Cole Bishop should start the final two games of the Regular Season....

[Magox]

On 12/23/2024 at 6:09 PM, Special K said:

Worst case scenario, he gets starter reps in these two games to prepare him for a starting job next season while resting either Rapp or Hamlin for the playoff push.

 

Best case scenario, he improves and shows out in these next two games, and can replace Hamlin going forward.

 

He has had his ups and downs, and his pass coverage needs a little more refinement, but he will be the future of the Safety position moving forward.

 

I'm not sure if he is ready for the future to start right now, but I think it would be smart to give him these next two games to find out.....he is definitely the most athletic Safety on the roster.

 

Thoughts??

That’s exactly what they should do for Milano.  If he can regain form he should get the majority of the playoff snaps then Dorian Williams should

[3rdand12]

37 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

So you expect both starting safeties to just walk back on the field after not playing for a whole month and pick right back up where they left off?

 

Have you ever played sports at any significant level? That's just not how it works.

Is that what I wrote ? Sorry for that.

And no I have not played sport at any level of recognition , to be straight up.

I thought waaay back I said

 Its time to rotate in these younger guys , especially Bishop.

Am sure i do communicate poorly my points and suggestions both. Family tells me as much on occasion.

Next week is a great time to let the second string or youth increase the reps. rest the A+ starters even ?
Get Hyde in at some point.

My meaning was not to play Coach here. Just some thoughts to consider.

I expect Coaching to know when and where to ramp up Rapp and Hamlin

Edited December 24, 2024 by 3rdand12

[Brand J]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

So you expect both starting safeties to just walk back on the field after not playing for a whole month and pick right back up where they left off?

 

Have you ever played sports at any significant level? That's just not how it works.

Same with Hyde. If he expects to play in the playoffs he has to get in some regular season action. Even with all his experience (and this goes for Milano as well), when most players step back on the field after an extremely long layoff, the game moves fast and will take a little bit to slow down. That timing has to get right again.

[Breakout Squad]

13 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Same with Hyde. If he expects to play in the playoffs he has to get in some regular season action. Even with all his experience (and this goes for Milano as well), when most players step back on the field after an extremely long layoff, the game moves fast and will take a little bit to slow down. That timing has to get right again.

I agree. If Hyde was only here to coach up players he wouldn’t/shouldn’t be on the practice squad. There has to be a plan to have him available for the playoffs. 

[Sierra Foothills]

On 12/23/2024 at 3:09 PM, Special K said:

Worst case scenario, he gets starter reps in these two games to prepare him for a starting job next season while resting either Rapp or Hamlin for the playoff push.

 

Best case scenario, he improves and shows out in these next two games, and can replace Hamlin going forward.

 

He has had his ups and downs, and his pass coverage needs a little more refinement, but he will be the future of the Safety position moving forward.

 

I'm not sure if he is ready for the future to start right now, but I think it would be smart to give him these next two games to find out.....he is definitely the most athletic Safety on the roster.

 

Thoughts??

 

The answer to whether Bishop should start the final 2 games is the exact same as the answer to whether Elam/Ingram/Solomon/Andreesen/Carter or any young Bills player should start the final 2 games...

 

YES, as long as the degree to which he plays doesn't jeopardize winning those games.

 

Worded differently, the only reason you wouldn't play a young player is because of the risk of losing.

 

If you are not in danger of losing there's no reason not to give a young player with upside, playing time.

 

 

[BigDingus]

I wasn't paying much attention to him, but just watched some highlights again & saw him get beat on the 2nd TD pass. Was he ok aside from that?

[Special K]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

I wasn't paying much attention to him, but just watched some highlights again & saw him get beat on the 2nd TD pass. Was he ok aside from that?

 

Thought he made some nice plays, and a few errors mostly in pass coverage.....didn't focus on him either, but I think the Safety pairing of Bishop and Rapp is the way to go.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

I wasn't paying much attention to him, but just watched some highlights again & saw him get beat on the 2nd TD pass. Was he ok aside from that?

 

No. It was easily his worst game since Houston. Two of the Jets bigger runs in the first half were him taking completely the wrong angle. He was late to his spot multiple times in coverage (that is theme at the moment he is just not anticipating and reacting quickly enough) and the Conklin touchdown was on him. I will be interested im how the graders see it and obviously I haven't watched the all22 but he was comfortably the Bills worst starter yesterday to my eye. 

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. It was easily his worst game since Houston. Two of the Jets bigger runs in the first half were him taking completely the wrong angle. He was late to his spot multiple times in coverage (that is theme at the moment he is just not anticipating and reacting quickly enough) and the Conklin touchdown was on him. I will be interested im how the graders see it and obviously I haven't watched the all22 but he was comfortably the Bills worst starter yesterday to my eye. 

Guess I missed the two big runs in the first half. I did see him get run over once in the first half and there was one play where Romo said he missed the tackle but he got enough of the guy to get him down, the guy just got a few extra yards after contact. Thing about Coke in the run he was attacking. When guys were coming downhill he was going at them and if he didn’t get the tackle he was getting enough for someone else to come clean it up. Damar stands still and waits for the guy to come to him, so they are getting easy yards. And when Damar misses it’s bad, real bad. Lead to a lot of big runs this year. In the passing game Cole is off a bit, he did play a different position from last week so for a young guy that might be a little tougher. He’s gotta get better there

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Guess I missed the two big runs in the first half. I did see him get run over once in the first half and there was one play where Romo said he missed the tackle but he got enough of the guy to get him down, the guy just got a few extra yards after contact. Thing about Coke in the run he was attacking. When guys were coming downhill he was going at them and if he didn’t get the tackle he was getting enough for someone else to come clean it up. Damar stands still and waits for the guy to come to him, so they are getting easy yards. And when Damar misses it’s bad, real bad. Lead to a lot of big runs this year. In the passing game Cole is off a bit, he did play a different position from last week so for a young guy that might be a little tougher. He’s gotta get better there

 

He's gotta get better everywhere on yesterday's performance. 

[BananaB]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He's gotta get better everywhere on yesterday's performance. 

Yeah sure. But attacking is a big part of supporting the run and something this defense needs. Might not be perfect at the moment but he’s atleast putting effort into it, can’t say that about Damar. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

Yeah sure. But attacking is a big part of supporting the run and something this defense needs. Might not be perfect at the moment but he’s atleast putting effort into it, can’t say that about Damar. 

 

You don't think Damar puts effort in? 

[Kirby Jackson]

Alright, I’ll say it. Safety is a position that we see guys come in at early and play well (Bullock, Brian Branch, Dejean, etc). Bishop is not there despite being a 2nd rounder. Maybe he gets better but at this point, he looks like a bad pick. Yes, I know it’s early. That why I used examples of other guys drafted around him that are currently much better than him. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Kirby Jackson

[Back2Buff]

He's pretty terrible.  I feel like Beane should stick to his scouting staff when drafting players and not going off what players on the team think of him.  

 

I would rather have Kareem Jackson play.  This also shows how much a better player Hamlin is than he gets credit for.  Hamlin just being the correct position is a huge benefit to the rest of team.

[BananaB]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You don't think Damar puts effort in? 

He don’t attack the ball carrier. He stands back and waits for the ball carrier to come to him. Then he gets burned flat footed 

Edited December 30, 2024 by BananaB

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

He's pretty terrible.  I feel like Beane should stick to his scouting staff when drafting players and not going off what players on the team think of him.  

 

I would rather have Kareem Jackson play.  This also shows how much a better player Hamlin is than he gets credit for.  Hamlin just being the correct position is a huge benefit to the rest of team.

Beane picked Bishop because of what players on the team thought, while the scouting staff was saying to not pick him?

[Back2Buff]

3 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Beane picked Bishop because of what players on the team thought, while the scouting staff was saying to not pick him?

 

It was mentioned he sought Kincaid's opinion of him before pulling the trigger.  I think it would be ignorant to think it didn't play a huge role in Bishop over other safeties in the class.

[Cubanmist]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. It was easily his worst game since Houston. Two of the Jets bigger runs in the first half were him taking completely the wrong angle. He was late to his spot multiple times in coverage (that is theme at the moment he is just not anticipating and reacting quickly enough) and the Conklin touchdown was on him. I will be interested im how the graders see it and obviously I haven't watched the all22 but he was comfortably the Bills worst starter yesterday to my eye. 

I think it’s obvious that Sean did not want Cole Bishop but once again reached just as he did with Elam. I think Sean wanted McDuffie and that safety that went before Bishop…name escapes me. I think they also wanted Breece Hall instead of Cook. 

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, I’ll say it. Safety is a position that we see guys come in at early and play week (Bullock, Brian Branch, Dejean, etc). Bishop is not there despite being a 2nd rounder. Maybe he gets better but at this point, he looks like a bad pick. Yes, I know it’s early. That why I used examples of other guys drafted around him that are currently much better than him. 

Idk about that.  Most struggle in space in the deep third and half.  Branch and Dejean both are productive from the slot.  Bullock is good in coverage but could only imagine his run fits in this style of defense.  Mcdermott expects a lot from his second and third levels.  See Milano, Benard, Willams, and Johnson.  All have been in and out of the lineup as young players.  Hamlin likely replaces when healthy.  The experience he has gained will help in the future or in the playoffs.  I like he is starting to be around the ball and more importantly on more tackles.  Tells my untrained eyes he is starting play and not think.  You can correct an angle or a technique to make the play.  If you dont see it or have the athletic ability it doesn't matter.  I think Bishop and Williams are important in a playoff run.  Need their speed in the defense.  Also, they provide useful depth.  

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

This also shows how much a better player Hamlin is than he gets credit for.  Hamlin just being the correct position is a huge benefit to the rest of team.

 

I think the second sentence is definitely true.