Spencer Brown deserves his own thread.

[TonyBeets]

Those feet for such a big man.  

[gobills404]

20 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I saw this posted in the Brown extension thread …. But I think it deserves another posting … from my mate FB …

 

 

Man I had completely forgotten filthybeast used to be a thing and was so content. Why’d you have to remind me?

[Don Otreply]

19 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

man I wish Filthy Beast would come back. That poster was always good for laughs.

His takes were always over the top, 

[GunnerBill]

Per PFF:

 

Spencer Brown has allowed pressure on only 1.2% of pass plays over the past five weeks, leading all offensive tackles in the league.

 

 

When I say I don't think there is a right tackle in the league other than Penei Sewell I'd swap him for, I mean it. And Sewell isn't really a right tackle. He is like Tristan Wirfs was with the Buccs - a dominating RT who is a franchise LT in waiting. 

Edited January 5 by GunnerBill

[T master]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:43 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Beast.

 

 

 

DAM ! He's just out there throwing other big dudes around like nothin !! 1 Strong man !! Thanks for that ...

Edited January 5 by T master

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Per PFF:

 

Spencer Brown has allowed pressure on only 1.2% of pass plays over the past five weeks, leading all offensive tackles in the league.

 

 

When I say I don't think there is a right tackle in the league other than Penei Sewell I'd swap him for, I mean it. And Sewell isn't really a right tackle. He is like Tristan Wirfs was with the Buccs - a dominating RT who is a franchise LT in waiting. 

I don't remember this being ever discussed before - do you think Brown could possibly move to LT in the future?

 

I don't understand what the difference in requirements/abilities to play both positions is, but I understand some tackles are able to play both and some aren't. So what about Brown?

[GuardianAngel]

8 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I don't remember this being ever discussed before - do you think Brown could possibly move to LT in the future?

 

I don't understand what the difference in requirements/abilities to play both positions is, but I understand some tackles are able to play both and some aren't. So what about Brown?

 

I'm not exact on the specifics either however I personally don't think they'd want to move Brown to LT even if he possibly could. I think they like having an absolute mauler being on the right side because that's Allens favored side to roll towards. If Allen takes off and runs defenders have to get past Brown and tackle Allen which is an incredibly tall order, if Allen passes he has a mountain in front of him to buy time, and I think we even saw that in this last game on one of the touchdown throws. He just brings so much value as a RT I don't think you can move him.

 

Not to mention the chemistry he is likely developing with Torrence. If they can operate in concert and Torrence continues to improve then the right side of the Bills line will be scary for years to come.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I was so wrong about Spencer Brown, He still takes 1-2 of those mind numbingly stupid penalties per game that drive you mad but his pass protection has been superb this season. I'm not really sure how well he's done against the run though but Cook has 15 TD so I'm sure he's doing well there also.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I don't remember this being ever discussed before - do you think Brown could possibly move to LT in the future?

 

I don't understand what the difference in requirements/abilities to play both positions is, but I understand some tackles are able to play both and some aren't. So what about Brown?

 

I think he played there in a game as a rookie. When Dion was out with covid maybe? I think Brown moved to left tackle and Daryl Williams played right.

 

Generally there are two reasons someone can be a good right tackle but not a left tackle:

 

1. Mirroring. You assume everyone is comfortable making the same movements just mirrored at either spot. But that isn't necessarily true. There are some players who just for reasons of natural feel or because of a physical thing (usually back or knee) are more comfortable moving in one direction than the other. I know Spencer has had back issues but given he has done it some before I don't know that there are issues for him in that regard. 

 

2. Foot speed to pass block. For right handed Quarterbacks where the left tackle is the blind side blocker their pass blocking is of greater importance and in particular the footspeed not to be beaten around the edge and to recover if they are. Is Spencer loses a rusher Josh can see it and adjust. If Dion does generally that is a bigger problem. I don't think Spencer lacks for speed although because of his size he doesn't quite have those quick nimble feet that Dion has.

 

If you'd asked this question after last season I'd have said definitely not. Spencer was coming on as a right tackle, had improved his pass blocking but was really your prototypical right tackle road grader. But his pass blocking has taken another step this year and while my preference is leave him on the right side and let him dominate there if Dion went down in a high leverage spot and they didn't want to throw the rookie Grable out as the blindside blocker I wouldn't be adverse to them trying Brown. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he played there in a game as a rookie. When Dion was out with covid maybe? I think Brown moved to left tackle and Daryl Williams played right.

 

Generally there are two reasons someone can be a good right tackle but not a left tackle:

 

1. Mirroring. You assume everyone is comfortable making the same movements just mirrored at either spot. But that isn't necessarily true. There are some players who just for reasons of natural feel or because of a physical thing (usually back or knee) are more comfortable moving in one direction than the other. I know Spencer has had back issues but given he has done it some before I don't know that there are issues for him in that regard. 

 

2. Foot speed to pass block. For right handed Quarterbacks where the left tackle is the blind side blocker their pass blocking is of greater importance and in particular the footspeed not to be beaten around the edge and to recover if they are. Is Spencer loses a rusher Josh can see it and adjust. If Dion does generally that is a bigger problem. I don't think Spencer lacks for speed although because of his size he doesn't quite have those quick nimble feet that Dion has.

 

If you'd asked this question after last season I'd have said definitely not. Spencer was coming on as a right tackle, had improved his pass blocking but was really your prototypical right tackle road grader. But his pass blocking has taken another step this year and while my preference is leave him on the right side and let him dominate there if Dion went down in a high leverage spot and they didn't want to throw the rookie Grable out as the blindside blocker I wouldn't be adverse to them trying Brown. 

As I said at the time of the extension, I was fine with Brown getting paid as long as they thought he had LT potential.

 

not that I necessarily want him over there either but if Dion departs and we have nothing over there, having Brown over a guy who has no business playing LT is about as good of a succession plan as you can get. 
 

The Eagles did that with Peters and Lane Johnson. They gave Johnson big money in part to wait and see what happened with the LT spot. They got lucky that Mailata hit, but they had a backup plan.

[Ayjent]

On 12/24/2024 at 12:40 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah that was just a weird thread decision for a lot of reasons.   Not the least of which is that teams with bad RT play have been winning SB's periodically for years.   You can scheme around issues there.   But also because Brown was so inexperienced and so athletic and his growth had been slowed by an injury the year prior.   The guy played 7 man football in HS,  barely played in college but started at RT as a rookie in the NFL and was decent.  That was impressive, all things considered.   He wasn't a player who should have been on any kind of thin ice with the fans.    But some folks were unnecessarily impatient.

 

I don't disagree about the contract though.   That was a significant risk at a position where you don't need a stud player to succeed.   RT is not really an edge/island position because they typically have a TE to help.   And I thought Grable or even Gouraige might be able to step in next year for pennies on the dollar.    But I've always believed in Spencer Brown and glad they have him.   But there will be things they can't do because of that contract so time will tell if it was the right move.   The extension starts next season.

The way Josh rolls right puts a whole different value on what Brown is capable of athletically and from a protection standpoint.  Looking at it from a generalized standpoint is one thing, but for the particularly QB and talent we have Spencer Brown is a lot more important than looking at RT generically.  

 

What they cant do without that player and his contract is be effective at extending plays as Josh rolls right which is where a lot of magic happens. The video evidence is right there. It was a smart move to sign him snd that cost is worth every penny. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

As I said at the time of the extension, I was fine with Brown getting paid as long as they thought he had LT potential.

 

not that I necessarily want him over there either but if Dion departs and we have nothing over there, having Brown over a guy who has no business playing LT is about as good of a succession plan as you can get. 
 

The Eagles did that with Peters and Lane Johnson. They gave Johnson big money in part to wait and see what happened with the LT spot. They got lucky that Mailata hit, but they had a backup plan.

 

They actually got super lucky because they decided Johnson couldn't and traded UP to draft Andre Dillard in the first round to be their LT. He was a bust but they hit with Mailata the following draft in round 7. It was Howie's version of bust with Elam but hit with Benford. 

 

I ultimately don't think the Bills will need Brown to play LT. I think they have something in Grable. He had as good a pre-season as I have ever seen from a rookie tackle on the Bills. The fact that he beat out RVD for the swing spot and then we have seen VD play and look perfectly serviceable against Indy is more encouragement. We need to see it on the field and hopefully we get a chance today. He is the guy I am most looking forward to. But sure, Brown gives them at least an option if their other plans fail.

[Doc]

13 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I don't remember this being ever discussed before - do you think Brown could possibly move to LT in the future?

 

I don't understand what the difference in requirements/abilities to play both positions is, but I understand some tackles are able to play both and some aren't. So what about Brown?

 

No need.  That will be Grable's position.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They actually got super lucky because they decided Johnson couldn't and traded UP to draft Andre Dillard in the first round to be their LT. He was a bust but they hit with Mailata the following draft in round 7. It was Howie's version of bust with Elam but hit with Benford. 

 

I ultimately don't think the Bills will need Brown to play LT. I think they have something in Grable. He had as good a pre-season as I have ever seen from a rookie tackle on the Bills. The fact that he beat out RVD for the swing spot and then we have seen VD play and look perfectly serviceable against Indy is more encouragement. We need to see it on the field and hopefully we get a chance today. He is the guy I am most looking forward to. But sure, Brown gives them at least an option if their other plans fail.

It’s just good business imo. Dawkins is a threat to fall apart at his age. Going into 2025 or 26 with both bookends shaky is a mistake. Then you end up like the Chiefs who have had terrible OT play for 2 seasons despite throwing money and picks desperately trying to fix it asap. (I realize they are threatened to 3peat but their OT’s are still their worst part of their roster) 

Edited January 5 by FireChans

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They actually got super lucky because they decided Johnson couldn't and traded UP to draft Andre Dillard in the first round to be their LT. He was a bust but they hit with Mailata the following draft in round 7. It was Howie's version of bust with Elam but hit with Benford. 

 

I ultimately don't think the Bills will need Brown to play LT. I think they have something in Grable. He had as good a pre-season as I have ever seen from a rookie tackle on the Bills. The fact that he beat out RVD for the swing spot and then we have seen VD play and look perfectly serviceable against Indy is more encouragement. We need to see it on the field and hopefully we get a chance today. He is the guy I am most looking forward to. But sure, Brown gives them at least an option if their other plans fail.

 

Grable is another example of extra college eligibility giving the league a more finished product.   Spencer Brown signed an extension at 26.   Grable will be 26 next season.

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Grable is another example of extra college eligibility giving the league a more finished product.   Spencer Brown signed an extension at 26.   Grable will be 26 next season.

 

Definitely true. Especially because he was a convert to tackle from tight end.

[billsfan89]

Brown after a promising rookie season in 2021 was one of the worst RT's in the league in 2022. How far he's come that he's a beloved part of the team and everyone is thinking this massive extension he signed in 2024 is suddenly a bargain. 

[DrMaxPower]

I think a side-benefit of how good Spencer has been is his impact on Dawkins.

 

I believe Dion likes to see himself as 'the man' in the OL room. I think Brown's assent has fueled some competitive fire in Dion and he's responded with likely the best season of his career.

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I want to say there was a point this season when the backups came in, he came in at LT.

 

A man his size and gifts, I wouldn’t be shocked to see him at LT someday when Dion starts to slow down a little.