The Bills are arguably the least injured team in the NFL right now

[GoBills808]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Spector played the really bad 40% of the snaps, got injured, and forced Williams in who it seems like we were hoping to bubble wrap for the playoffs and the game immediately turned around in our favor 

 

 

yes when teams' starters are injured backups are required to play

 

we are not unique in this arrangement

[mannc]

The low number of offensive injuries the past two years is crazy.  I think offensive line starters have missed a total of around 3 games in the past two seasons…simply unheard of.

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Idk who we is haha I definitely talk about those things.  The lions bills game was a shootout where both teams were targeting guys that shouldn’t be on an nfl football field.  my entire point is the offense has to carry you when you’ve got easily exploitable guys on defense forced onto the field and the lions are a perfect example of that.  
 

Hell the 13 seconds game was the same..mathieu went down and we straight up abused Daniel Sorensen and the chiefs picked on Dane Jackson a ton.

 

i think you’re mixing up the total number of injuries with impact.  We can be missing more guys but if the injuries fell a little differently we’d be in better shape than we are now. Safety and linebacker are the two spots we absolutely could not afford multiple injuries and that’s exactly where virtually all the injuries went. If you’re arguing we don’t actually have many total injuries it makes it even more unlucky not less.  If there were more injuries spread out among multiple position groups we’d be much better off 

 

 

I'm arguing that this topic is far too nuanced for myself or you or any casual fan to form an opinion that is valid. Yet many on here use injuries to justify just about everything that occurs to this team.  

 

EX: The Bills often take on high rates of injuries to one position group. Ok, sure, that seems to be the case but what context do you have? You can't possibly know the average rate of injury that occurs across singular positional groupings. Even if you did, how could you determine the expected impact vs the actual impact so you could actually weight the impact correctly?

 

It's a great angle for people to debate from because it can't be proved or disproved. What evidence that does exist isn't very supportive as far as this team being very unlucky with injuries as a whole. I still don't have an opinion, mine is more that those who use this stuff to form opinions are largely full of it.  

  

Edited 9 hours ago by Mikie2times

[BRH]

33 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I literally don’t think it’s humanly possible to overestimate how bad baylon Spector is and how often teams single him out when he’s on the field lol like that’s a nice canned response for the vast majority of injuries for any given team but it doesn’t fit here at all imo. 

 

I watch a lot of football and I have not seen a player get significant snaps that’s anywhere near as bad as him.
 

 A lot of this seems like we’re doing it proactively because we know we can’t afford any linebacker or safety injuries for the playoffs..  there’s just no way he’d be playing otherwise.  I’m sure rapp would be out there if it was playoff time too 

 

I absolutely agree.  McD remembers last year when they had to pull a retired guy off the couch to start at LB against the Chiefs.  It's the single biggest reason we lost that game.  TB43 runs the D so he's not coming out, but if Milano can't be counted on to stay healthy - and he really can't - then Dorian Williams absolutely HAS to be healthy for the playoffs.  I think McD was hoping he could keep Williams off the field and give Spector some more experience in case another LB gets hurt... but he had to reevaluate that approach pretty quickly.

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Andreesson played exactly one snap on defense

Spector played less than 40% defensive snaps

 

That's because he injured his calf and thank goodness because it forced Williams back in the game...Spector has been getting abused on D when he is in there, especially in the pass game.  He played pretty well at times last year but holy hell...that dude does not need to see the field again.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, BRH said:

 

I absolutely agree.  McD remembers last year when they had to pull a retired guy off the couch to start at LB against the Chiefs.  It's the single biggest reason we lost that game.  TB43 runs the D so he's not coming out, but if Milano can't be counted on to stay healthy - and he really can't - then Dorian Williams absolutely HAS to be healthy for the playoffs.  I think McD was hoping he could keep Williams off the field and give Spector some more experience in case another LB gets hurt... but he had to reevaluate that approach pretty quickly.

I'd rest Spector until the playoffs for emergency depth and sign Morrow to the ps. Elevate Morrow these next two weeks to continue to have linebacker depth. 

 

I'm hoping we blow out the jets in the first half and get the starters off the field 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Sure about that?

 

What is this cummulative injuries for the year?    Fairly meaningless imo.  It doesnt mean much if you have returned a lot of players from injury which the Bills have.

[PayDaBill$]

1 hour ago, 17islongenough said:

Please delete this thread

Yeah it’s definitely a KOD type thread/thought.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

What is this cummulative injuries for the year?    Fairly meaningless imo.  It doesnt mean much if you have returned a lot of players from injury which the Bills have.

It's games missed on the year. Which certainly isn't perfect, but I don't think people really understand what some of these teams are dealing with. No context here, just bad luck for us. 

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

That's because he injured his calf and thank goodness because it forced Williams back in the game...Spector has been getting abused on D when he is in there, especially in the pass game.  He played pretty well at times last year but holy hell...that dude does not need to see the field again.

Spector has played well at times this year too

 

he's a backup. he's not as good as the guy in front of him and he's not the worst player in the league. there are lots of guys getting burn in the league every week just like him

[HOUSE]

In a meaningtless game the Bills sure took some unnecessary gambles

Makes no difference who Buffalo plays. I am not looking for an easy path. 

[finn]

52 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I literally don’t think it’s humanly possible to overestimate how bad baylon Spector is and how often teams single him out when he’s on the field lol like that’s a nice canned response for the vast majority of injuries for any given team but it doesn’t fit here at all imo. 

 

I watch a lot of football and I have not seen a player get significant snaps that’s anywhere near as bad as him.
 

 A lot of this seems like we’re doing it proactively because we know we can’t afford any linebacker or safety injuries for the playoffs..  there’s just no way he’d be playing otherwise.  I’m sure rapp would be out there if it was playoff time too 

With arguably the weakest defensive rosters of all the playoff teams, we need to be one of the least injured. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I'm arguing that this topic is far too nuanced for myself or you or any casual fan to form an opinion that is valid. Yet many on here use injuries to justify just about everything that occurs to this team.  

 

EX: The Bills often take on high rates of injuries to one position group. Ok, sure, that seems to be the case but what context do you have? You can't possibly know the average rate of injury that occurs across singular positional groupings. Even if you did, how could you determine the expected impact vs the actual impact so you could actually weight the impact correctly?

 

It's a great angle for people to debate from because it can't be proved or disproved. What evidence that does exist isn't very supportive as far as this team being very unlucky with injuries as a whole. I still don't have an opinion, mine is more that those who use this stuff are full of it. 

  

I completely agree it’s far too nuanced for a bar graph vaguely labeled ‘total injuries’ to prove anything haha that’s kind of exactly what I was saying too 😂  I’m all for agreeing to disagree 

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I completely agree it’s far too nuanced for a bar graph vaguely labeled ‘total injuries’ to prove anything haha that’s kind of exactly what I was saying too 😂  I’m all for agreeing to disagree 

I mean, we have total games missed, total games lost to IR, what is your stat going to be? Total starters lost by positional group? If that's it and you want to take the time to run the data then maybe you can claim you have a rational take. As it stands its just based on feel feels. 

[Mr. WEO]

Detroit is decimated.

[GASabresIUFan]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

 

How many of these players are starters?  How many were out in training camp? Also this guy can’t count. Rapp, Douglas, Hamlin and Milano are 4 players not 3.  Also all are starters (35% of the defense).  Tht doesn’t include Samuel who was inactive do to injury and Grable, also inactive, after just returning from IR.

 

Just saying a team is the “healthiest,” is meaningless without proper context.

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

How many of these players are starters?  How many were out in training camp? Also this guy can’t count. Rapp, Douglas, Hamlin and Milano are 4 players not 3.  Also all are starters (35% of the defense).  Tht doesn’t include Samuel who was inactive do to injury and Grable, also inactive, after just returning from IR.

 

Just saying a team is the “healthiest,” is meaningless without proper context.

But the difference is staggering. The Bills have just 3 players in this category, and 20 teams have 10 or more (and 25 eight or more).

[RoyBatty is alive]

57 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

It's games missed on the year. Which certainly isn't perfect, but I don't think people really understand what some of these teams are dealing with. No context here, just bad luck for us. 

What do you mean "bad luck for us"?  Fewer injuries in my book is the opposite of bad luck.

[Mikie2times]

15 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

How many of these players are starters?  How many were out in training camp? Also this guy can’t count. Rapp, Douglas, Hamlin and Milano are 4 players not 3.  Also all are starters (35% of the defense).  Tht doesn’t include Samuel who was inactive do to injury and Grable, also inactive, after just returning from IR.

 

Just saying a team is the “healthiest,” is meaningless without proper context.

So what context are you using with other teams?

 

If I traveled to Florida in the summer and it was 80 degrees and I said, wow, it's hot outside! Well, maybe it is actually hot outside. But if the average temperature is 15 degrees warmer is it really "hot" outside in the scheme of things? As I have pointed out multiple times in this thread, the group pounding the pavement for Buffalo having horrific injury luck has no context of what bad injury luck means. They have no understanding of what is normal or average from the league for anything they're arguing. They think we are unique and they have no idea if that is true or not. Nor do I, I just have enough common sense to say you can't call something more or less without the context of what more or less is. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Mikie2times

[eball]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

If Allen’s throwing hand is injured, then the other 52 guys might as well be out. 

 

True, but thankfully that's not the case.