

 

 

Quote reply answers and educate me:

 

QB

RB:

WR:

TE:

OT:

G:

C :

 

DE:

OLB:

MLB:

CB:

FS/SS: 

 

P:

K - actually, no. 

 

KR: 

 

Head Coach:

 

QB: Josh Allen

 

RB: Thurman Thomas

WR1: Andre Reed

WR2: Stefon Diggs

WR3: Eric Moulds

TE: Jay Riemersma (fight me!)

 

T1: Jason Peters

T2: Dion Dawkins

G1: Joe DeLamielleure

G2: Ruben Brown (fight me again!)

C : Kent Hull

 

DE1: Bruce Smith (duh)

DE2: Mario Williams

DT1: Kyle Williams

DT2: Marcell Dareus

 

OLB1: Cornelius Bennett

OLB2: Takeo Spikes

MLB: London Fletcher

 

CB1: Antoine Winfield

CB2: Nate Clements

CB3: Stephon Gilmore

FS: Micah Hyde

SS: Jordan Poyer

(Yeah, I know that's 12 defensive players, but it depends on 4-3 or 3-4 scheme!)

 

P: Brian Moorman

K: Tyler Bass... pre-this year.

 

KR: Terrence McGee

[BobbyC81]

On 12/23/2024 at 5:52 PM, MJS said:

QB: Jim Kelly

RB: OJ Simpson

WR1: Andre Reed

WR2: Eric Moulds

WR3: Elbert Dubenion

TE: Dawson Knox

OT: Will Wolford

G: Joe DeLamielleure

C :Kent Hull

 

DE: Bruce Smith

DT: Kyle Williams

OLB: Cornelius Bennett

MLB: Mike Stratton

CB: Butch Byrd

FS/SS: George Saimes

 

P: Brian Moorman

K: Steve Christie

KR: Terrance McGee

ST: Steve Tasker

 

Head Coach: Marv Levy

One of the best lists so far and likely from an old-timer like myself.

[Yockopondowsk]

On 12/23/2024 at 7:50 PM, Sojourner said:

There’s some we haven’t had any AP1 player at but with AP2 team, they all can be filled except Tight End. 
 

QB: Allen

RB: Thurman

WR: Diggs

TE*: Metzelaars

OT: Wilford

G: Joe D

C : Hull

 

DE: Bruce

DT: Smerlas

OLB: Paup/Biscuit

MLB: Spikes

CB: Odomes 

FS/SS: Byrd

 

P: Moorman

K: Norwood, actually yes. 

 

KR: McGee

 

Head Coach: Marv

I know you didn’t specify that they had to be an All-Pro selection but I did it anyway lol

 

[Kirby Jackson]

58 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

One of the best lists so far and likely from an old-timer like myself.

With all due respect, the nostalgia of what Kelly’s teams accomplished, is far beyond the quality of Kelly as a player. He’s not in Allen’s league. It’s just not a reasonable opinion, at this point to believe that he’s a superior player. This list is the BEST players at each position in Bills history not THE MOST IMPORTANT (even still an argument could be made that Allen was more important). That’s an important distinction. 
 

Let me ask it a little differently, “if prime Kelly and prime Allen were both on this team now, who would start?” What about, “if prime Kelly and prime Allen were both on those early 1990’s teams? Who would start?” When you do it like that there isn’t a logical argument to make for Kelly. He was very good. He was ELITE at operating that system. There’s a guy in the AFCE that is very good and elite at operating his system. It’s not Allen, Rodgers or Maye. I’m not saying that Kelly is Tua. Of course, he’s way better than that but you get the point. There’s a massive difference in guys that you win with vs. guys that you win because of. You won because of Kelly sometimes, like you do Jalen Hurts. Often, the quality of his roster overwhelms teams. It’s extremely rare that the quality of the Bills roster overwhelms teams if Allen isn’t at least very good. Both teams win a lot.

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson

[Yockopondowsk]

QB: Allen

HB  # 32

Split end:  Andre Reed

Flanker: Elbert Dubenion 

TE. Metzlaars. 

OT: Wofford/ House

G: Billy Shaw / Joe D 

C : Hull

FB: Cookie Gilchrist 

DE: Bruce / McDole

DT: Ted Washington / Sestak

OLB: Biscuit/Talley

MLB: Harry Jacobs

CB: Robert James

CB: Butch Byrd 

FS/SS: Micah Hyde / Jordan Poyer

 

P: Moorman

K: Pete Gogolak.  

 

KR:  Charley Warner

 

Head Coach: Lou Saban 

Edited 1 hour ago by Yockopondowsk
Forgot some positions

[BRH]

16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s just such a lazy argument. If you drop Allen onto that roster they win 2 or 3 of those 4 (and probably go the Ronnie Harmon year as well). Kelly was the steward of an unbelievable offense. Josh Allen is an unbelievable offense. The gap between them is quite wide.

 

I agree with you.  On the flip side, I bet if you dropped prime Bruce Smith onto THIS roster we’d already have gone to multiple SBs and won at least one by now.  And there are others I would take from the ‘90s roster to put this one over the hump before I took Kelly:  Thurman for sure.  Kent Hull.  Even, given our ST woes, Steve Tasker.  But if you ask the question “what one player would you take from this roster to make the ‘90s team better,” the answer is always, always Josh Allen.

 

And I loved Jim Kelly.  But those are the facts.  In my opinion, that is.