CJ Stroud's uncontrollable crying.....

[dma0034]

They are best friends. Tank had a serious injury last year and while I'm sure he'll be back you do have to question how many injuries can he take before he is done?

[dpberr]

11 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Eh. As someone said above, Stroud made a really nice 3rd down throw that his TE should have caught. After that drop, it was done.

 

I don't like his on field body language at ALL, but I'm not going to sweat him for his reaction to the dell injury. 

My commentary was on their head coach, not Stroud the player.  Stroud wasn't available to rally the team, and that's when Ryans should have stepped in.

 

I didn't see Ryans even talk to Stroud.  

[Kelly to Allen]

14 minutes ago, finn said:

Saying this without judgment, but your reaction might say more about you (and our culture) than Stroud. I don't see anything immature or unleaderly about showing grief at your best friend's devastating injury. Would it have been better for him to grimace and shake his head in a manly way and suppress his emotions?

 

I mean, I get it: He was showing vulnerability, which men aren't supposed to display because they're the Protectors. But we're past that, aren't we? Weep away, CJ. As long as you keep producing as QB, you're a team leader. 

 

Full disclosure: My brother in law is 6'3" 250, played DE at Brown. He's a self-described cry baby, weeping at weddings, etc. No one questions his manliness, believe me. I suspect Stroud's teammates see him in the same light. 

 

Men have no choice but to be part of a warrior class in a society. Regardless of the culture. 

 

It's not a choice. It's an existential necessity.

 

If not, that ppl won't exist anymore. 

 

Don't confuse modernity with existential truths... Do we enjoy more comfort now, better technology? Sure. 

 

It doesn't change basic human nature and power dynamics at work. 

 

If you show weakness, human beings will generally take advantage or exploit them. ( It's happening in this thread right now, ppl are asking new questions about Stroud and his leadership etc)....This will always happen among ppl in your group and ppl who are your enemies. 

 

Look at all the discussions about Caleb Williams and his body language last week.... It matters. Go rewatch the sopranos, my favorite show ever. Tony soprano noticed a certain disrespect among his crew. He knew at that point it was impossible to trust him. This aspect of human nature is not something we can move past. It's part of life and the human condition 

 

This is why we love sports and football so much. It's symbolic of life and many lessons can be drawn from football.

 

Strategically and in philosophy. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, finn said:

Full disclosure: My brother in law is 6'3" 250, played DE at Brown. He's a self-described cry baby, weeping at weddings, etc. No one questions his manliness, believe me.

 

There's nothing wrong with that at all.

But I bet he's never done it in the middle of a game.

[Goin Breakdown]

Best friend hurt 

teams chances for success hurt 

idk I guess I don't see why his emotions are such a big deal. It takes a lot for a man to break. There may be more going on that this was the straw for him. Thats my not a tough guy take

[US Egg]

6 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Men have no choice but to be part of a warrior class in a society. Regardless of the culture. 

 

It's not a choice. It's an existential necessity.

 

If not, that ppl won't exist anymore. 

 

Don't confuse modernity with existential truths... Do we enjoy more comfort now, better technology? Sure. 

 

It doesn't change basic human nature and power dynamics work. 

 

If you show weakness, human beings will generally take advantage or exploit them. ( It's happening in this thread right now, ppl are asking new questions about Stroud and his leadership etc)....This will always happen among ppl in your group and ppl who are your enemies. 

 

This is why we love sports and football so much. It's symbolic of life and many lessons can be drawn from football.

 

Strategically and in philosophy 

Now I understand why Sherman burned Atlanta.

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, US Egg said:

Now I understand why Sherman burned Atlanta.

Touche 

[Patrick Duffy]

Well, I for one don't like it those times after a play when he crosses his arms all "arrogant like" 

 

Lol, I don't know, just rubs me the wrong way for some reason,,,,but anyways

[Eastport bills]

He’s to warm and cuddly for this kind of viscous, seek and destroy mission that describes the NFL mindset. I know great leaders are invested in their teammates but after the tragic injury to Dell, Stroud lost his composure and compromised his teammates. Between 2 delay of game penalties and 2 bad picks, Stroud effectively served up the game to KC. Maybe he’ll grow to understand, injuries are really difficult for teammates but the QB must project a calm and an ability to weather the storm.

[DrDawkinstein]

I feel like a dick agreeing with OP, yet here I am agreeing with OP. And others saying he needs to be the glue the team is built on.

30 minutes ago, finn said:

Saying this without judgment, but your reaction might say more about you (and our culture) than Stroud. I don't see anything immature or unleaderly about showing grief at your best friend's devastating injury. Would it have been better for him to grimace and shake his head in a manly way and suppress his emotions?

 

I mean, I get it: He was showing vulnerability, which men aren't supposed to display because they're the Protectors. But we're past that, aren't we? Weep away, CJ. As long as you keep producing as QB, you're a team leader. 

 

Full disclosure: My brother in law is 6'3" 250, played DE at Brown. He's a self-described cry baby, weeping at weddings, etc. No one questions his manliness, believe me. I suspect Stroud's teammates see him in the same light. 

 

I'm a wuss. I cry at weddings, I cry at movies. Heck, Ive even cried at commercials. But those are tears of joy/happiness/pride/love. I do not cry at work when the going gets tough. Especially when we are in the middle of a meeting, let alone a competitive game. Vulnerability is ok, but these guys are being paid a lot of money to not be vulnerable. I dunno. It's a complicated situation. I understand him, but dont think it's a good showing for someone in a leadership position. Being upset is one thing. Being inconsolable in the middle of your job is another.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[djp14150]

13 hours ago, Special K said:

 

 

Are you both telling me that you would be crying like that on National TV in that situation??

 

I think its perfectly normal to be upset...I would be...but his reaction was too much for a grown man who is Captain of his team.

 

 

nobody wants to see something happen like that in a game.  It’s no different than Hamlin, Stungley, thiesman, and other big injuries 

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I feel like a dick agreeing with OP, yet here I am agreeing with OP. And others saying he needs to be the glue the team is built on.

 

I'm a wuss. I cry at weddings, I cry at movies. Heck, Ive even cried at commercials. But those are tears of joy/happiness/pride/love. I do not cry at work when the going gets tough. Especially when we are in the middle of a meeting, let alone a competitive game. Vulnerability is ok, but these guys are being paid a lot of money to not be vulnerable. I dunno. It's a complicated situation. I understand him, but dont think it's a good showing for someone in a leadership position. Being upset is one thing. Being inconsolable in the middle of your job is another.

 

 

Crying in private is different.  

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[djp14150]

6 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

 

I know people who get nauseous when they feel pain and I think that’s odd. It’s almost like people are different and process stress differently. 
 

 

everyone processed stressful events differently which is why I hate it when I hear people talk about these implied generalities that then assumes something that is not true.

[ghostwriter]

I think it’s okay to cry if you lost a loved one or someone dies, but even then as a man you need to hold yourself together. 

[Warcodered]

13 hours ago, Beck Water said:

It appears to be Dell's kneecap sticking out the side, kind of muffled from view by the pants

It looked like it might have been the same injury that Teddy Bridgewater suffered, in a shorts-and-jerseys practice with the Vikings.  Several Vikings teammates reportedly threw up after seeing it.  The Vikes cancelled the rest of practice and sent everyone home, that's how hard it was to look at.

 

Stroud identifies Tank Dell as his "best friend".  

You do You, buddy

Yeah that's completely understandable for him to be emotional about, that's the kind of injury that ***** a career. QB WR drafted in the same year seeing each other as best friends, and both coming along well in the NFL, that's special. Seeing that get derailed that'd really ***** suck, not to mention how much you feel for your boy having something like this happen at such a critical time in his career.

[Not at the table Karlos]

29 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I feel like a dick agreeing with OP, yet here I am agreeing with OP. And others saying he needs to be the glue the team is built on.

 

I'm a wuss. I cry at weddings, I cry at movies. Heck, Ive even cried at commercials. But those are tears of joy/happiness/pride/love. I do not cry at work when the going gets tough. Especially when we are in the middle of a meeting, let alone a competitive game. Vulnerability is ok, but these guys are being paid a lot of money to not be vulnerable. I dunno. It's a complicated situation. I understand him, but dont think it's a good showing for someone in a leadership position. Being upset is one thing. Being inconsolable in the middle of your job is another.

 

 

Curious. Did you ever have your close friends leg do that in the middle of a meeting? 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, klos63 said:

People love to use the word entitled,  like it makes them seem intelligent when they're not. 

What makes him entitled? You don't think he earned his position in life? I'm guessing that he worked pretty hard his entire like to get to be in this position. 

And he's a B word too? I musta missed something. 

 

What makes him entitled is how he ranked himself as a QB among the pantheon of all the rest of the NFL QBs after just one season

[Steptide]

Yall remember Ray lewis before games when they'd interview him? Dude would practically be in tears about the game. Everyone handles things different. 2as stroud a bit over the top? Ya probably, but honestly who cares? 

[Malazan]

Do you think there's a lot of controlled crying going on?

[Nitro]

What is wrong with you?  I will assume that you have never seen a horrific injury up close.  He was obviously upset at seeing a teammate and friend with a severe injury.  There is nothing wrong with him showing emotions.  This is not like my generation where showing feelings was frowned upon.