Just re watched yesterday's pats game

[Steptide]

Just a few thoughts. The offensive game plan was as vanilla as it gets. I actually wonder after re watching it, if they had any kind of plan, or if they were just calling random plays. Shakir had quite a few drops, which again kinda makes me wonder how much they really practiced some of these plays 

 

Defense was actually better than my initial reaction watching live yesterday. 1st and 2nd down defense was actually pretty good. 3rd down defense was bad. HORRIBLE. They really need to figure 3rd down out. Ya Ya, I know they had starters out, but this has been the case all season, backups or not. I really think after re watching, and after Allen's post game comments, this team is really playing vanilla. It was very obvious watching a second time. Anyways just my 2 cents 

[boater]

Vanilla is OK with me. Keep those cards close to the chest and not let opponents see what we'll do in the playoffs.

[Drew21PA]

Obvious to most it was not going to be a massive game plan - after the first series had a feeling it wasn’t going to be mind blowing

 

they turned it on like I thought they would to get the lead and keep it 

[MikePJ76]

Third downs are where they have fallen off this year.  The redzone too.

 

 

[Casey D]

15 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Just a few thoughts. The offensive game plan was as vanilla as it gets. I actually wonder after re watching it, if they had any kind of plan, or if they were just calling random plays. Shakir had quite a few drops, which again kinda makes me wonder how much they really practiced some of these plays 

 

Defense was actually better than my initial reaction watching live yesterday. 1st and 2nd down defense was actually pretty good. 3rd down defense was bad. HORRIBLE. They really need to figure 3rd down out. Ya Ya, I know they had starters out, but this has been the case all season, backups or not. I really think after re watching, and after Allen's post game comments, this team is really playing vanilla. It was very obvious watching a second time. Anyways just my 2 cents 

A lot of the key plays on Pats drives were PI calls.  I did not total them, but there were a ton, especially on the last TD drive and a key PI in first drive against Spector.  Last drive Pats misfired repeatedly only to have PI call save the drive over and over.

[Coach Tuesday]

3rd down defense has been a problem for a whole stretch of games now.  They need to get it sorted ASAP.

[Matt_In_NH]

I think Shakir had a couple of tough catches, one in the end zone and other on the over the head ball, it was not over a should it was like directly over his head.  THe level of difficultly on those was quite high.  THe screen was a flub by Allen, the ball slipped out of his hands.  I have no concern for Shakir moving forward.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

3rd down defense has been a problem for a whole stretch of games now.  They need to get it sorted ASAP.

 

The whole season basically. Way worse than every other year or this regime.

[Buffalo4Life01]

6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I think Shakir had a couple of tough catches, one in the end zone and other on the over the head ball, it was not over a should it was like directly over his head.  THe level of difficultly on those was quite high.  THe screen was a flub by Allen, the ball slipped out of his hands.  I have no concern for Shakir moving forward.

Right, but come on man.  He 100% absolutely needs to catch one of the balls from Allen.  Receivers make those catches all the time and he was unable to hall in either of them.  He also was lucky he was able to fall on his own fumble.  I love the guy and he has played really well this year but it's okay to say a player had a bad game and he had a really bad game yesterday.  

[mjt328]

D-Line struggles to get pressure, and can't get off blocks against the run.

Linebackers struggle to cover space quickly and tackle.

Cornerbacks/Safeties are out of position, and fail to make plays when the ball is in the air.

 

Just once can we be prepared for a screen pass?  Can we go a game without committing Pass Interference on third down, and instead actually knock the ball away?

 

This defense really does nothing well consistently.  I don't know how anyone believes this will go well in the playoffs.

 

Edited 21 hours ago by mjt328

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Right, but come on man.  He 100% absolutely needs to catch one of the balls from Allen.  Receivers make those catches all the time and he was unable to hall in either of them.  He also was lucky he was able to fall on his own fumble.  I love the guy and he has played really well this year but it's okay to say a player had a bad game and he had a really bad game yesterday.  

he catches that first dime that went through his hands, and that game is heading to a 14-point Bills win. 

[Beast]

The Bills took a crap in the 1st quarter, played OK but not great the rest of the way. Enough to beat the Patriots.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

30 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Third downs are where they have fallen off this year.  The redzone too.

 

 

we are near the bottom in 3rd down defense. 30th in the league.
 

the question I have is what makes a good third down defense. I can’t tell based on how the teams are ranked (eg, KC is not good, yet Miami is?).

 

here are the stats:

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversion-pct

[gjv]

If the Bills defense is what we have seen over the last three games, the Bills are going nowhere in the playoffs without Josh Allen and the offense playing lights-out.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Just a few thoughts. The offensive game plan was as vanilla as it gets. I actually wonder after re watching it, if they had any kind of plan, or if they were just calling random plays. Shakir had quite a few drops, which again kinda makes me wonder how much they really practiced some of these plays 

 

Defense was actually better than my initial reaction watching live yesterday. 1st and 2nd down defense was actually pretty good. 3rd down defense was bad. HORRIBLE. They really need to figure 3rd down out. Ya Ya, I know they had starters out, but this has been the case all season, backups or not. I really think after re watching, and after Allen's post game comments, this team is really playing vanilla. It was very obvious watching a second time. Anyways just my 2 cents 

The 3rd down defense is my #1 concern.  It seems like there is always an answer for the opposing offense.  I’m sure this is a mix of ineffective play calls and individual players not doing their job but it has me nervous for the playoffs.

 

The Bills get turnovers which is great but without turnovers they really struggle to get teams off the field.  

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Just a few thoughts. The offensive game plan was as vanilla as it gets. I actually wonder after re watching it, if they had any kind of plan, or if they were just calling random plays. Shakir had quite a few drops, which again kinda makes me wonder how much they really practiced some of these plays 

 

Defense was actually better than my initial reaction watching live yesterday. 1st and 2nd down defense was actually pretty good. 3rd down defense was bad. HORRIBLE. They really need to figure 3rd down out. Ya Ya, I know they had starters out, but this has been the case all season, backups or not. I really think after re watching, and after Allen's post game comments, this team is really playing vanilla. It was very obvious watching a second time. Anyways just my 2 cents 

The long pass from Allen should have been a catch.  The other two drops were difficult contested catches.  But that fumble… man that was bad.  Overall probably his worst game as a Bill.  
 

 

[JerseyBills]

Defense went heavy with the blitz, which paid off, We basically gave up 14 points for 59 minutes.  

Really liked the mix up of dropping back and the blitz to confuse the rookie. 

 

Offense was good running but horrible passing,  getting a but concerned about Coop but it's a great problem to have , being that Shakir has to be on the field and Coleman and even Hollins are tough to take out, but still weird vibes with Coops snap count. 

 

Ugly day but a W is a W, 12-3 LFGG

[RangerDave]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The whole season basically. Way worse than every other year or this regime.

I don't know.  It seems like 3rd and long has been nerve wracking for this team for a few years.

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

I don't know.  It seems like 3rd and long has been nerve wracking for this team for a few years.

 

That is perception. The statistical reality is the Bills have been a consistently good 3rd down team under this staff. This year they are like 6 percentage points worse than their worst year previously under McD.

[RichRiderBills]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Just a few thoughts. The offensive game plan was as vanilla as it gets. I actually wonder after re watching it, if they had any kind of plan, or if they were just calling random plays. Shakir had quite a few drops, which again kinda makes me wonder how much they really practiced some of these plays 

 

Defense was actually better than my initial reaction watching live yesterday. 1st and 2nd down defense was actually pretty good. 3rd down defense was bad. HORRIBLE. They really need to figure 3rd down out. Ya Ya, I know they had starters out, but this has been the case all season, backups or not. I really think after re watching, and after Allen's post game comments, this team is really playing vanilla. It was very obvious watching a second time. Anyways just my 2 cents 

 

My impression real time of the D was we played solid, just missed a couple rushes and Maye was just on point, and some key throwaways where a rookie usually makes dumber decisions. 

Edited 19 hours ago by RichRiderBills

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Right, but come on man.  He 100% absolutely needs to catch one of the balls from Allen.  Receivers make those catches all the time and he was unable to hall in either of them.  He also was lucky he was able to fall on his own fumble.  I love the guy and he has played really well this year but it's okay to say a player had a bad game and he had a really bad game yesterday.  

Exactly. Can't criticize Diggs for the Chiefs drop and give Shakir a pass