Bobby Babich Going Forward

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, RunTheBall said:

Glass Spector sucks. He popped his calf again, that’s why Williams was in more. I think they were probably trying to give Williams time to heal the elbow. Spector should never see the field again, I’d rather see Buffalo Joe.

 

If Glass Milano doesn’t come back to form in the next 2 games we should start Williams in the playoffs. 

 

Babitch got schooled by Alex friggin Van Pelt and a bunch of nobodies. Drake Maye looked like a friggin veteran out there, absolutely disgusting.

 

Agree with all of this.  Babich was on his heels all day.  Spector was predictably bad and then predictably hurt his calf yet again - he is done as an NFL player after this year’s tape and the recurring injuries.  He can’t do it.

 

And Dorian should’ve been in for Milano the past two weeks.  It’s time.

[BananaB]

2 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Glass Spector sucks. He popped his calf again, that’s why Williams was in more. I think they were probably trying to give Williams time to heal the elbow. Spector should never see the field again, I’d rather see Buffalo Joe.

 

If Glass Milano doesn’t come back to form in the next 2 games we should start Williams in the playoffs. 

 

Babitch got schooled by Alex friggin Van Pelt and a bunch of nobodies. Drake Maye looked like a friggin veteran out there, absolutely disgusting.

 

Spector should be cut asap

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think this is where we might be in disagreement.

 

Ya they got a TD. But was that cause the bills forced it, or was it because it was a dumb play by New England?

 

Relying on turnovers in the playoffs to get stops is not a recipe to win, as Mahomes, Lamar etc aren't going to make those dumb plays 

 

Rousseau blew the play up. So yes, the Bills forced it.  They also forced two other turnovers.

Edited 9 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[Maine-iac]

I'd also add that my general feeling is that 2 out of the last 3 games the pass rush has been there.  Either they can't get the QB on the ground, the coverage is so soft that the QB gets the ball out for some positive gain or someone in the secondary gets a penalty.  Groot, AJ, and Miller have been moving the QB off his spot but we're not getting any sacks.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Rousseau blew the play up. So yes, the Bills forced it. 

Haha alright Fair enough 

[5ths the charm]

38 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

No.  
 

We were MISSING 4 STARTERS

Against a 3-11 team with a rookie QB

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think this is where we might be in disagreement.

 

Ya they got a TD. But was that cause the bills forced it, or was it because it was a dumb play by New England?

 

Relying on turnovers in the playoffs to get stops is not a recipe to win, as Mahomes, Lamar etc aren't going to make those dumb plays 

The Bills were +3 in the playoffs last year.  This defense gets takeaways.  It's their best attribute.  They don't give up big passing plays and they get Takeaways.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

You are drawing a line on which zone is soft. A subjective description. So let’s just be real. You don’t think the corners play too far off the WRs at the line? It’s a straight forward question 

 

Do I think there are plays where that is an issue? Sure. Do I think it is a philosophical issue with the defense? No. Never have. 

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The Bills were +3 in the playoffs last year.  This defense gets takeaways.  It's their best attribute.  They don't give up big passing plays and they get Takeaways.

Last year, maybe.

 

But against Mahomes/Burrow in 4 total playoff games, I don't believe they have intercepted a pass or caused a fumble

Edited 9 hours ago by BillsFan130

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Do I think there are plays where that is an issue? Sure. Do I think it is a philosophical issue with the defense? No. Never have. 

That’s fine agree to disagree. I have absolutely hated the way we play defense for 5 years now. 2017 I was good. I liked that. That was the year we lost because of the offense. I do not agree with the philosophical setup of McDermott defense. If you like it then to each their own.

[colin]

42 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

5 when Taron went out

6 when 43 went down too.

 

If 42 can play, 54 should sit, that should be clear now

[JMM]

9 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I'd also add that my general feeling is that 2 out of the last 3 games the pass rush has been there.  Either they can't get the QB on the ground, the coverage is so soft that the QB gets the ball out for some positive gain or someone in the secondary gets a penalty.  Groot, AJ, and Miller have been moving the QB off his spot but we're not getting any sacks.

Correct, and THIS, along with poor rush D at times is what is likely going to be our Achilles heel in the playoffs.  Again! We simply do not have a closer. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

That’s fine agree to disagree. I have absolutely hated the way we play defense for 5 years now. 2017 I was good. I liked that. That was the year we lost because of the offense. I do not agree with the philosophical setup of McDermott defense. If you like it then to each their own.

 

And that's fine. But you blame the thing you don't like every time the D gives up a play even when some of the time it very clearly isn't the thing you decry. It's the reflex "that's cos of soft zone!" response to every poor defensive play.

[mjt328]

I'm not that person always screaming to fire Sean McDermott.

But if poor defensive play destroys yet another postseason run for the Bills... even his biggest supporters are going to have a tough time defending him.

 

This franchise is carried by Josh Allen.  He's on his third OC now (and may be looking at a fourth next year).  He's seen the WR room totally overhauled, and has managed to improve through all of it.  It's fair to believe that he would continue to thrive and make us a contender, regardless of who is the Head Coach of this franchise.

 

The only things McDermott can hang his hat on... are having a consistently strong Defense and being able to keep a strong culture in the locker room.  On the negative side, our Special Teams are continually one of the worst in the entire NFL.  And of course the questionable game management decisions that continue to plague us year after year.

 

I've been hopeful that McDermott FINALLY figures out how to get this Defense to perform in the playoffs.  But this year he can't even get us to the postseason before that unit starts crumbling to pieces.  

 

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And that's fine. But you blame the thing you don't like every time the D gives up a play even when some of the time it very clearly isn't the thing you decry. It's the reflex "that's cos of soft zone!" response to every poor defensive play.

I mean the amount of times I have said it personally is prob less than 5x but I hate the defense. I hate almost every single thing about it. I absolutely complain about the rotation and gameday roster management more. I constantly say to put a 3rd LB on the field and come out of nickel. I barely ever complain about the soft zone but I’m not really here to defend it. The defense is absolutely terrible and is keeping us from winning a Super Bowl. Every week I hope if Changes but it doesn’t. We have good player on the defense…it’s not them 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I mean the amount of times I have said it personally is prob less than 5x but I hate the defense. I hate almost every single thing about it. I absolutely complain about the rotation and gameday roster management more. I constantly say to put a 3rd LB on the field and come out of nickel. I barely ever complain about the soft zone but I’m not really here to defend it. The defense is absolutely terrible and is keeping us from winning a Super Bowl. Every week I hope if Changes but it doesn’t. We have good player on the defense…it’s not them 

 

I am anti almost every single one of your views on D.

 

DL rotation is just the modern NFL. All the best teams do it. 

Same with zone defense. It is absolutely the rule not the excpetion to be a zone heavy team in the NFL in 2024.

The Bills best player on D is their nickel corner, and it is a big reason for staying in that package to keep their best player out there. 

And I think the talent IS the issue on D. They have Groot and Ed up front who are talented but have at different points been inconsistent. They have Taron who is great and Bernard who is good. Then they have Benford who is very good. Around those guys they have holes and/or question marks.

 

[BigAl2526]

Well, at least Buffalo won't have to worry about some team with a coaching vacancy poaching Babich away from Buffalo.  

[Green Lightning]

Well, at the end of all these posts you just have to ask yourself,  do I feel good about this D heading into the playoffs?  I sure as Hell don't.  

[Breakout Squad]

41 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I think they just took him off the field because he simply cannot play in this league.

Maybe they were running him on early downs to protect William's injury and they just had to give up on it.

I’ve said previously that Spector is a liability and got poo pooed. He shouldn’t be playing. 

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

The bills defence made some big plays when they needed to today, but...

 

Bobby Babich is a big problem in my opinion.

 

It's not all his fault as the pass rush is still bad. But It almost seems like he is guessing a lot of times and the opposing OC usually is a step ahead.

 

I know it's a bit bold but if I am McDermott, I've seen enough and I'm taking the play calls from him the rest of the year.

 

What do you guys think?

Might be an unpopular opinion so feel free to roast away if you want, but I definitely feel strongly about this

What bodes well for Babich is how the defense has performed in the second half of games.  After multiple slow starts he’s made some changes and found ways to shut down scorings.  You this today as they held NE to 7 points after the half.  
 

I’m not sure that the issue is play calling as much as it is losing battles on the DL.  

 

It starts with the interior DL which has been below average for most of the season and players like AJ Epinesa have been a liability when setting the edge.  
 

The pressure has been inconsistent over the past few weeks, so it forced Babich to dial up pressures leaving the defense vulnerable in coverage when the blitzes don’t get there.  You saw this a lot today.  
 

Overall, I think Babich has been has been pretty solid and that he’s got a lot of room to grow.

 

I think the bigger issue this season is a DL that struggles to win at the line of scrimmage 
 

1 minute ago, Breakout Squad said:

I’ve said previously that Spector is a liability and got poo pooed. He shouldn’t be playing. 

He was the worst player on the defense today.  They can’t put him back out there.