Will He Reinvent Himself: Coach Sean McDermott

[GoBills808]

23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You know what's brilliant, assuming this team will get it figured out on defense by the playoffs.

 

They rank DEAD LAST since week 8 in EPA defense if you don't include turnovers, 26th if you do.  It's a bad regulars season defense which is a first for McD. Can't imagine what that translates into come postseason. 

I'm struggling to figure out how he got 7th tbh

 

They're 23rd in yards, 11th in PPG allowed, 19th in EPA/play overall

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think thats why the team's blitzing more on 3rd downs.  At the same time, they get turnovers.  Turnovers come from mistakes, and mistakes are more likely to happen when you're forced to run more plays.  

Blue, they blitzed more because we had 5 backups and they weren’t communicating well enough in zone, so Babich had to revert to man coverage, with the help of blitzing.  That’s all.  Guys, we’ll get all these guys back before or in the playoffs.  There’s no reason to panic.  So many are looking like they want to give any reason possible to dislike the winningest coach we’ve had besides Levy in Bills history who oh, btw won the last 5 AFCE championships and that is better than Levy.

 

We had a passing offense Sunday, but ran for 172 yards.

[FireChans]

27 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You know what's brilliant, assuming this team will get it figured out on defense by the playoffs.

 

They rank DEAD LAST since week 8 in EPA defense if you don't include turnovers, 26th if you do.  It's a bad regulars season defense which is a first for McD. Can't imagine what that translates into come postseason. 

Defense can’t fall apart in the playoffs if they fall apart well before the playoffs.

 

McD is playing 4D chess

[JohnNord]

9 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Cool, back to the injury excuse. First time that has shown up. I also suppose Beane is probably the only guy left who Sean could still throw under the bus at this point. 

 

Well, not every defense can be as good as the 1985 Chicago Bears, 2000 Baltimore Ravens… or the 2024 Houston Texans 🤣

[mjt328]

14 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I am not worried about them figuring it out on defense.   I am worried about them scoring more points than the other team.   I've seen enough of the defense this year to know its not about scheme, which is what everyone is crying about here.    They dont have the horses on defense.   Crying about the defense when they are down to a cornerback who shouldnt be active on game day, there 3rd and 5th safety, and 1 linebacker who should be starting in the NFL is stupidity.   Dont even get me started on their pass rushers.   People here think Greg Rousseau is a great NFL player.   Its not the scheme. 

 

The Lions have more than two dozen players on IR.  Mostly on defense.  

They will go much farther in the playoffs than the Bills, and may win the Super Bowl anyway.

 

Our defense was almost 100% healthy three weeks ago against the Rams, and responded with one of the worst performances I've ever seen on that side of the ball.  It hasn't gotten better.  And I would almost argue that 20 points against the Patriots is the worst of all.  

 

There are different philosophies on how to play defense in the NFL.  Some teams prefer an aggressive and attacking style.  Ours was built to be safe, prevent big plays, force long drives and hope the other team makes a mistake (drop, penalty, incomplete) before scoring.  Maybe this kind of just isn't going to work against the top QBs.  And maybe the current personnel we have just aren't capable of success in anything else.  With each passing week, I'm becoming a bigger supporter of a complete overhaul on that side of the ball.  

 

[Mikie2times]

12 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

Well, not every defense can be as good as the 1985 Chicago Bears, 2000 Baltimore Ravens… or the 2024 Houston Texans 🤣

I know you don't view stats as being as valid as your observations but others might see it differently.  

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:32 PM by Mikie2times

[JohnNord]

46 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

The Lions have more than two dozen players on IR.  Mostly on defense.  

They will go much farther in the playoffs than the Bills, and may win the Super Bowl anyway.

 

Our defense was almost 100% healthy three weeks ago against the Rams, and responded with one of the worst performances I've ever seen on that side of the ball.  It hasn't gotten better.  And I would almost argue that 20 points against the Patriots is the worst of all.  

 

There are different philosophies on how to play defense in the NFL.  Some teams prefer an aggressive and attacking style.  Ours was built to be safe, prevent big plays, force long drives and hope the other team makes a mistake (drop, penalty, incomplete) before scoring.  Maybe this kind of just isn't going to work against the top QBs.  And maybe the current personnel we have just aren't capable of success in anything else.  With each passing week, I'm becoming a bigger supporter of a complete overhaul on that side of the ball.  

 

If you’re going to criticize the Bills defense, the game against the Rams was a much worse defensive performance.   
 

The Bills were in complete control of the Lions game and were up 35-14 at the end of the third.   Detroit was aided by a crazy fluke TD and a poorly executed prevent defense.   
 

21 points against the Patriots isn’t that bad.  They average almost 18 per game.  Besides, the greatest defense in the NFL according to some here - the 2024 Houston Texans - also gave up 21 to New England.

Edited Monday at 11:08 PM by JohnNord

[waterglass]

3 hours ago, US Egg said:

OP stated a week ago or so "God doesn't seem to like McDermott", so take it up with him.

 

Thats correct as this guy is all about prayer but the guy upstairs IMO wants nothing to do with him as if he had his back he would go farther in the playoffs.  Coach throws many under the bus as in the Special Teams Coordinator after 13 seconds and then Fraiser after Cincinatti playoff game.  So hows the current Special Teams Coordinator. The guys a F up and should have been released last year. Coach also wanted Tyrod out of here faster than a speeding bullet for his miracle quarterback Nathan Peterman, another man of prayer. So solly he can talk the talk but the divine is not on his side. Coach needs to do a deep soul search and reinvent himself as he seems to have learned sheet after 7 years. 

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

I know these stats aren't as good as your impression of performance based on a game but they might have to do

 

 

 

Straw man argument… when did I say that Buffalo had a better defense than Houston?  I did say that they performed better against Kansas City than Houston did, which is tough for even you to dispute.  

 

I just said Houston’s defense is overrated and I saw that overrated defense get pushed around by Kansas City and you’ll see them get pushed around by Baltimore on Christmas Day.  
 

Sorry but the 1985 Chicago Bears…they are not. 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Straw man argument… when did I say that Buffalo had a better defense than Houston?  I did say that they performed better against Kansas City than Houston did, which is tough for even you to dispute.  

 

I just said Houston’s defense is overrated and I saw that overrated defense get pushed around by Kansas City and you’ll see them get pushed around by Baltimore on Christmas Day.  
 

Sorry but the 1985 Chicago Bears…they are not. 

Lets recap this sport.

 

You said the Houston defense is over rated. I assume based on one game (the Chiefs games) maybe more. Who knows. Lets give you more credit than that.

 

I posted examples of of 4 games this year where the Houston defense made some really good QB's look very bad. You proceeded to discredit all 4 games because somehow they don't count in your interesting way of looking at the world. Injuries or they didn't win the game or something. Who knows at this point. 

 

Then you started insinuating that people called Houston the 85 Bears. I assume you were trying to distract or shift the goal post because you don't have anything outside of your opinions to back up your way of thinking.  So while they did have two of the lowest completion rate games since 1970 (one against our boy, but like you said that doesn't count) I don't think they're the 85 Bears.

 

I also really don't need to compare them to our trash defense. The stats they have speak for themselves unless they're speaking to you at which point it enters a world where the only logical things are the things your mind believes.     

[Governor]

5 hours ago, peterpan said:

Here’s what really think - the NFL has passed McDermotts scheme by.  The Tampa 2 was cutting edge and the cats meow 25 years ago.  The Wishbone was unstoppable 60 years ago.  But players adjust and schemes need to change.  McD needs to change.

 

bring in Jim Schwartz or Vrabel 

I think the game has passed by “what McD sees as a perfect defense” if that makes sense.

 

A lot of those great d-linemen on his other teams were already there when he got there so Buffalo is the first time we have seen his defense the way he wants it, and it sucks ass.

[GASabresIUFan]

Oh look another our defense is terrible thread.  Snooze.  

 

The Bills are 11th in points allowed.  The Bills are second in points scored and 2nd in differential.  KC and Det are 27-1 against the rest of the NFL and 0-2 against the Bills.  The Bills, when healthy on D, have kept 5 teams to 10 points.  The Houston D was brought up earlier and they have allowed only 4 less points than the Bills.  

 

The Bills D will be healthy for the playoffs and I suspect the result will be significantly better than the last few weeks.  Relax people.

 

One other note, the Bills have blitzed more than ever in recent weeks and had some very positive results from it against Det and NE.  They also have utilized more 3 LB sets since Milano returned.  These facts show that McD and Babich are more willing than ever to change things up and give a different look.  You might say McD is reinventing his D scheme right before our eyes.  

Edited Monday at 10:47 PM by GASabresIUFan

[Governor]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Bills have the 7th ranked defense in the NFL with dog crap talent at almost every position and McDermott needs to change his scheme.    Brilliant.

Don’t you hate when Beane gets off his leash and fills the entire building with Great Value defensive players. McD must be a mastermind to work with that crap! 
 

Imagine how good the defense would be if McD picked the players.

Edited Monday at 11:03 PM by Governor

[JohnNord]

19 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Lets recap this sport.

 

You said the Houston defense is over rated. I assume based on one game (the Chiefs games) maybe more. Who knows. Lets give you more credit than that.

 

I posted examples of of 4 games this year where the Houston defense made some really good QB's look very bad. You proceeded to discredit all 4 games because somehow they don't count in your interesting way of looking at the world. Injuries or they didn't win the game or something. Who knows at this point. 

 

Then you started insinuating that people called Houston the 85 Bears. I assume you were trying to distract or shift the goal post because you don't have anything outside of your opinions to back up your way of thinking.  So while they did have two of the lowest completion rate games since 1970 (one against our boy, but like you said that doesn't count) I don't think they're the 85 Bears.

 

I also really don't need to compare them to our trash defense. The stats they have speak for themselves unless they're speaking to you at which point it enters a world where the only logical things are the things your mind believes.     

Cousin, it all started by me saying Houston is overrated and you were signing their praises.  
 

To do this, you added the statistics from 4 games (1 of which was a major outlier) to create the impression that the defense was better than they are.  
 

Also my impressions were not based off one game.  I gave you multiple examples of poor performances by Houston’s defense including KC, TEN, Minnesota etc.

 

The 1985 Bears?  LOL you got me.  That was an exaggeration since I feel you are really overrating their defense.  

18 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Oh look another our defense is terrible thread.  Snooze.  

 

The Bills are 11th in points allowed.  The Bills are second in points scored and 2nd in differential.  KC and Det are 27-1 against the rest of the NFL and 0-2 against the Bills.  The Bills, when healthy on D, have kept 5 teams to 10 points.  The Houston D was brought up earlier and they have allowed only 4 less points than the Bills.  

 

The Bills D will be healthy for the playoffs and I suspect the result will be significantly better than the last few weeks.  Relax people.

 

One other note, the Bills have blitzed more than ever in recent weeks and had some very positive results from it against Det and NE.  They also have utilized more 3 LB sets since Milano returned.  These facts show that McD and Babich are more willing than ever to change things up and give a different look.  You might say McD is reinventing his D scheme right before our eyes.  

Was the blitzing against NE effective?  It seemed like the blitzed got block and Maye found a connection.  
 

But you’re right about McDermott/Babich trying different things.  Though I know they would prefer a rush with 4… but that’s not happening 

[BillsFan130]

6 hours ago, peterpan said:

Here’s what really think - the NFL has passed McDermotts scheme by.  The Tampa 2 was cutting edge and the cats meow 25 years ago.  The Wishbone was unstoppable 60 years ago.  But players adjust and schemes need to change.  McD needs to change.

 

bring in Jim Schwartz or Vrabel 

I don't like the bend but don't break personally, but it can work if you have a dominant front 4. Which the Bills don't have

 

But I do agree- I would much rather an aggresive game plan and force the issue, opposed to waiting for teams to make a mistake

[JohnNord]

29 minutes ago, Governor said:

I think the game has passed by “what McD sees as a perfect defense” if that makes sense.

 

A lot of those great d-linemen on his other teams were already there when he got there so Buffalo is the first time we have seen his defense the way he wants it, and it sucks ass.

The biggest criticism of the Bills administration is “wasting the prime of Josh Allen.”

 

Want to see about 2-3 more wasted years?  Completely switch defensive schemes, when the majority of your players work best in their current scheme.  It takes a few years to do this effectively.

 

The better solution is upgrading the front 7

Edited Monday at 11:12 PM by JohnNord

[amprov56]

45 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I know you don't view stats as being as valid as your observations but others might see it differently.  

 

 

 

12 - 3 and a perrenial playoff team, that's what I view! 

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The biggest criticism of the Bills administration is “wasting the prime of Josh Allen.”

 

Want to see about 2-3 more wasted years?  Completely switch defensive schemes, when the majority of your players work best in their current scheme.  It takes a few years to do this effectively.

 

The better solution is upgrading the front 7

I think if we fired him this year after our exit, and went defensive heavy in the next draft, we’d be halfway there with a new scheme, or at least be as good as we are now (which is pretty bad) in 1 season. 2 drafts and we’d be ready to roll.

 

The other option is to give him an ultimatum. Hire a DC with new scheme and hands off the defense entirely, or you’re fired.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I am not worried about them figuring it out on defense.   I am worried about them scoring more points than the other team.   I've seen enough of the defense this year to know its not about scheme, which is what everyone is crying about here.    They dont have the horses on defense.   Crying about the defense when they are down to a cornerback who shouldnt be active on game day, there 3rd and 5th safety, and 1 linebacker who should be starting in the NFL is stupidity.   Dont even get me started on their pass rushers.   People here think Greg Rousseau is a great NFL player.   Its not the scheme. 

It is both. Scheme/poor play calling and lack of talent.

 

When you give up back to back 40 point games and let almost 400 yards against NE the following week, it basically shows that the scheme/DC isn't good enough and the talent is also not good enough. Very rare it is one or the other

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:37 PM by BillsFan130

[L Ron Burgundy]

4 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Have you seen the Bengals play defense. Allen is more than capable of winning a shootout over Burrow. For me I want the Bills to have no part of Baltimore. I think the Ravens are the team that would give the Bills the most trouble.

I'd be worried our offense will look like they did this Sunday and our D would get no stops.  None.