Von Miller

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

The Bills always seem to have pass rushers who get "pressure"... yet fail to get the sack.

 

Their cornerbacks always seem to be in "good coverage"... only to watch receivers make great catches over them anyway.

 

 

Why is everyone acting like we are 3-12? 

 

Pressure screws up plays and can lead to interceptions. Pressure matters, not just sacks. 

[Beast]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Smoot wasn't very good yesterday either. Gave up his gap on a 3rd down and Maye scrambled right through it for a 1st down, also got too wide on Stevenson's TD run and gave him an easy lane.

And Miller pretty much sucked on every play.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Savage said:

I’ve seen a few people on this site that have said that VM dominated yesterday.

 

were we watching different games??

 

he’s slow, can’t turn the edge, and completely dogs it when he is slightly out of the play.

 

the dude is brutal man.

 

he’s bringing absolutely nothing.

 

what did he dominate?

 

running up the field ten yards in a straight line, and being pushed out of the play???

 

and not chasing the play down after that??

 

and just dogging it after that???

 

 

flame away, but he shouldn’t be on the field.

 

he brings nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn’t say that he dominated but also wouldn’t say that he brings nothing.

 

Von has had a few good rushes yesterday and over the past few weeks. He seems to have those Jerry Hughes pass rushes where he pressure the QB but can never get home.  Still, he’s much better than last season and outside of Rosseau, Von is probably the second best edge rusher on the team.  

 

Sadly this version of Von is a far cry from the one that helped LAR win a Super Bowl.  But he is an elite athlete and I’m hoping he finds a way to step up in the post season.  

[Savage]

2 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

Last couple games, He's shown he can get close to the qb, b ut can't finish. I'm not sure if that's a step in the right direction, or if it's a sign that even when he's at his best, he just can't do it anymore. 

Can get close, but can’t finish??

 

at his best, and can’t do it anymore??

 

sounds like a washed up old man to me…..

 

 

hahahaha!!!

 

 

[ProcessTruster]

2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

I mean he's past his prime.  My expectations for him are pretty low.  He is not the home run hitter on the Defense that he was paid and brought in here to be.  

blew his knee out, that is what changed.  guy was a home run hitter b4 that.  injuries matter.  

[Savage]

38 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I think you have the wrong take on this.  Last season was his recovery from injury.  It was wishful thinking on everyone's part (including maybe the Bills) that he would contribute last season. 

 

Plus, I think it's important to focus on why the Bills acquired him: to be a playmaker in the playoffs.  They were clear about it, and everyone understood that. Yes, we all hoped he'd have 15 sack seasons, and in fact his first season in Buffalo was pretty nice until he was injured.  8 sacks in 11 games.  

 

I have no inside information, and this is just speculation, but I think McDermott, Babich, and Miller have had very clear conversations about the fact that what matters, all that matters, is sacks and pressures in January and February.  I think what we saw yesterday was Miller beginning to ramp up. As I noted, we saw the first spin move on Sunday. I think we'll see more in the next couple of weeks.  We'll see a bull rush or two.  He's bringing all his moves back, putting them on film for opponents to begin to worry about. 

 

I think he's playing himself into Von Miller shape. The Bills haven't needed him this season; they need him when the playoffs start. 

You’re really hanging on to a thread here.

extreme wishful thinking.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Savage

[DrDawkinstein]

He has, at most, 6 more games with the Bills. Hoping he can make a few plays before that ends. Especially toward the end of the run.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I think you have the wrong take on this.  Last season was his recovery from injury.  It was wishful thinking on everyone's part (including maybe the Bills) that he would contribute last season. 

 

Plus, I think it's important to focus on why the Bills acquired him: to be a playmaker in the playoffs.  They were clear about it, and everyone understood that. Yes, we all hoped he'd have 15 sack seasons, and in fact his first season in Buffalo was pretty nice until he was injured.  8 sacks in 11 games.  

 

I have no inside information, and this is just speculation, but I think McDermott, Babich, and Miller have had very clear conversations about the fact that what matters, all that matters, is sacks and pressures in January and February.  I think what we saw yesterday was Miller beginning to ramp up. As I noted, we saw the first spin move on Sunday. I think we'll see more in the next couple of weeks.  We'll see a bull rush or two.  He's bringing all his moves back, putting them on film for opponents to begin to worry about. 

 

I think he's playing himself into Von Miller shape. The Bills haven't needed him this season; they need him when the playoffs start. 

 

I am very sure you will be proven wrong. But we will find out soon enough.

[Savage]

1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I don't know how much more Von can improve but he looks to me like he's the best we have at getting to the qb. I don't think he's earning all the money he's making and I don't think he dominates or will dominate anymore but I hope he can get some qbpressures in the playoffs. I like the pop he's showing as well as the quicks. I've seen him straighten some big dudes up for the last few weeks. Hopefully he will continue in the playoffs and I hope we keep him on the field a little bit more. 

If he’s the best the Bills have, they’re doomed.

 

15 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I wouldn’t say that he dominated but also wouldn’t say that he brings nothing.

 

Von has had a few good rushes yesterday and over the past few weeks. He seems to have those Jerry Hughes pass rushes where he pressure the QB but can never get home.  Still, he’s much better than last season and outside of Rosseau, Von is probably the second best edge rusher on the team.  

 

Sadly this version of Von is a far cry from the one that helped LAR win a Super Bowl.  But he is an elite athlete and I’m hoping he finds a way to step up in the post season.  

Elite???

 

 

at what?

 

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Savage said:

If he’s the best the Bills have, they’re doomed.

 

Elite???

 

 

at what?

 

Go watch Von’s career highlights and tell me he has both been an elite athlete at his position.  
 

Like I said, he’s not at that level anymore but I think he still has the potential to flash occasionally 

[Savage]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

How many different ways has he blasted women?

Hahahaha!!!

 

not funny, but funny.

 

he’s a POS human being, and, a washed up football player.

 

[JohnNord]

15 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He has, at most, 6 more games with the Bills. Hoping he can make a few plays before that ends. Especially toward the end of the run.

Agreed.  I know they signed him to a 6 year-deal but it seems like they were almost always going to exercise the out in his contract after three seasons.  

[Savage]

23 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Why is everyone acting like we are 3-12? 

 

Pressure screws up plays and can lead to interceptions. Pressure matters, not just sacks. 

Some stats are skewed.

 

he’s a non factor 90% of the time, at least.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Isn't "pressures" and QB hurries and hits something that Jerry Hughes was praised for here for so long? I have mentioned he was average for so long only getting a few sacks a year and all I ever got was "but his rush win rate, but his hits and pressures". He very rarely made sacks but everyone loved him. We're you a Jerry truther to? 

 

Yea, this was a prime Jerry Hughes game. Tons of pressures with very little results. 

 

Von Miller had a nice spin move to generate pressure and Maye rushed his pass missing an open WR. Other than that I'd be willing to bet every pressure by Von Miller ended up being a positive play for the Patriots. 

 

Getting a QB pressure on 3rd and 9 just for the QB to pull the ball down and scramble 10 yards for a 1st down is NOT a good play by Von. 

[Savage]

1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

One of the guys who thinks production is just about sacks. Von has been solid. He’s obviously not prime Von Miller but he hasn’t been terrible

 
That’s all that matters. A healthy Von Miller come playoff time. Which is something we haven’t had the last two postseasons. 

How the hell has Von been solid?

 

do you think he’d say he’s been at the very least a decent player?

 

 

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Go watch Von’s career highlights and tell me he has both been an elite athlete at his position.  
 

Like I said, he’s not at that level anymore but I think he still has the potential to flash occasionally 

I couldn’t care less what he’s done before, I’m talking about now.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Savage

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Yea, this was a prime Jerry Hughes game. Tons of pressures with very little results. 

 

Von Miller had a nice spin move to generate pressure and Maye rushed his pass missing an open WR. Other than that I'd be willing to bet every pressure by Von Miller ended up being a positive play for the Patriots. 

 

Getting a QB pressure on 3rd and 9 just for the QB to pull the ball down and scramble 10 yards for a 1st down is NOT a good play by Von. 

Happened in Detroit too

[Savage]

33 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Why is everyone acting like we are 3-12? 

 

Pressure screws up plays and can lead to interceptions. Pressure matters, not just sacks. 

The Bills record isn’t being debated. The fact that VM is toast is.

 

 

[JohnNord]

14 minutes ago, Savage said:

How the hell has Von been solid?

 

do you think he’d say he’s been at the very least a decent player?

 

 

I couldn’t care less what he’s done before, I’m talking about now.

 

 

 

 

[TurfToeJam]

It was driving me nuts watching Von out there.  We'd bring him in on 3rd downs.  And he'd overrun so far behind the QB.  I was surprised their QB didn't take off running cause of the open lane caused by von.  

 

 

Unless I'm reading this wrong, this website shows him as having 12 solo pressures in 11 games.  So about 1 pressure per game average....

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillVo00.htm

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by TurfToeJam

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

 

 

I dont know. Not all pressures are created equally.

 

Feels kinda like the LB who tallies a lot of tackles but theyre all 7 yards downfield.