12/22/24 GAMEDAY Week 15 Bills vs Patriots* Post GameThread

[Dan]

16 minutes ago, vanhalen26 said:

I was at the game and throughout the game, even before the last drive, the calls felt very unbalanced and one sided.  But I didn’t have the benefit of TV replay so I’m not entirely sure.

 

I’ll watch the broadcast this week to get a better sense of whether most calls were legit or the officials had a bad game.  

On Allen’s interception… what happened to Coleman in the endzone?   On the TV, I just saw him on the ground as the defender is catching the ball.   I assume there was no obvious penalty… no one has talked about it.   But did Coleman slip?

[RichRiderBills]

Man, I don't get hyping the notion it was an in game rivalry. There was just poor play from us and at times excellent from NE. In the end, these are the same mistakes we've seen before. 

 

Could not stop the run....at least for a stretch. We got run over on those first two drives. Same problems. Plus, Maye was insane. He was throwing darts all over and making great heady plays when pressured to ditch the ball and avoid sacks. 

 

Our brand of D struggles against solid QBs. 

 

I know some folks will boast we adjusted, but see Ravens , Texans, and Rams game to say the damage can be done against better teams. 

 

We had poor play calling in this one. Again, this is always what happens when we struggle. Ditched short passes in Lieu of deeper lower percentage plays. It's Brady 's bane. Then in cold WRs had drops or Josh was off.  We seemed affected by cold. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 02:47 PM by RichRiderBills

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

A couple more games like that Allen will be out of the MVP race 

How many games do you think there are left in the season?

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Yeah. I'm also more concerned for the D than I am the O.  

 

Offensively, I thought we were very vanilla. That's fine, we shouldn't need our best stuff or new ideas to beat the Pats.  That would also explain why the Pats had such a strong outting. They didn't see anything that we hadn't put on film a bunch of times.

 

The D has been getting away with weak first halves followed by very strong second halves for most of the season. That I don't know how to explain, except that Babich is a first class defensive mind who doesn't like to be proactive?

While the O wasn't sharp the big problem yesterday was the D's performance in the first half.  Those two long time consuming drives by the Pats never should have happened AT HOME. The reality is that the Pats had almost 250 yards and over 20 minutes of TOP in the first half.  This robbed the O of at least 2 and probably 3 possessions.  Sure the offense was sluggish but that was to be expected after 8 straight games of scoring 30 or more points.

 

 

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

Then in cold WRs had drops or Josh was off.  We seemed affected by cold. 

 

 

 

 

Everyone talks about how the elements give us an advantage at home, but I guarantee if you polled the Bills’ players, they would overwhelmingly prefer to play in a dome or in warm weather.  It certainly didn’t help us last night…

[Gregg]

14 minutes ago, mannc said:

Everyone talks about how the elements give us an advantage at home, but I guarantee if you polled the Bills’ players, they would overwhelmingly prefer to play in a dome or in warm weather.  It certainly didn’t help us last night…

 

Look at what the offense did at Sofi and Detroit. I think the players especially the offense would love to have a dome in Buffalo.

[wjag]

The View from my couch:

 

1. Watching the Pats march down the field on consecutive drives was beyond frustrating. Clearly signaled that it was going to be a long day.

2. I like Drake's game.  He's going to be a problem.  Patriots have their next QB.

3. For as bad as the Pat's OLINE was supposed to be, sacks were hard to come by.

4. Both Cook and Shakir with bad fumbles or great punch outs, depending on your perspective.

5. The last 5 minutes of the that game was pure agony.

6. The Bills receivers had the dropsies yesterday, maybe for the first time this season.

7. Cook doesn't look like he is running and then BAM, he's gone.

8. When Josh ran down field trailing Cook(?), do we think he was looking for a hook and ladder redux?

9. Can't think of a single wow pass Josh threw yesterday.

10. The backward pass that resulted in a TD was the only real poor decision Drake made yesterday. Kudos for Rousseau for blowing up the back that ensured he would not recover the fumble.

11. The Bills were in the QB backfield all game and just kept missing him.

12. Elam.... Sheesh... Might be his worst film day.

13. Resting players and getting back ups some live fire, HOPEFULLY, plays dividends in the playoffs.  Cause it's painful to watch at times.  But you can't learn from the heated benches.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Look at what the offense did at Sofi and Detroit. I think the players especially the offense would love to have a dome in Buffalo.

I don't get what Terry was thinking.  Just put a dome on the damn thing.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

So "interesting" that it makes me wonder how... real the offensive gameplan was, if that makes sense. Felt like we were trying things or putting things on tape that haven't been typical of our offense. The 13 straight passes is a good example. Throwing downfield to Shakir several times when we have barely gotten him involved downfield. Allen was barely running.

 

I come away from this game mostly unconcerned about the offense. I don't think this game uncovered any fundamental problems. A little bit of sloppy play, a little bit of sleepwalking in a somewhat meaningless game, a little bit of an intentionally atypical game plan. The path back to dominance is pretty easy to see. The defense on the other hand I come away concerned about because the issues in this game were more fundamental issues that have shown up over and over again in recent weeks, and I don't see any path to substantial improvement unless the coaching staff completely changes their philosophies overnight.

My only concern is a concern I’ve had all season, and it’s relatively minor because they’ve overall been so successful: Brady’s playcalling between the 40s.  On the outer edge of the red zone, for whatever reason (and to my untrained eye and in my unresearched opinion), his playcalling falters a bit.  They still have this lingering Dorsey-ness of looking for the shot play instead of making sure they get into Bass’s range no matter what. Again I could be wrong - but it seems like they’re more efficient in the actual red zone than they are in the outer red zone, which seems unusual.

Edited Monday at 03:31 PM by Coach Tuesday

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Look at what the offense did at Sofi and Detroit. I think the players especially the offense would love to have a dome in Buffalo.

The pats dbs were legitimately 10 times better than the lions or rams’ idk why people think this is weather lol Gonzalez is a known good player at this point but Jonathan jones played out of his mind 

 

worse weather probably would’ve helped us more 😂. It would’ve likely took a few of those perfect throws maye dropped in away and we were running the ball even better than they were 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

My only concern is a concern I’ve had all season, and it’s relatively minor because they’ve overall been so successful: Brady’s playcalling between the 40s.  On the outer edge of the red zone, for whatever reason (and to my untrained eye and in my unresearched opinion), his playcalling falters a bit.  They still have this lingering Dorsey-ness of looking for the shot play instead of making sure they get into Bass’s range no matter what. Again I could be wrong - but it seems like they’re more efficient in the actual red zone than they are in the outer red zone, which seems unusual.

Brady did not call a good game yesterday.  We should have ran the ball more to make them back off coverages, and we needed more incentive short routes in the passing game.

[CincyBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

The pats dbs were legitimately 10 times better than the lions or rams’ idk why people think this is weather lol Gonzalez is a known good player at this point but Jonathan jones played out of his mind 

 

worse weather probably would’ve helped us more 😂. It would’ve likely took a few of those perfect throws maye dropped in away and we were running the ball even better than they were 

I also think the NE players were playing hard for their coach.  Mayes comments after the game indicated that this is a sore sot for the players and they gave it their best effort.  I doubt we see the same level of intensity from the Jets in support of their interim coach and Rogers.

 

 

[VW82]

Amari Cooper is quietly having very quiet impact and we should quietly decrease his snaps in the postseason and then quietly let him walk in the offseason. 

[Buffalo4Life01]

3 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Amari Cooper is quietly having very quiet impact and we should quietly decrease his snaps in the postseason and then quietly let him walk in the offseason. 

None of the receivers had an impact yesterday.  Very strange game plan and looked like no one wanted to be out there.  The previous game in what was Cooper's no target game, the All-22 shows how the Lions rolled coverages his way all game and that absolutely freed up other guys underneath.  His impact is most certainly being felt and I do expect him to come up with a big game or two in the playoffs.  Just my gut feeling.

Go Bills!!!!

[VW82]

1 minute ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

None of the receivers had an impact yesterday.  Very strange game plan and looked like no one wanted to be out there.  The previous game in what was Cooper's no target game, the All-22 shows how the Lions rolled coverages his way all game and that absolutely freed up other guys underneath.  His impact is most certainly being felt and I do expect him to come up with a big game or two in the playoffs.  Just my gut feeling.

Go Bills!!!!

 

He's still behind Mack Hollins in snaps. This notion that teams are "rolling coverage" his way nonsense. Show me tape of something consistent. Cooper isn't even on the field enough for that to be true.

[Buffalo4Life01]

16 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

He's still behind Mack Hollins in snaps. This notion that teams are "rolling coverage" his way nonsense. Show me tape of something consistent. Cooper isn't even on the field enough for that to be true.

Do you accept film study/review from guys like Dan Orlofsky, Kurt Warner, and Greg Cosell as being truth or do you think with all of their expertise both playing and watching the game that they have no idea what they are talking about?  All 3 said the exact same things about Cooper following the Lions game.  Also, against the Rams he was on the field for 55% of snaps.  46% against the Lions.  That's hardly what I'd call "isn't even on the field enough" lol.  

I see a lot of arm chair QB's dismissing Cooper because he doesn't have good numbers since joining Buffalo but the experts who break down the film see things completely differently.  I'll take their word on something before whatever it is you or I see while watching the tv broadcast of the game.

Go Bills!!!!

Edited Monday at 04:18 PM by Buffalo4Life01

[HappyDays]

45 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

My only concern is a concern I’ve had all season, and it’s relatively minor because they’ve overall been so successful: Brady’s playcalling between the 40s.  On the outer edge of the red zone, for whatever reason (and to my untrained eye and in my unresearched opinion), his playcalling falters a bit.  They still have this lingering Dorsey-ness of looking for the shot play instead of making sure they get into Bass’s range no matter what. Again I could be wrong - but it seems like they’re more efficient in the actual red zone than they are in the outer red zone, which seems unusual.

 

That and also the game revealed what the offense looks like when Allen is intentionally not running around with the Superman cape. I know in the playoffs he will turn it on again so I'm confident we can get back to the 30+ PPG offense we've been since adding Cooper. But they need to continue investing in the WR room and get to a place next season where Allen doesn't need the Superman cape all the time to score 30+ points. We have no on-schedule vertical passing ability with the current personnel, which makes those midfield shot plays a complete waste of time.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

On Allen’s interception… what happened to Coleman in the endzone?   On the TV, I just saw him on the ground as the defender is catching the ball.   I assume there was no obvious penalty… no one has talked about it.   But did Coleman slip?

It was a grossly under thrown pass

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, NewEra said:

It was a grossly under thrown pass

Again am I wrong here or have the Pats baited Allen into that same throw several years in a row here?

[VW82]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

Do you accept film study/review from guys like Dan Orlofsky, Kurt Warner, and Greg Cosell as being truth or do you think with all of their expertise both playing and watching the game that they have no idea what they are talking about?  All 3 said the exact same things about Cooper following the Lions game.  Also, against the Rams he was on the field for 55% of snaps.  38% against the Lions.  That's hardly what I'd call "isn't even on the field enough" lol.  

I see a lot of arm chair QB's dismissing Cooper because he doesn't have good numbers since joining Buffalo but the experts who break down the film see things completely differently.  I'll take their word on something before whatever it is you or I see while watching the tv broadcast of the game.

Go Bills!!!!

I’m dismissing him because he obviously isn’t doing enough to stay on field. It takes Coleman being out for him to even hit 50%. 
 

if Cooper was playing like some world beater drawing extra coverage he’d be out there more often.