Von Miller

[Savage]

15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

We get it  already, how many ways/times you going to blast him?

I don’t want to blast him.

 

although,

 

when I see comments from others that he dominated, kinda makes me wonder…

 

 

[Magox]

Let's see, who do I trust more, the casuals on message board TBD or actual pressure rates and professional metrics?   Tough one

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154#latestNewsWidget

 

For those that don't want to click on the link, he rates near the top 10% in DE's and top 7% for PFF pass pressure efficiency.

 

PFF isn't the end all be all, that's for sure but it is a metric and this metric is also backed up by pressure and hurry metrics as well.   Plus, I don't need to see the metrics to know that he has been effective against the pass because I actually see it on the field.

 

The people who are diminishing what he has done are in three different buckets.

 

- They hate his contract and judge him based off the contract size

- Already had entrenched views of him going into the season and are either outright refusing to acknowledge that they were incorrect in characterizing him as "washed" or are stubborn in acknowledging this

- Are casuals, in that they don't see sacks or a strong team defensive performance therefore "Von sucks"

 

He isn't worth the contract that they paid him, he was given a larger than expected contract because Beane wanted to get a difference making DE to chase down Mahomes, unfortunately he had an ACL injury that took away 1 1/2 years of good production.  He played excellent before the injury and was a major factor in defeating the Chiefs in the season a couple years ago, and he played very well against him a couple games ago, so he is doing what we had hoped against the Chiefs, and he is playing well this season as well.  You guys can say all you want that he isn't, it won't change the fact that he is and that is backed up by the eye test, pressure stats relative to other DE's and his PFF ratings.     

Edited Monday at 06:36 PM by Magox

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Savage said:

I’ve seen a few people on this site that have said that VM dominated yesterday.

 

were we watching different games??

 

he’s slow, can’t turn the edge, and completely dogs it when he is slightly out of the play.

 

the dude is brutal man.

 

he’s bringing absolutely nothing.

 

what did he dominate?

 

running up the field ten yards in a straight line, and being pushed out of the play???

 

and not chasing the play down after that??

 

and just dogging it after that???

 

 

flame away, but he shouldn’t be on the field.

 

he brings nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He is the waste of a roster spot

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Exactly. He doesn’t have that explosive lateral movement anymore to finish once he beats the OT. 
 

I don’t think he’s mentally sharp anymore either. He gave up contained on a play and that was something that would never happen to him.

He gave up containment for the same reason. He is way too cautious on that knee. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

31 minutes ago, H2o said:

This is all wrong. They forgot the greatest Bills player and his rating yesterday:

 

Kaiir Elam - HOF (no number can quantify) 

Their rankings have always been dog crap

[Magox]

8 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Really…PFF??  The same stat computation that frequently rates Josh as one of the worst QBs on the league?  Come on dude, you’re better than that.  

 

Just say that you don't know what you are talking about, that would be much easier.

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/josh-allen/46601#weekProjectionsWidget

 

He ranks 3rd in the league this year and he was first in the league last year.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest-graded-quarterbacks-2023-nfl-season

 

Just stop already

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree with your assessment of his play yesterday, but I think we are just seeing him rounding into form. Form. Yesterday was his best game of the season. He had a nice spin move and some good pressures. I think the best is yet to come.

 

Imagine calling a guy washed after he does this and gets a pressure within 1.5 seconds...

 

Edited Monday at 06:49 PM by Big Turk

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Savage said:

I’ve seen a few people on this site that have said that VM dominated yesterday.

 

were we watching different games??

 

he’s slow, can’t turn the edge, and completely dogs it when he is slightly out of the play.

 

the dude is brutal man.

 

he’s bringing absolutely nothing.

 

what did he dominate?

 

running up the field ten yards in a straight line, and being pushed out of the play???

 

and not chasing the play down after that??

 

and just dogging it after that???

 

 

flame away, but he shouldn’t be on the field.

 

he brings nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

100%, hope he’s not here next year and takes more time in the bench in the playoffs.  

[LABILLBACKER]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

Let's see, who do I trust more, the casuals on message board TBD or actual pressure rates and professional metrics?   Tough one

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154#latestNewsWidget

 

For those that don't want to click on the link, he rates near the top 10% in DE's and top 7% for pass pressures.

 

PFF isn't the end all be all, that's for sure but it is a metric and this metric is also backed up by pressure and hurry metrics as well.   Plus, I don't need to see the metrics to know that he has been effective against the pass because I actually see it on the field.

 

The people who are diminishing what he has done are in three different buckets.

 

- They hate his contract and judge him based off the contract size

- Already had entrenched views of him going into the season and are either outright refusing to acknowledge that they were incorrect in characterizing him as "washed" or are stubborn in acknowledging this

- Are casuals, in that they don't see sacks or a strong team defensive performance therefore "Von sucks"

 

He isn't worth the contract that they paid him, he was given a larger than expected contract because Beane wanted to get a difference making DE to chase down Mahomes, unfortunately he had an ACL injury that took away 1 1/2 years of good production.  He played excellent before the injury and was a major factor in defeating the Chiefs in the season a couple years ago, and he played very well against him a couple games ago, so he is doing what we had hoped against the Chiefs, and he is playing well this season as well.  You guys can say all you want that he isn't, it won't change the fact that he is and that is backed up by the eye test, pressure stats relative to other DE's and his PFF ratings.     

PFF is a joke.  My eyeballs are the only metric I care about.  Qb hits & pressures last I checked can still result in a completion.  Von's injury devastated this team. And his little 4 game "girlfriend abuse" suspension didn't help.  I'm tired of waiting for players like Milano and Miller to magically become great again in some fairy tale ending. 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said:

I mean he's past his prime.  My expectations for him are pretty low.  He is not the home run hitter on the Defense that he was paid and brought in here to be.  

He was playing so well before the acl tear. Oh what could have been...

[Magox]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

PFF is a joke.  My eyeballs are the only metric I care about.  Qb hits & pressures last I checked can still result in a completion.  Von's injury devastated this team. And his little 4 game "girlfriend abuse" suspension didn't help.  I'm tired of waiting for players like Milano and Miller to magically become great again in some fairy tale ending. 

 

Well, you're eyeballs apparently are blind.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

PFF is a joke.  My eyeballs are the only metric I care about.  Qb hits & pressures last I checked can still result in a completion.  Von's injury devastated this team. And his little 4 game "girlfriend abuse" suspension didn't help.  I'm tired of waiting for players like Milano and Miller to magically become great again in some fairy tale ending. 

 

Guess your eyeballs missed this play? 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree with your assessment of his play yesterday, but I think we are just seeing him rounding into form. Form. Yesterday was his best game of the season. He had a nice spin move and some good pressures. I think the best is yet to come.

 

It was certainly the best he has moved since week 2. But we have had people saying the return to form is right around the corner for about a season and a half. It's time to show us the baby.

[Kelly to Allen]

53 minutes ago, Savage said:

If VM is destroying everyone in the playoffs, I will probably piss myself.

 

it ain’t happening, I hope it does, but not a chance in hell.

 

 

Than I have to question what you're looking at. 

[Big Turk]

21 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Really…PFF??  The same stat computation that frequently rates Josh as one of the worst QBs on the league?  Come on dude, you’re better than that.  

 

Huh?  Allen is the only QB with multiple 90+ graded seasons in a row...at least get your facts right if you are going to say something.

[Kelly to Allen]

46 minutes ago, H2o said:

This is all wrong. They forgot the greatest Bills player and his rating yesterday:

 

Kaiir Elam - HOF (no number can quantify) 

Elam should be cb2

[Big Turk]

23 minutes ago, Savage said:

And,

 

is that good or bad??

 

if he blew by the tackle, then I’m assuming he was out of the play.

 

 

 

Yes...sure looks like it here...get your eyes checked. The play is at 17:17...not sure why YouTube is being funky and not putting it at the right time even tho it was set properly.

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:58 PM by Big Turk

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I don't know how much more Von can improve but he looks to me like he's the best we have at getting to the qb. I don't think he's earning all the money he's making and I don't think he dominates or will dominate anymore but I hope he can get some qbpressures in the playoffs. I like the pop he's showing as well as the quicks. I've seen him straighten some big dudes up for the last few weeks. Hopefully he will continue in the playoffs and I hope we keep him on the field a little bit more. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

24 minutes ago, Magox said:

Let's see, who do I trust more, the casuals on message board TBD or actual pressure rates and professional metrics?   Tough one

 

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154#latestNewsWidget

 

For those that don't want to click on the link, he rates near the top 10% in DE's and top 7% for PFF pass pressure efficiency.

 

PFF isn't the end all be all, that's for sure but it is a metric and this metric is also backed up by pressure and hurry metrics as well.   Plus, I don't need to see the metrics to know that he has been effective against the pass because I actually see it on the field.

 

The people who are diminishing what he has done are in three different buckets.

 

- They hate his contract and judge him based off the contract size

- Already had entrenched views of him going into the season and are either outright refusing to acknowledge that they were incorrect in characterizing him as "washed" or are stubborn in acknowledging this

- Are casuals, in that they don't see sacks or a strong team defensive performance therefore "Von sucks"

 

He isn't worth the contract that they paid him, he was given a larger than expected contract because Beane wanted to get a difference making DE to chase down Mahomes, unfortunately he had an ACL injury that took away 1 1/2 years of good production.  He played excellent before the injury and was a major factor in defeating the Chiefs in the season a couple years ago, and he played very well against him a couple games ago, so he is doing what we had hoped against the Chiefs, and he is playing well this season as well.  You guys can say all you want that he isn't, it won't change the fact that he is and that is backed up by the eye test, pressure stats relative to other DE's and his PFF ratings.     

Well though out, non-emotional  response.

 

Quite the rarity here.

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Savage said:

Gassed?

 

if he gets gassed playing the amount he does, then another reason he shouldn’t be on the field.

Dude,

 

he blows.

 

quick pressure means nothing.

 

Results are what matters.

 

don’t confuse a minuscule bit of effort with results.

 

not just minuscule effort, but minuscule ability / agility at this point.

 

stick a fork in him, he’s done.

 

 

Isn't "pressures" and QB hurries and hits something that Jerry Hughes was praised for here for so long? I have mentioned he was average for so long only getting a few sacks a year and all I ever got was "but his rush win rate, but his hits and pressures". He very rarely made sacks but everyone loved him. We're you a Jerry truther to?