Bobby Babich Going Forward

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

All the resources put into the DL and they still suck.  This is what happens when you have a team full of rotating players vs a handful of studs 

They do not suck.  They are a slightly above average group as a whole that lacks a guy who commands attention making it easier for the other three.

 

couple that with they stay in nickel vs teams who are in 12 personnel.  They essentially allow Oliver to get doubled in that situation and ask the line to defeat 5 or 6 blockers with the front four.

 

they need a front line guy.  A Myles Garret or Dexter Lawrence who can wreck a game by themselves.  
 

the only way to get one is in the draft.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Spector is an absolute liability, but the gap between LBs and corners in the zone aren't being read properly or quickly enough to close that first window.  That's been a problem regardless of who is starting at LB.  It's a communication issue and having multiple people rotating in is not helping with continuity.  

 

They tackled better in the 2nd half, spector's inability to challenge the pass catcher OR tackle him was just brutal in the 1st quarter.  Need a 3rd down? Throw it near that guy.  

Yea I think I called Spector an offensive cheat code in another post 😂. Idk how you can even bring pressure when whoever Spector is near is a free quick completion every time lol might as well blitz him every play 

 

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

They do not suck.  They are a slightly above average group as a whole that lacks a guy who commands attention making it easier for the other three.

 

couple that with they stay in nickel vs teams who are in 12 personnel.  They essentially allow Oliver to get doubled in that situation and ask the line to defeat 5 or 6 blockers with the front four.

 

they need a front line guy.  A Myles Garret or Dexter Lawrence who can wreck a game by themselves.  
 

the only way to get one is in the draft.  

I think DT is the problem personally.  A lot of these DEs that pile up sack numbers (which seem to be all this board cares about when evaluating DE play) are getting help from competent DT play which allows them to clean up.  Idk what happened to Daquan jones but he’s been really bad 

[Roundybout]

33 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

They do not suck.  They are a slightly above average group as a whole that lacks a guy who commands attention making it easier for the other three.

 

couple that with they stay in nickel vs teams who are in 12 personnel.  They essentially allow Oliver to get doubled in that situation and ask the line to defeat 5 or 6 blockers with the front four.

 

they need a front line guy.  A Myles Garret or Dexter Lawrence who can wreck a game by themselves.  
 

the only way to get one is in the draft.  

WGR had a good talk this morning on the lack of a powerhouse DT in the middle. We haven’t spent a high draft pick on one in ages. We need a Dexter Lawrence or a Quinnen Williams. We can’t keep throwing out recycled garbage like Poona Ford or Vernon Butler in the middle. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Not disputing the O sucked too, there IS a coaching issue, has been for a long time.  McD will waste this opportunity again and again and again and again.

Yes, we know how you feel….again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again…..

[MikePJ76]

40 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea I think I called Spector an offensive cheat code in another post 😂. Idk how you can even bring pressure when whoever Spector is near is a free quick completion every time lol might as well blitz him every play 

 

I think DT is the problem personally.  A lot of these DEs that pile up sack numbers (which seem to be all this board cares about when evaluating DE play) are getting help from competent DT play which allows them to clean up.  Idk what happened to Daquan jones but he’s been really bad 

Yea it’s the lack of a presence that demands a double team.  You always want It to be up the middle if possible.

 

Some teams  have those big guys that two gap and take up space allow the linebackers to run free.  
 

the bills need one of these types of players to fall into their lap.  They are too expensive to trade for and the bills with Allen will never be bad enough to get one in the top ten.  We need someone to slip to us or to find a steal in the draft in a late round that develops into one of these types.

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

WGR had a good talk this morning on the lack of a powerhouse DT in the middle. We haven’t spent a high draft pick on one in ages. We need a Dexter Lawrence or a Quinnen Williams. We can’t keep throwing out recycled garbage like Poona Ford or Vernon Butler in the middle. 

Poona Ford is actually having a really nice season

As is Tim Settle fwiw

[Mikie2times]

Since week 8 this defense is the worst in football from an EPA standpoint without turnovers. With turnovers we rank 26th.  

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Since week 8 this defense is the worst in football from an EPA standpoint without turnovers. With turnovers we rank 26th.  

 

 

 

Brutal

[Blackbeard]

15 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

The bills defence made some big plays when they needed to today, but...

 

Bobby Babich is a big problem in my opinion.

I'd THINK we'd want to wait until we see what he does in the playoffs.

 

Not sure he's a "big problem".

[djp14150]

Should this be renamed Fire Babich thread?

[Maine-iac]

36 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Since week 8 this defense is the worst in football from an EPA standpoint without turnovers. With turnovers we rank 26th.  

 

 

 

Silver lining, that has us better against the run than I thought we'd be.

[TheFunPolice]

We need a gigantic, angry man at DT.

 

Im talking they list him at 340 lbs and people smirk because he's pushing 375.

 

Ted Washington or Sam Adams part 2. Like trying to push a pickup truck out of the way in the running game.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

34 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

I'd THINK we'd want to wait until we see what he does in the playoffs.

 

Not sure he's a "big problem".

This season you don't think he's been a big problem so far?

25 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Should this be renamed Fire Babich thread?

Haha. Maybe I'll re name is "demote" Babich thread.

 

Cause yes I do want McDermott to take control of the defence as I've seen enough from Bobby

[JP51]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

This season you don't think he's been a big problem so far?

Yeah I agree, not sure I want to trust my superbowl hopes on lets give him a chance... I think I have seen enough.

[buffaloboyinATL]

15 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

No- My point is the bills were fully healthy against the rams and still let up 44 points

That was a very good offense that was clicking on all cylinders.  Not an excuse, just an observation that we are getting everybody's A game right now.  That was by far the best I have seen the Patriots offense play all season, but luckily, their ceiling wasn't as high as the Rams or Lions.  

 

I am curious to see if the Patriots can play at that level again when we face them in 2 weeks.  I hope not. 

[Maine-iac]

There's just no room for anyone to play other than perfect.  We don't have a guy who erases mistakes on defense.  If you have a Bosa or Watt and your coverage isn't perfect they're still going to bring the QB down a couple times a game or drop a rb in the backfield.  Miller was our swing.  No way of knowing he'd get injured but the fact that we made that swing was and is an admission that we were missing that piece.

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

That was a very good offense that was clicking on all cylinders.  Not an excuse, just an observation that we are getting everybody's A game right now.  That was by far the best I have seen the Patriots offense play all season, but luckily, their ceiling wasn't as high as the Rams or Lions.  

 

I am curious to see if the Patriots can play at that level again when we face them in 2 weeks.  I hope not. 

I hear you but this is what I'll say:

 

Game against the rams the argument was. "Rams were on a heater, there's nothing we could have done as they are unstoppable when they are healthy ". They have had 1 TD in two games since that bills game

 

Then against Detroit the argument was: "Injuries and game script allowed Detroit to score a lot of points". To a certain degree yes, but 42 points given up is horrible in any circumstance and the offence  needed to keep scoring or they would have lost 

 

And now I'm hearing the injury excuse from yesterday from others.

 

We got to stop making excuses for this defence and call a spade a spade -The bills defence has been pathetic the last 3 weeks

Edited yesterday at 05:10 PM by BillsFan130

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Poona Ford is actually having a really nice season

As is Tim Settle fwiw

Sure, and some of that is due to our constant rotation on the line. But then we keep brining back Jordan Phillips and other retreads. 
 

Im encouraged by Carter as a rookie. But I’d still like a first or second rounder at DT. 

[Sestak4ever]

I wonder about the inconsistencies on this defense. One week they crush the opponents running game, the next two weeks they get bashed. One week the pass rush and pressure is awesome, the next it disappears. That tells me the talent is there, so is it preparation or motivation?

[nosejob]

31 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

We need a gigantic, angry man at DT.

 

Im talking they list him at 340 lbs and people smirk because he's pushing 375.

 

Ted Washington or Sam Adams part 2. Like trying to push a pickup truck out of the way in the running game.

 

 

Dexter Lawrence will be on this team next year.