Bills All Pro 1st team

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I’m biased to the AFL teams because I watched them and because they won two championships.

I can't argue against that. Winning championships matter and if it's close I'm putting the 60s championship player above anyone else. 

[oldmanfan]

14 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said:

OJ had "off field issues"?

 

 

I don’t understand how anyone can think to put Eric Wood at G over two HOFers in Joe D and Shaw.

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

QB: Josh Allen

RB: OJ Simpson

RB2: Thurmon Thomas

WR: Andre Reed

WR2: Jerry Butler

WR3: Diggs

TE: Pete Metzelaars

OT: Wolford, Dawkins

G: Joe DeLamielleure, Billy Shaw

C : Kent Hull

 

DE: Bruce Smith

DE2: Aaron Schobel

DT:  Fred Smerlas, Kyle Williams

OLB: Biscuit

MLB: Talley

CB: Nate Odomes

FS/SS: Hyde & Poyer

 

P: Marv Bateman

K - Steve Christie

Special Teams: Tasker

KR: McGee

 

Head Coach: McDermott

I don’t think Talley was a MLB.

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

I don’t understand how anyone can think to put Eric Wood at G over two HOFers in Joe D and Shaw.

I agree. Heck was wood actually better than Jerry Ostroski? I don't know 

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Give Josh Thurman, Reed, Lofton and Bruce and would imagine we would have won one as he doesn't seem to fold under pressure like Jimbo did.

 

Agree.

 

Allen is superior to Kelly in literally every way.

[Logic]

Everyone has already made some pretty good lists.

Rather than be repetitive, I'll do the All Drought Era Bills:

 

QB: Ryan Fitzpatrick

RB: Fred Jackson, Travis Henry
FB: Sam Gash

WR: Stevie Johnson, Lee Evans

TE: Scott Chandler

OT: Jason Peters, Cordy Glenn

G: Ruben Brown, Andy Levitre

C : Eric Wood

 

DE: Aaron Schobel, Mario Williams

DT - Pat Williams, Kyle Williams

OLB: Takeo Spikes

MLB: London Fletcher

CB: Antoine Winfield, Nate Clements

FS: Jairus Byrd
SS: Lawyer Milloy

 

P: Brian Moorman

K: Rian Lindell

KR: Terrence McGee
PR: Roscoe Parrish

 

Head Coach: No

[The Jokeman]

10 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Yup. Reggie McKenzie made 3 all pro teams. That's awesome. I didn't know that 

 

 

Kelly was fine in SB 25

 

Kelly had Hof performance in the 90 playoff and 93 playoff. Beat Montana in 93, Marino in 90, 92. Elway in 91 but that was obviously the defense. 

 

I can't remember the numbers but Kelly vs the raiders in 93 had almost 300 yds, 3 tds, zero int and it was like -30 wind chill with wind and ice. It's one of the greatest bad weather playoff performances in NFL playoff history 

Fine in XXV? How many 3 and outs did he have that killed less than 3 minutes of clock? Sorry not sorry but Kelly was average and don't get me started on his 2 minute drill at the end of the game. 

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agree.

 

Allen is superior to Kelly in literally every way.

He has to get to the super bowl imo. That's how I view it 

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Fine in XXV? How many 3 and outs did he have that killed less than 3 minutes of clock? Sorry not sorry but Kelly was average and don't get me started on his 2 minute drill at the end of the game. 

Reed dropped two critical 1st downs when buffalo was up 12-3.... 

 

Kelly only had the ball for 19 min

[T master]

16 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Maybe Allen. That’s it. 

 

I'd say James Cook is a definite consideration for this !! Leads the league in TD's plus he's not doing to bad in yards too ...

[The Jokeman]

7 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

He has to get to the super bowl imo. That's how I view it 

Reed dropped two critical 1st downs when buffalo was up 12-3.... 

 

Kelly only had the ball for 19 min

Reed was getting hit hard all game, sure he gets some blame but who's the guy making the decisions? Kelly and am sorry but if you're in a tight game you slow down don't speed up. Just my opinion.

[BRH]

QB:  Josh Allen

RB:  Thurman Thomas

WR:  Andre Reed

TE:  Dawson Knox

OT:  Dion Dawkins

G:  Joe DeLamielleure

C :  Kent Hull

 

DE:  Bruce Smith

DT:  Tom Sestak

OLB:  Cornelius Bennett

MLB:  Shane Conlan

CB:  Butch Byrd

FS/SS:  Micah Hyde

 

P:  Brian Moorman

K:  Steve Christie

KR:  Terrence McGee

ST:  Steve Tasker

 

Head Coach:  Marv Levy 

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by BRH

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Reed was getting hit hard all game, sure he gets some blame but who's the guy making the decisions? Kelly and am sorry but if you're in a tight game you slow down don't speed up. Just my opinion.

It was a ***** show 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Agree.

 

Allen is superior to Kelly in literally every way.

Honestly, anyone arguing any other way at this point is just wrong. Jim Kelly would admit that. The gap from Allen to Kelly is wide. Allen, Bruce, Moorman and probably Andre (based on a 3 WR set) should be unanimous. You could make a reasonable argument for multiple people at every other position. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Kirby Jackson]

QB: Allen

RB: OJ

WR: Reed

WR: Moulds

WR: Diggs

OT: Dawkins

OT: Wolford

G: Joe D

G: Billy Shaw

C: Kent Hull

TE: Ernie Warlick

 

DE: Bruce

DT: Tom Sestak

DT: Kyle Williams

DE: Schobel

OLB: Biscuit

MLB: Cowart

OLB: Takeo

CB: Clements

CB: Winfield

S: Jones

S: Poyer

 

KR: McGee

K: Christie

P: Moorman

ST: Tasker

 

This is based on their Bills careers. Obviously Peters and TO were historically great players. There are some that were tough (CB for example). 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[SMAKCruiser]

I am going to base this on players I witnessed live as I am too young or wasn't alive for OJ, 60s era teams.

 

QB - Allen

RB: - Thurman

WR: Moulds

TE: Metzelaars

OT: Ballard

G: Brown

C : Hull

 

DE: Smith

OLB: Bennett

MLB: Cowart

CB: Odomes

FS/SS: Hyde

 

P: Moorman

K - Christie

 

KR: Moulds

 

Head Coach:Levy

[warrior9]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Peters is a HOF player for another team. He barely played for the Bills, so I don't even consider him a former Bills great. You can if you want, though.

He played 5 years here,….? Is 65 games “barely playing?” 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

He played 5 years here,….? Is 65 games “barely playing?” 

He became what he was largely after he left.

[Billsfanatic8989]

Most of these are correct. 

 

Allen is more talented than Jim. But 4 straight SB's is unheard of. Kelly>Allen.

 

 

[JP51]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Allen, OJ and Bruce are the only realistic options. Joe D is an honorable mention.

Although I think @Shaw66 might have another opinion LOL 

[Billsfanatic8989]

22 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

He played 5 years here,….? Is 65 games “barely playing?” 

His prime/HOF years were in Philadelphia. 

 

In reverse, Von isn't the 3rd or 4th best Bill at the position. His HoF legacy was built and cemented in Denver. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

14 hours ago, Mango said:

Jason Peters is a first ballot HOF LT. No idea how he isn’t on anybodies list. 

 

Andre and Moulds were both better receivers than Stef. Shocked he’s on here twice. 
 

No hate on Smerlas or Kyle, but Ted Washington deserves some love here.

 

 

Look 2 posts above yours

This is clearly the best one...

QB:  Josh Allen

RB:  Josh Allen

WR:  Josh Allen

TE:  Josh Allen

OT:  Josh Allen

G:  Josh Allen

C :  Josh Allen

 

DE:  Josh Allen

DT:  Josh Allen

OLB:  Josh Allen

MLB:  Josh Allen

CB:  Josh Allen

FS/SS:  Josh Allen

 

P:  Josh Allen

K:  Josh Allen

KR:  Josh Allen

ST:  Josh Allen

 

Head Coach:   Josh Allen