Bobby Babich Going Forward

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Heitz said:

Haven’t we had a turnover in every game but one?  Seems kinda sustainable thus far. 🤷‍♂️

statistically that doesn’t tend to be the case in the nfl though, and that’s across large and long samples. Pass rush ties to bad reads from qbs, tipped balls, strip sacks and generally also an aggressive D that is hitting ball carriers 
 

we could be keying some other metric that has helped… or it could be a little luck mixed in. We’ve seen statistical anomalies regress back plenty of times here. But on the flip side of that we may have an MVP proving all of math wrong… just throwing out the fact that we are a little out of sync between elite turnovers and not elite processes that cause turnovers 

[Don Otreply]

He is extremely slow to adjust when what he is doing isn’t working, this waiting until the half nonsense has to stop, jmho, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Saint Doug]

I don’t think McD should call him into the office and strip him of play calling. By it’s McD’s job to call him into the office and figure out why he’s struggling and what he can do to fix this. This is no different than any other supervisor-employee relationship. 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Saint Doug said:

I don’t think McD should call him into the office and strip him of play calling. By it’s McD’s job to call him into the office and figure out why he’s struggling and what he can do to fix this. This is no different than any other supervisor-employee relationship. 

That's fair. But time is ticking and can't wait for a rookie DC to figure it out too much longer.

 

If Babich can't figure it out very soon, I think it's time for McDermott to take it over 

[Chugga]

I know it’s not realistic but if we are going to win the Super Bowl this team needs to change its defensive philosophy overnight.

 

Their bend but don’t break defense is consistently breaking.  It is GUARANTEED to break against playoff level competition.

 

Teams want to keep Josh Allen cold and off the field.  Long, time consuming drives on the defensive side of the ball are killing the offenses flow, especially when these long drives end up in TDs anyways.

 

They need to change from bend but don’t break and unleash Dorian and Rapp as the human missiles they are and start attacking.  Yes we will give up some long plays and maybe some TDs over the top.  But Josh won’t spend 13 of the 15 first quarter minutes sitting on the bench.

 

If we don’t change it’s going to be death by a million cuts as soon as we play a competent QB in the playoffs.

[Simon]

15 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

He was disruptive for sure, but a bit hard to quantify it as apparently that NE right tackle according to Joe Marino is downright awful

 

Can't argue wiht that; the guy was a total victim tonight.

The only thing I know about him is that he has very unpleasant film room experience waiting for him at work this week.

[vincec]

I’ll bet they’re glad they flexed this to a a 4pm game.

[Einstein]

I’ll just leave this right here.

 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

I’ll just leave this right here.

 

The most hilarious part is somehow they ralied to make that stop on 3rd and 4 hahah.

 

But regardless, still a ridiculous play call

[TFBillsfan]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I’ll just leave this right here.

 

I posted about this in the game day thread. Obvious passing situation and you drop your ONLY player on the DL that is getting pressure back into coverage. Just idiotic!

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

That’s the only way we ever stop anyone. It’s flat out not sustainable. You can’t just rely on take aways. They are too random. I say it every week. If we aren’t turning people over, we aren’t stopping them. That’s not good enough 

Example, today.  Without turnovers, the Pats likely win.  That’s not good vs one of the worst teams in the league.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think this is where we might be in disagreement.

 

Ya they got a TD. But was that cause the bills forced it, or was it because it was a dumb play by New England?

 

Relying on turnovers in the playoffs to get stops is not a recipe to win, as Mahomes, Lamar etc aren't going to make those dumb plays 

The Chiefs have capitalized on lots of dumb plays by opponents this year. If you even occasionally watch KC games you know this. It’s said that they “ find ways to win”. Now, the Chiefs D is better than Buffalo’s but KCs ways of winning appear unsustainable too. 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

The Chiefs have capitalized on lots of dumb plays by opponents this year. If you even occasionally watch KC games you know this. It’s said that they “ find ways to win”. Now, the Chiefs D is better than Buffalo’s but KCs ways of winning appear unsustainable too. 

Fair, but chiefs defence also makes a lot of stops opposed to Just relying on turnovers.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Fair, but chiefs defence also makes a lot of stops opposed to Just relying on turnovers.

They do, but they also don’t tend to score a ton of points on offense. The Bills definitely live - and die - by a bit of a formula. Get a lead on offense and force the opponent to pass a lot. They depend on Josh Allen and his almost routine heroics to win. This isn’t going to change come playoff time. 

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

You’re right I thought we were down Rapp in that game - I knew Milano was still in pre season mode.  
 

 

Stafford just played a perfect game.  
 

Reality is we absolutely do not have a “closer” on the D line is an issue.  

 

hope we don’t overpay Greg R. We need a WR and back to the draft again for DL help

[Brand J]

DL and secondary are not working well together. There were a few times where the DL got pressure - FAST - but the CBs were playing 7-8 yards off the receiver so it was an easy pitch and catch. I need the secondary to he more handsy, more physical. I can’t stand seeing underneath completion after underneath completion on a march right down the field. And it doesn’t matter that 3/4 starters were out. Douglas has had a rough year, Hamlin is a JAG, only Rapp has been above average. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said:

They are blitzing more but still not getting home. 

 

It feels like the blitzes have no cohesive plan attached to them. I'll use a successful KC blitz as a counterexample:

 

The video is more about Stroud failing to adjust the protection, but the blitz itself is very well planned and everything on the front and back end is designed to make sure it's successful. The blitzing CB is right at the line so no need to work through a bunch of trash and give the QB time to adjust post-snap. There's a simultaneous simulated pressure on the other side to draw Stroud's attention. Meanwhile the safety is capping the blitzing CB's man and immediately getting in position to come down and cover him. So it is not just Spagnuolo throwing random blitzers from random depths and crossing his fingers they get home. Every aspect of the rush plan and the coverage works in tandem. And this isn't a one-off, Spagnuolo is famous for these diabolical blitzes especially on critical downs in critical moments of the game.

 

I just don't see that sort of thing frequently enough from Babich. Quite the opposite. I see a lot of predictable blitzes where the QBs have easy answers and plenty of time to find them. Any decent OL is easily able to diagnose and pick them up without trouble. So many times I see a blitz where the filling coverage player is playing soft/off which means there is 100% going to be a wide open pass catcher in that gap... You have to accept if you are blitzing there is a chance you will give up a big play, that is the trade off. You can't blitz and also protect against the big play because then you are just gifting the offense a free 7-8 yards with YAC potential. Don't just dip your toes in, do a cannonball. Like the double CB blitz we ran against Detroit. There was potential for that play to go horribly wrong for us, but we took the big risk and got the big payoff. I would much rather go that do or die direction than the wishy washy version that reveals a lack of confidence in your own play calling.

 

Edited Monday at 03:59 AM by HappyDays

[Cubanmist]

First off, we have a few asses who demanded to be paid top dollar and those modo’s aren’t producing. IMO, it’s not on Babich rather it’s on the players.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It feels like the blitzes have no cohesive plan attached to them. I'll use a successful KC blitz as a counterexample:

 

The video is more about Stroud failing to adjust the protection, but the blitz itself is very well planned and everything on the front and back end is designed to make sure it's successful. The blitzing CB is right at the line so no need to work through a bunch of trash and give the QB time to adjust post-snap. There's a simultaneous simulated pressure on the other side to draw Stroud's attention. Meanwhile the safety is capping the blitzing CB's man and immediately getting in position to come down and cover him. So it is not just Spagnuolo throwing random blitzers from random depths and crossing his fingers they get home. Every aspect of the rush plan and the coverage works in tandem. And this isn't a one-off, he is famous for these diabolical blitzes especially on critical downs in critical moments of the game.

 

I just don't see that sort of thing frequently enough from Babich. Quite the opposite. I see a lot of predictable blitzes where the QBs have easy answers and plenty of time to find them. Any decent OL is easily able to diagnose and pick them up without trouble. So many times I see a blitz where the filling coverage player is playing soft/off which means there is 100% going to be a wide open pass catcher in that gap... You have to accept if you are blitzing there is a chance you will give up a big play, that is the trade off. You can't blitz and also protect against the big play because then you are just gifting the offense a free 7-8 yards with YAC potential. Don't just dip your toes in, do a cannonball. Like the double CB blitz we ran against Detroit. There was potential for that play to go horribly wrong for us, but we took the big risk and got the big payoff. I would much rather go that do or die direction than the wishy washy version that reveals a lack of confidence in your own play calling.

This is exactly my beef with Babich.

 

its not that he plays "soft zone" every play.

 

Its just that it's so easy to diagnose what the defensive play call is going to be.

He either sits back or just telegraphs blitzes with no disguise looks 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

It's not an X's and O's issue.  It's the jimmy and the joe's.

 

They need to turn over every leaf this offseason to be more physical up front on defense next year.

 

Oh, I think it's primarily an X an O thing.   This isn't a "defend every blade of grass" style of defense.  It's "bend, don't break".  It's "we do what we do, we don't make broad schematic changes for different opponents".    

 

And needing 5-6 DB's to execute what they want means that the DL has more run responsibility than some other defenses......to make up for the lack of LB presence.   Which detracts from the pass rush potential.  And I think it generally makes them a less physical, less violent defense.......which leads to those gashes in the run game etc..  This all makes it appear that the requisite talent just isn't there.

 

I know it won't happen, but if this defense has another playoff meltdown McD really should just bring in a high quality veteran defensive mind to run a different version of this 4-2-5.   8 years in, this defense shouldn't still have the same vulnerabilities/issues.   They should be benefiting from being able to stay in the same system.   That's not what's happening.