Von Miller

[msw2112]

I didn't see much from him that the Bills couldn't have gotten from a guy like Kingsley Jonathan.  There are defensive players who can still be very effective into their late 30's, but I'm not sure Von is one of them.  Maybe it's the injuries, maybe it's just father time, maybe both.  As a Bills fan, he's on the roster and getting snaps, so I want him to be the best he can be, but I'm just not sure he's got much left in the tank.

[US Egg]

I just don't care for Miller Lite.

[Savage]

1 minute ago, US Egg said:

I just don't care for Miller Lite.

Nice one!

 

[JohnNord]

50 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont know. Not all pressures are created equally.

 

Feels kinda like the LB who tallies a lot of tackles but theyre all 7 yards downfield.

Yeah I’ll agree with that.  It’s very much like Jerry Hughes.  But the original premise was that Von was completely useless and I’d disagree with this claim. 

10 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

I didn't see much from him that the Bills couldn't have gotten from a guy like Kingsley Jonathan.  There are defensive players who can still be very effective into their late 30's, but I'm not sure Von is one of them.  Maybe it's the injuries, maybe it's just father time, maybe both.  As a Bills fan, he's on the roster and getting snaps, so I want him to be the best he can be, but I'm just not sure he's got much left in the tank.

Have you actually watched Kingsley Jonathan?

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

I think he’s been more of a liability than anything whenever he’s taken the field this season. 
 

A couple good plays against a horrible offense with a rookie QB doesn’t make it move for me. 

 

That’s fine, I just think it’s been a little more than that. 

 

I’m actually eager to see more Javon Solomon, he seems to have that bend that is needed to be really effective. 

[Peace Frog]

6 hours ago, Savage said:

I’ve seen a few people on this site that have said that VM dominated yesterday.

 

were we watching different games??

 

he’s slow, can’t turn the edge, and completely dogs it when he is slightly out of the play.

 

the dude is brutal man.

 

he’s bringing absolutely nothing.

 

what did he dominate?

 

running up the field ten yards in a straight line, and being pushed out of the play???

 

and not chasing the play down after that??

 

and just dogging it after that???

 

 

flame away, but he shouldn’t be on the field.

 

he brings nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Von Millionaire is a pylon.  Change my mind.

[3rdand12]

5 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

Last couple games, He's shown he can get close to the qb, b ut can't finish. I'm not sure if that's a step in the right direction, or if it's a sign that even when he's at his best, he just can't do it anymore. 

If he can move the QB off his spot with a quick rush or inside move he is good enough. I think he can.

Can he  push the edge and get outside and bend under the shoulder like he used too. I don't see it. heck move him to the other side for the outside speed rush

Would not be taking him off the field from his rotation at this point in the season for sure !

[msw2112]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Yeah I’ll agree with that.  It’s very much like Jerry Hughes.  But the original premise was that Von was completely useless and I’d disagree with this claim. 

Have you actually watched Kingsley Jonathan?

 

Yes, of course.  I've seen every snap of every Bills game, including most pre-season games, in the last several years.  Why would I have made that comment otherwise?  When Jonathan has played, he's made a impact on a play or two in a game.  That's about what I've seen out of Miller this season.  Jonathan is not a star player and is not expected to be, but he does make an occasional play.

 

And I would also agree that what we've seen out of Miller lately does remind me of Jerry Hughes in his last couple of seasons with the team.  He seemed to get close a lot, but was not ultimately getting to the QB.

 

As I stated earlier, I'm not a Miller hater.  Notwithstanding the domestic stuff, he's a member of the team that's getting meaningful snaps, so I want him to be successful.  I'm sure there's some bias towards higher expectations based on his name/history and large contract, but trying to be as objective as I can be, having watched every game he's played, I don't think he's making much of an impact this season.  He's a pass-rush specialist and he's not getting to the QB very often, and when he does get near the QB, it's usually too late.  He made a couple of plays earlier in the season, but he has not done a whole lot since returning from suspension.

 

I suppose that given his history (he's undoubtedly a first-ballot Hall of Famer) you keep running him out there hoping he'll get some of the old magic back, whereas a replacement-level guy like Kingsley Jonathan doesn't have any old magic to offer, but in the last few games, I just haven't seen it.

Edited 19 hours ago by msw2112

[TheFunPolice]

Von was brought here for January and hopefully February ball

 

He's never been 100% for the playoffs and him being 100% and making the play when needed is literally the reason he was signed. 

 

I would not use him again until the post season. 

[Turbo44]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Von was brought here for January and hopefully February ball

 

He's never been 100% for the playoffs and him being 100% and making the play when needed is literally the reason he was signed. 

 

I would not use him again until the post season. 

Yep he’s been Mia all year but if he makes that 1 or 2 plays in the playoffs like he did for LA, it’ll all be worth it. LA doesn’t win the SB without him

[transplantbillsfan]

11 hours ago, Savage said:

I’ve seen a few people on this site that have said that VM dominated yesterday.

 

were we watching different games??

 

he’s slow, can’t turn the edge, and completely dogs it when he is slightly out of the play.

 

the dude is brutal man.

 

he’s bringing absolutely nothing.

 

what did he dominate?

 

running up the field ten yards in a straight line, and being pushed out of the play???

 

and not chasing the play down after that??

 

and just dogging it after that???

 

 

flame away, but he shouldn’t be on the field.

 

he brings nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are wrong.

 

Anyone watching that game could tell Von was CONSTANTLY getting quick pressure. 

 

Here's the problem... the quickest pressure can be negated by a QB who can quickly diagnose the D and release the ball.

 

Drake Maye looked like a 10 year vet in that game save a few plays.

 

His average release time was 1.94 seconds. That's INSANE!!!

 

Go watch Joe Marino's All-22 breakdown for further clarification.

 

I repeat...

 

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Wrong

[Real McClappy]

58 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You are wrong.

 

Anyone watching that game could tell Von was CONSTANTLY getting quick pressure. 

 

Here's the problem... the quickest pressure can be negated by a QB who can quickly diagnose the D and release the ball.

 

Drake Maye looked like a 10 year vet in that game save a few plays.

 

His average release time was 1.94 seconds. That's INSANE!!!

 

Go watch Joe Marino's All-22 breakdown for further clarification.

 

I repeat...

 

You

 

Are

 

Wrong

Peeps don't understand football unless you actually played it like I  (prob many others here?) did at LB and safety through HS and College.  Our biggest issue, we keep blaming the DL for the weak ass LB and safety play that can't cover ***** for 2-3 seconds under this weird D play calling. It's a huge issue we want to blame our D line for non stop. This zone ***** is a joke honestly. Teams have film and learned McD's BS at this phase. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Real McClappy

[Freddie's Dead]

Miller is done.  An experiment that went to hell on Thanksgiving in 2022.  Nobody's fault, just really bad luck.

[Savage]

11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

You are wrong.

 

Anyone watching that game could tell Von was CONSTANTLY getting quick pressure. 

 

Here's the problem... the quickest pressure can be negated by a QB who can quickly diagnose the D and release the ball.

 

Drake Maye looked like a 10 year vet in that game save a few plays.

 

His average release time was 1.94 seconds. That's INSANE!!!

 

Go watch Joe Marino's All-22 breakdown for further clarification.

 

I repeat...

 

You

 

Are

 

Wrong

I’ve already asked this, but what is the definition of pressure?

 

Von gets within 5 yards of the QB, whether he is 5 yards to the side, 5 yards behind the QB, etc….

[Magox]

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

He played well Sunday. I think anyone disputing that is wrong. But I think the wider point about what he has left at this stage is still debatable. 

 

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He played well Sunday. I think anyone disputing that is wrong. But I think the wider point about what he has left at this stage is still debatable. 

 

Without question, he’s not the exact same player he was during the Rams postseason play when they won the Superbowl or the same Von that still had the great bend when he first joined the Bills.   But he clearly still has some juice left to make a difference.  He showed that in the KC game, against the Rams, Detroit, against NE (which is 4 games in a row now) and in a few of the first 4 games.   
 

He did start off slow coming back from his suspension but he’s rebounded and he along with Rousseau are our two best edge rushers, that’s not even disputable at this stage.

 

Epenesa is decent and Solomon has promise but I would rather see Von out there than those two at this particular stage.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He played well Sunday. I think anyone disputing that is wrong. But I think the wider point about what he has left at this stage is still debatable. 

 

 

I agree...and I think the Bills have been careful throughout the year to ensure he is healthy and has some juice in the tank for the playoffs.

 

Would not be surprised to see him make plays in key situations in the playoffs.

 

Players with that type of ability seem to be able to channel it when they need it most even if they can't do it every play anymore.

Edited 2 hours ago by Big Turk

[T master]

On 12/23/2024 at 11:10 AM, BuffaloBillyG said:

I wouldn't say he was dominant. He did have a few nice pass rushes that I saw. Maye was getting the ball out pretty quick under pressure yesterday. 

 

He did bite on a couple outside runs I saw as well.

 

As far as "dogging it" sometimes guys get gassed and sometimes it can be so something they do on purpose to get the OL used to them at one speed before coming full throttle and catching them off balance.

 

I've actually heard Von him self say in interviews that he may use a certain pass rush in games to do what you said set a O linemen up then later in the game pull out a totally different approach to catch them off guard and that's when he gets his sacks .

 

He's definitely not the guy he use to be but i saw a few times that he had pressure and that's a good thing .